• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Ryan gets caught in a lie about requesting Stimulus money...

:shrug: like he said, they were handled with the SS/VA requests and forwarded on, and he takes responsibility for the screw up.



Self-Pwnage is when one unwittingly pwns oneself. It's hard to self-pwn when one has already admitted and taken responsibility for error.

So you seriously believe that he's just rubber stamping requests for tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, without bothering to check and see if the projects are even real ... let alone worthwhile? If he's telling the truth about that then it's even more disturbing than his having lied about knowing about it. I mean seriously ... THIS is the guy who's supposed to help get our fiscal house in order?!
 
It is certainly more important than the Presidents' $716 Bn cuts to Medicare for current seniors, or the unemployment rate.

And they vote.
 
So his office forwarded some requests from his constituents, and he takes responsibility for the oversight.


Gosh, what a horrible person :roll:.

Well, this means that Ryan believes in the nanny state and "big government" then doesn't it.
 
So you seriously believe that he's just rubber stamping requests for tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, without bothering to check and see if the projects are even real ... let alone worthwhile?

well, that is what he said. specifically he said that it was handled through the venue that SS and VA requests go through (constituent requests for help with government agencies), that it was an oversight, and he takes responsibility for the screwup.

Gosh, imagine that. Taking responsibility for a screwup. Wouldn't that be a nice change in a Presidential Administration?

THIS is the guy who's supposed to help get our fiscal house in order?!

yes. this is the guy who has actually bothered to put out a budget, to put out a budget that would get our fiscal house in order, that he has worked with members of both sides of the aisle on, and has gotten passed in a Chamber of Congress. Unlike, oh, you know, the current administration and the Senate.
 
Last edited:
Look, I realize ya'll are desperate because all Obama has this time around is a smear campaign, and the GOP appears to have put up the nearest thing politics has to two boyscouts, but really? This is.... :lol: well, hey, you keep on truckin :). Maybe you should investigate whether or not Ryan has ever put a family dog in an odd carrying position, I'm sure the voters will be all over that one ;).
 
well, that's cute but there is no underlying logic behind it.

Of course there is: Ryan yesll about what other people do; being guilty of it himself. Thus is just as bad and dependent as he says his "leftie enemies" are.
 
If they said "we screwed up and we take responsibility for that"? Yes. Have you ever known them to do so?

I can't recall really any modern day politician doing so.
 
Of course there is: Ryan yesll about what other people do; being guilty of it himself.

1. No, Ryan is not seeking to expand the realm wherein government tells people what to do. he is, in fact, seeking to decrease that realm.
2. Energy subsidies =/= "nanny state big government".
3. Ryan has stated (and I find it odd how much I have to repeat this) that the way those constituent letters were handled was an error of processing and he takes responsibility for that error.

the grasping at straws is strong in this one.

Thus is just as bad and dependent as he says his "leftie enemies" are.

no, that is the President you are thinking of, who uses the term "enemies".
 
:shrug: well apparently now you know one.

Jury is still out on that one.

I'll be honest with you, I've been looking for an excuse to get in with the GOP. I was a great little Republican back in the day, high school into undergrad into graduate. George Bush made me give it up, and y'all ain't offered anything since to draw me back. Not Romney, not Ryan, they're all same cloth status quo loving, big government growing, liberty hating jerks.

Put up someone good, and I'll vote for y'all, but if you're gonna give me a pile of **** each time, I'm not going to vote for y'all.
 
1. No, Ryan is not seeking to expand the realm wherein government tells people what to do. he is, in fact, seeking to decrease that realm.
Yup, including loosening up regulations on those people know as "corporations", friend.
2. Energy subsidies =/= "nanny state big government".
Yup, it is just corporate welfare.
 
Jury is still out on that one.

I'll be honest with you, I've been looking for an excuse to get in with the GOP. I was a great little Republican back in the day, high school into undergrad into graduate. George Bush made me give it up, and y'all ain't offered anything since to draw me back. Not Romney, not Ryan, they're all same cloth status quo loving, big government growing, liberty hating jerks.

:lol: watch it with the "ya'll"s. I left it looks like about the same time that you did, and I wasn't a Romney voter until O-care passed the SCOTUS and he picked Ryan. I was going to go with Johnson or some other protest vote option until I got the opportunity to vote for something with the GOP ticket rather than against the administration.

I'm still not voting 'for' Romney. But I will sure as hell vote 'for' a mandate for entitlement and tax reform.
 
Last edited:
Yup, including loosening up regulations on those people know as "corporations", friend.

and thank goodness. our federal register is out of control, and needs to be significantly pared back.

Yup, it is just corporate welfare.

well there we would agree, except that I would add that there is usually a strong side serving of crony capitalism to go with it.
 
1. No, Ryan is not seeking to expand the realm wherein government tells people what to do. he is, in fact, seeking to decrease that realm.

Ryan wants the government to tell women that they can't have an abortion no matter what, he wants the federal government to tell us that gays can't marry each other, the military to tell gays that they come out of the closet, that's more government telling us what to do than we currently have, so your claim is completely false.


2. Energy subsidies =/= "nanny state big government".

According to Ryan, it's only "Cronyism and Corporate Welfare".

VP pick: Paul Ryan's energy platform: 'Ending cronyism' - POLITICO.com


3. Ryan has stated (and I find it odd how much I have to repeat this) that the way those constituent letters were handled was an error of processing and he takes responsibility for that error.

That's bull****. The letters were written in his name, sent from his office, clearly praising those projects in an effort to get the money. They weren't "constituent letters" "handled in an error of processing".


the grasping at straws is strong in this one.

You're giving us falsehoods left and right, if anyone is "grasping at straws", it's you.



no, that is the President you are thinking of, who uses the term "enemies".

And you have link proving he personally used this term with regards to the Right?
 
The Stimulus didn't work and was a waste of money

So says Ryan who then went on to ask for a chunk of it anyway. It seems his constituent did not agree that it would wasted on them.
 
Last edited:
Because we are the people with nothing better to do than rant at anonymous posters on teh interwebs. I sincerely doubt anyone here is involved at the strategic level with Obama campaign message development.

They are still the ones propagating these attacks, without the people supporting them, nothing gets very far, so just leave them to these attacks, and you can sit by and wait for your candidate to win, or start another thread congratulating the Republicans if you feel bored. If you believe what you write, that is.
 
So Ryan, who is so lauded by the right wing for he seat on the high horse, declares he doesn't ask for what he opposes, the stimulus, but doesn't tell his staff to at least bring to his attention any requests for stimulus money from his district?

Ok we all know he isn't that great an organizer, his so-called budget shows that, but he has had plenty of examples of how bad it looks to be seen as endorsing programs you rail so hard against and where you make your political capital.

He is either a fool, arrogant or a liar...

"I don't recall", I cringed when President Reagan flew that during Iran Contra, but it sure seems to be a politicians excuse for many sins these days.

This is not about Ryan's staff. It's about Ryan. He is the one who personally signed those requests. Throwing his staff under the bus is not going to change that fact.
 
Ryan wants the government to tell women that they can't have an abortion no matter what, he wants the federal government to tell us that gays can't marry each other, the military to tell gays that they come out of the closet, that's more government telling us what to do than we currently have, so your claim is completely false.

1. Ryan defends the DOMA which says that the states' can't tell each other what to do
2. DADT is already repealed and the government is supposed to tell members of the military what to do
3. No one wants to tell women they can't have a medical procedure - that is a mischaracterization. Pro-Lifers want to tell women that they cannot kill children. That is a rather important distinction.

and still, after that, Ryan wants to reduce the sphere of government that tells us what to do. and so it seems that you are wrong.

According to Ryan, it's only "Cronyism and Corporate Welfare".

Often it is.

For example, it turns out that Nancy Pelosi's wealth increased by 62% in a single year thanks to an IPO that she got unique access to at the exact right time... an IPO being handled through VISA and in a time period when Nancy was developing Credit Card regulation....

There's alot of that crap going on. That's why "reducing corruption" has crept up to #2 on the list of "voters want"

That's bull****. The letters were written in his name, sent from his office, clearly praising those projects in an effort to get the money. They weren't "constituent letters" "handled in an error of processing".

Have you ever worked in a high-flow office? Those are form letters. The aid took out the blocs dealing with "social security" and added in "alternative energy" and put it in the stack. Indeed it was an oversight, and one that Ryan takes responsibility for.

And that's a point worth repeating - it was a screw up that Ryan takes responsibility for.

You're giving us falsehoods left and right, if anyone is "grasping at straws", it's you.

:lol:

And you have link proving he personally used this term with regards to the Right?

President Obama to Latino Voters: "Punish your enemies"

President Obama on Republicans: "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun"

and so on and so forth.
 
This is not about Ryan's staff. It's about Ryan. He is the one who personally signed those requests. Throwing his staff under the bus is not going to change that fact.

Gosh, if only he had publicly accepted responsibility for the oversight or something.... :roll:
 
He was not even the Romney pick for ten minutes last Saturday when he lied about representing inner cities in his own district. So this is no real surprise.
 
They are still the ones propagating these attacks, without the people supporting them, nothing gets very far, so just leave them to these attacks, and you can sit by and wait for your candidate to win, or start another thread congratulating the Republicans if you feel bored. If you believe what you write, that is.

I am just barely shy of 20,000 posts. Do you think I racked this up because I have the ability to shut up? :lol:
 
1. Ryan defends the DOMA which says that the states' can't tell each other what to do

Ryan also voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment.

2. DADT is already repealed and the government is supposed to tell members of the military what to do

DADT being repealed doesn't change the fact that Ryan opposed repealing it. Sure, the government is supposed to tell the military what to do, but you claimed Ryan doesn't want to the government to tell people what to do anymore than they do now, which isn't what that is.



3. No one wants to tell women they can't have a medical procedure - that is a mischaracterization. Pro-Lifers want to tell women that they cannot kill children. That is a rather important distinction.

I said nothing about "medical procedure", that's your "mischaracterization". I wrote about abortion, put whatever distinction you want on it, Ryan wants the government to stop women from having abortion.


and still, after that, Ryan wants to reduce the sphere of government that tells us what to do. and so it seems that you are wrong.

Sure, if you say the sky will fall, it will fall. Ryan wants the government to put more restrictions on more than half of the population, that's not reducing "the sphere of government that tells us what to do" no matter how much wish it to be so or how many times you tell yourself that.



Often it is.

For example, it turns out that Nancy Pelosi's wealth increased by 62% in a single year thanks to an IPO that she got unique access to at the exact right time... an IPO being handled through VISA and in a time period when Nancy was developing Credit Card regulation....

There's alot of that crap going on. That's why "reducing corruption" has crept up to #2 on the list of "voters want"

Right, the kind of crap where Ryan got richer off his shares right after he had a meeting telling him how bad the banking industry was going to be and who's the likely winners were.


Have you ever worked in a high-flow office? Those are form letters. The aid took out the blocs dealing with "social security" and added in "alternative energy" and put it in the stack. Indeed it was an oversight, and one that Ryan takes responsibility for.

I have and I signed those kind of letters too. I know that if I was going on day after day about how some programme is a waste money and so on, and my assistance presented me with a letter associated with said programme, I would take the time to know what the letter was about, and remember it. But of course I don't have to answer to the public, when you do, you often develop a convenient memory. But let's assume that Ryan really forgot about those letters, your characterisation of them is still a falsehood. The letters were written in Ryan's name, from his office with the purpose of soliciting money from the Stimulus bill. It was not "forwarded" from some constituent, nor was it sent to the wrong department or with the wrong content. It was sent to the right department, and money were given to those programme he proposed.



And that's a point worth repeating - it was a screw up that Ryan takes responsibility for.

Ryan only took responsibility for having been caught in a falsehood. He never took responsibility for asking for the money in the first place. I have yet to see him claim that he meant to refuse those constituents who asked him to request the money.



Glad you find it funny when your falsehoods are pointed to you.



And so on and so forth? Only one of those links had him saying it at a Latino event, though he did say it, which I thought he would be too smart to do, but I'm wrong.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom