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Anyone else not excited about the first Tuesday in November?

Nope, I'm excited about the November election.

I'm also pleased with Paul Ryan as the VP selection. At least he has put something on the table. It's time to talk about the issues, and like or not like Ryan's plan, it's a starting point for discussion.
 
Nope, I'm excited about the November election.

I'm also pleased with Paul Ryan as the VP selection. At least he has put something on the table. It's time to talk about the issues, and like or not like Ryan's plan, it's a starting point for discussion.

Since when has it not been the time to talk about the issues? Just because Ryan is now the VP it doesn't mean that we're going to be actually talking about anything significant IMO, it's all just going to be personal attacks, and vague promises for a better tomorrow, from both sides, while the media will just sensationalize everything.

The majority of us don't care enough to want to talk about the issues in any constructive or substantial way.
 
No, it isn't. I am convinced that Obama's second term will send us further away from the ideals that made our country great . . . to trumpet some Yankee Doodle Dandy.

My greatest wish, however, is simply that Dems don't win a majority in both houses. I don't see how that's going to happen and I'm not too worried about it, but heaven help us if they do.

I am convinced that Obama is a socialist, having come to that conclusion after seeing the 2016: Obama's America movie that went into his early life and reminded us who Obama's mentors were. The fact that he won't release his college records emphasizes to me that the classes he took are the real problem...maybe with how he was actually admitted. But the classes? I'm betting heavy on socialism. Because that's where I think his heart lies.

I'm not apathetic, because I'm afraid he will be re-elected with a majority in both houses. Sans that? Unless he uses Executive Orders to grant amnesty or further weaken our democratic process? It'll be business as usual.

Thats the thing. All of this relies on speculation rather than concrete evidence though.

People suspect his classes are X
People suspect that the people in his early life are a huge influence
People suspect he has secret plans.

Where are the concrete facts??
 
Thats the thing. All of this relies on speculation rather than concrete evidence though.

People suspect his classes are X
People suspect that the people in his early life are a huge influence
People suspect he has secret plans.

Where are the concrete facts??

Speculation that in your mind confirms your suspicions is always automatically true :prof
 
I really really liked Newt. But that didn't pan out. Romney may or may not be similar to Obama. But his main difference is he is not a radical trying to fundamentally change America. Him and Ryan simply want to create a environment for job growth.

I think you have that bass-ackward. In this campaign Obama is the traditionalist who mostly wants to tweak the system to keep it on the rails, while Romney/Ryan would radically reduce the federal government and undermine the social safety net. Or at least that's what they SAY would do.
 
Thats the thing. All of this relies on speculation rather than concrete evidence though.

People suspect his classes are X
People suspect that the people in his early life are a huge influence
People suspect he has secret plans.

Where are the concrete facts??

Well, the first posit above could be easily answered if he released his college records. The second and third are evidenced by his actions. The Obama White House has intentionally created an atmosphere of class warfare in this country. "Us" against the 1%." Reverend Wright is enough of a crazy that Obama & Family attending his church for 20 years if troubling. "God DAMN the United States," you remember.

Obama favors progressive taxes on the rich to redistribute income and wealth from winners to losers and to ensure that all pay their fair share. (As he has said: “When you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”)

Obama favors collective responsibility (as defined by the federal government) to protect all from social risks through food stamps, welfare programs, extended unemployment benefits, guaranteed health care, the bailing out of big companies, forcing renegotiation of mortgages, class action law suits, and other measures. (Instead of opportunity and incentive to succeed, no one is allowed to fail).

His off-the-cuff unscripted moment addressing Occupy Wall Street: "You are the reason I ran for office."

If the Party of European Socialists were to rate Obama, he would get a near perfect score. The political views and programs that Obama is prepared to reveal to the public are consistent with those of European socialists. He is clearly a socialist in the European sense of the term.

Is President Obama Truly A Socialist? - Forbes
 
I think we can all agree that Romney is not the perfect candidate for the GOP but to me to say that he is the same as Obama is ridiculous......The thing about Romney is he is electable......Moderates will vote for him...We have to get rid of Oboma.He is destroying this country and I am not joking....I would have loved it to be Santorum but in truth he is not electable as a Conservative.......
 
Well, the first posit above could be easily answered if he released his college records. The second and third are evidenced by his actions. The Obama White House has intentionally created an atmosphere of class warfare in this country. "Us" against the 1%." Reverend Wright is enough of a crazy that Obama & Family attending his church for 20 years if troubling. "God DAMN the United States," you remember.





His off-the-cuff unscripted moment addressing Occupy Wall Street: "You are the reason I ran for office."



Is President Obama Truly A Socialist? - Forbes

So what you're saying is that we have one candidate who's concerned about 99% of the country and another who's concerned about 1% of it?
 
So what you're saying is that we have one candidate who's concerned about 99% of the country and another who's concerned about 1% of it?

What I'm saying is that Obama leans way too far left for me.
 
I'm as excited about election day as I am excited about eating a turd sandwich or a giant douche. :)
 
What I'm saying is that Obama leans way too far left for me.

It's a personal decision, right? I would just say that if you consider Obama "way too far left" then you are pretty far on the right.
 
I know, I know - my man won't be president. But, that is not the biggest reason for my apathy. I feel as though the Republican party completely ignored its own rules and forced us a man that we all hate. We don't like him, we all know he would be as horrible as Obama but we should rally around him because of our affiliation? **** that!

My personal view is that there is zero difference beyond race between Obama and Romney. When solicited in interviews, Romney himself can't even explain the differences. I consider myself a strong fiscal & social Republican but my ideals seem to be redefined by the masses as Libertarian. I miss the pre-Rove Republican party.

Four years ago, as some of you already know, I worked very hard on the Ron Paul campaign. I did the door to door thing, marched in Washington, attended the Campaign for Liberty (pseudo Republican convention), was precinct delegate, congressional district delegate, and even state delegate. This time around it was more like - meh. The decision seemed to be made before Texas even voted and then other states that actually voted majorities were ignored or are now in law suites for seating delegates. Much of which seems to be ignored by the media conglomerates. Facts are not conspiracies.

Just wondering, fellow conservatives, is your apathy as deep as mine?

Romney is far more moderate that most. For the last 12 years we have been blessed with a moron and a radical. I could stomach the change. Easily.
 
Romney is far more moderate that most. For the last 12 years we have been blessed with a moron and a radical. I could stomach the change. Easily.

What Romney SAYS certainly isn't moderate, but it's a good bet that he's lying. Is that what you're counting on?
 
I know, I know - my man won't be president. But, that is not the biggest reason for my apathy. I feel as though the Republican party completely ignored its own rules and forced us a man that we all hate. We don't like him, we all know he would be as horrible as Obama but we should rally around him because of our affiliation? **** that!

My personal view is that there is zero difference beyond race between Obama and Romney. When solicited in interviews, Romney himself can't even explain the differences. I consider myself a strong fiscal & social Republican but my ideals seem to be redefined by the masses as Libertarian. I miss the pre-Rove Republican party.

Four years ago, as some of you already know, I worked very hard on the Ron Paul campaign. I did the door to door thing, marched in Washington, attended the Campaign for Liberty (pseudo Republican convention), was precinct delegate, congressional district delegate, and even state delegate. This time around it was more like - meh. The decision seemed to be made before Texas even voted and then other states that actually voted majorities were ignored or are now in law suites for seating delegates. Much of which seems to be ignored by the media conglomerates. Facts are not conspiracies.

Just wondering, fellow conservatives, is your apathy as deep as mine?


I'm pretty apathetic yes, but I'll vote as always. There's still the House and Senate, and while I don't like Romney I think he might be a little better for the economy than Obama so I'll hold my nose and vote for him I suppose.
 
Well, the first posit above could be easily answered if he released his college records. The second and third are evidenced by his actions. The Obama White House has intentionally created an atmosphere of class warfare in this country. "Us" against the 1%." Reverend Wright is enough of a crazy that Obama & Family attending his church for 20 years if troubling. "God DAMN the United States," you remember.





His off-the-cuff unscripted moment addressing Occupy Wall Street: "You are the reason I ran for office."



Is President Obama Truly A Socialist? - Forbes

I was looking for facts.
 
I know, I know - my man won't be president. But, that is not the biggest reason for my apathy. I feel as though the Republican party completely ignored its own rules and forced us a man that we all hate. We don't like him, we all know he would be as horrible as Obama but we should rally around him because of our affiliation? **** that!

My personal view is that there is zero difference beyond race between Obama and Romney. When solicited in interviews, Romney himself can't even explain the differences. I consider myself a strong fiscal & social Republican but my ideals seem to be redefined by the masses as Libertarian. I miss the pre-Rove Republican party.

Four years ago, as some of you already know, I worked very hard on the Ron Paul campaign. I did the door to door thing, marched in Washington, attended the Campaign for Liberty (pseudo Republican convention), was precinct delegate, congressional district delegate, and even state delegate. This time around it was more like - meh. The decision seemed to be made before Texas even voted and then other states that actually voted majorities were ignored or are now in law suites for seating delegates. Much of which seems to be ignored by the media conglomerates. Facts are not conspiracies.

Just wondering, fellow conservatives, is your apathy as deep as mine?

At this point I am so apathetic as to say I would prefer Obama and find a better candidate for 2016.
 
I know, I know - my man won't be president. But, that is not the biggest reason for my apathy. I feel as though the Republican party completely ignored its own rules and forced us a man that we all hate. We don't like him, we all know he would be as horrible as Obama but we should rally around him because of our affiliation? **** that!

My personal view is that there is zero difference beyond race between Obama and Romney. When solicited in interviews, Romney himself can't even explain the differences. I consider myself a strong fiscal & social Republican but my ideals seem to be redefined by the masses as Libertarian. I miss the pre-Rove Republican party.

Four years ago, as some of you already know, I worked very hard on the Ron Paul campaign. I did the door to door thing, marched in Washington, attended the Campaign for Liberty (pseudo Republican convention), was precinct delegate, congressional district delegate, and even state delegate. This time around it was more like - meh. The decision seemed to be made before Texas even voted and then other states that actually voted majorities were ignored or are now in law suites for seating delegates. Much of which seems to be ignored by the media conglomerates. Facts are not conspiracies.

Just wondering, fellow conservatives, is your apathy as deep as mine?

No offense and I hope I don't get an infraction for this but you sir are a moron. If for no other reason just consider who obama's pick was for the supreme court and imagine what will happen if he gets to pick one or two more. Romney has openly criticized the appointment of Sotomayor, need I say more?
 
I'm not excited because none of the candidates is going to do a thing to restore the Constitution or individual liberty, or do anything to reverse our path to becoming a police state. While we are squabbling over gay marriage, tax returns and birth certificates the world keeps tuning. There is about to be a huge war in the Middle East, and WE WILL be a part of it. A hard rain is about to fall and our politicians and major media are asleep at the wheel! WAKE UP!

Why are the Middle East, national security being ignored in the 2012 campaign? - Columbia Independent | Examiner.com
 
No offense and I hope I don't get an infraction for this but you sir are a moron. If for no other reason just consider who obama's pick was for the supreme court and imagine what will happen if he gets to pick one or two more. Romney has openly criticized the appointment of Sotomayor, need I say more?
I appreciate your opinion, I really do, but I think you could have chosen a better word to reflect my position. My entire point is that I do not trust either one of them. Besides, even Reagan made an 'interesting' supreme court appointment. They can try to chose the best, then the justice will do whatever they do.

I guess I am tired of picking my president on emotion but would rather base it on sound logic and solid principles. Neither of those have any. The Republican party needs its ass handed to them on a platter or nothing will change. You will see me with the bumper sticker about not blaming me cause I didn't vote for either one of them. Finally, don't worry about it. I live in the 6th most conservative city in the US - Romney will take my area with flying colors. With or without my vote. I very seriously doubt he will take the state however.
 
I think we can all agree that Romney is not the perfect candidate for the GOP but to me to say that he is the same as Obama is ridiculous......The thing about Romney is he is electable......Moderates will vote for him...We have to get rid of Oboma.He is destroying this country and I am not joking....I would have loved it to be Santorum but in truth he is not electable as a Conservative.......


Moderates will vote for him? Hardly....after he showed his true colors and picked a wacko right-wing extemist as his running mate. Then again.....romney has flip flopped so much....who REALLY knows where he stands on anything. Mr. Etch-A-Sketch cannot be trusted...and I think Moderates are smart enough to realize this.
 
I appreciate your opinion, I really do, but I think you could have chosen a better word to reflect my position. My entire point is that I do not trust either one of them. Besides, even Reagan made an 'interesting' supreme court appointment. They can try to chose the best, then the justice will do whatever they do.

I guess I am tired of picking my president on emotion but would rather base it on sound logic and solid principles. Neither of those have any. The Republican party needs its ass handed to them on a platter or nothing will change. You will see me with the bumper sticker about not blaming me cause I didn't vote for either one of them. Finally, don't worry about it. I live in the 6th most conservative city in the US - Romney will take my area with flying colors. With or without my vote. I very seriously doubt he will take the state however.

The republicans got there asses handed to them on a platter when obama got elected. Sorry about calling you a moron but really you have to see the big picture here.
 
Moderates will vote for him? Hardly....after he showed his true colors and picked a wacko right-wing extemist as his running mate. Then again.....romney has flip flopped so much....who REALLY knows where he stands on anything. Mr. Etch-A-Sketch cannot be trusted...and I think Moderates are smart enough to realize this.

Wow, so Romney is the flip flopper now. Obama's administration has been filled with flip flopping. And if you consider going back on promises you made to the American people "flip flopping", then the entire administration can be summed up by the word...
 
What I'm saying is that Obama leans way too far left for me.

He hasn't been liberal enough for me. He's been a center right president IMO.
 
He hasn't been liberal enough for me. He's been a center right president IMO.

Have you not heard the gospel of Fox Your Star... he's obviously the most far Radical leftist president EVER...

In all seriousness though.

He is the President of the UNITED States, not just the president of those who agree with him.

And by the way if the left has a problem with that they can vote for somebody else.
 
Have you not heard the gospel of Fox Your Star... he's obviously the most far Radical leftist president EVER...

In all seriousness though.

He is the President of the UNITED States, not just the president of those who agree with him.

And by the way if the left has a problem with that they can vote for somebody else.

Oh yes, I'm gonna vote for Romney because Obama has disappointed me as a liberal. Doesn't make much sense.

We need a third party badly.
 
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