Obama - Weakest President ever?

One thing that strikes me is how weak President Obama is. Whether it be closing Gitmo or refusing to renew the Bush tax cuts, two acts he promised 100 times in his campaign, it always ends with Obama lamenting he can't do it. Republicans did not give him permission to close Gitmo and forced him to endorse the Bush tax cuts.

He can not say no to the most extreme give-aways to bankrupting "green" companies, can not say no to Wall Street, can not say no to the ubber rich in real terms and even had to congratulate GE for paying $0 in taxes. Whispering that after the election he might be able to do something.

Everyone. Anyone. Can pull Obama's strings forcing him to openly be a liar, openly just giving away the treasury. While he has permission to say anything he wants, he does what he is told.

Anyone else notice that in terms of actions Obama is incredibly weak and seems just a puppet of the puppet masters?

joko104 said:

Anyone else notice that in terms of actions Obama is incredibly weak and seems just a puppet of the puppet masters?

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No...you just CHOOSE to see him that way...

joko104 said:

One thing that strikes me is how weak President Obama is. Whether it be closing Gitmo or refusing to renew the Bush tax cuts, two acts he promised 100 times in his campaign, it always ends with Obama lamenting he can't do it. Republicans did not give him permission to close Gitmo and forced him to endorse the Bush tax cuts.

He can not say no to the most extreme give-aways to bankrupting "green" companies, can not say no to Wall Street, can not say no to the ubber rich in real terms and even had to congratulate GE for paying $0 in taxes. Whispering that after the election he might be able to do something.

Everyone. Anyone. Can pull Obama's strings forcing him to openly be a liar, openly just giving away the treasury. While he has permission to say anything he wants, he does what he is told.

Anyone else notice that in terms of actions Obama is incredibly weak and seems just a puppet of the puppet masters?

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So you think he should act as a dictator?

You don't get everything you want just because you're president. That's just how it works. It's fine to criticize him for not keeping promises or for not trying hard enough to get something done, but I think it's silly to pick out a few things and focus only on those in order to make the rather silly argument that he is weak. You could also flip that on it's head and say he's been a strong president in the sense that he fought and used a lot of political capitol to pass the stimulus and healthcare, he has bucked the conventional idea that supporting gay marriage would be terrible politics in order to do what he thinks is right etc...

joko104 said:

Anyone else notice that in terms of actions Obama is incredibly weak and seems just a puppet of the puppet masters?

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Hardly the weakest president. With his foreign policy, Obamacare, bailouts, going after Bin Ladin, stances on the economy, drone attacks on terrorists, he is one of the strongest presidents.

Now, you can argue that his policies have hurt America, but he definetly isn't a weak president. He is quite bold and aggresive when it comes to his beliefs and policies when he wants them to.

Doesn't mean he gets everything he wants, but he is a strong president. I also believe Bush was a strong president whose policies hurt America. But neither are/were weak.

joko104 said:

Anyone else notice that in terms of actions Obama is incredibly weak and seems just a puppet of the puppet masters?

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Wait......you are just now realizing that corporations hold power in America?

What happened? Eisenhower's famous last words just sunk in?


Better late....than never.

nice guy, but tell us what gerald ford - of the modern era presidents - that would cause him to be found a strong president

Barack Obama is a strong campaigner and one hell of a public speaker -- almost hypnotic at times. Aside from that, I hope he loses in a landslide this November.

lunchbox said:

Barack Obama is a strong campaigner and one hell of a public speaker -- almost hypnotic at times. Aside from that, I hope he loses in a landslide this November.

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No doubt he is a skilled mouthpiece.

Another example is how Biden stated favoring gay marriage and Obama reverses himself immediately yielding to Biden.

TheNextEra said:

Hardly the weakest president. With his foreign policy, Obamacare, bailouts, going after Bin Ladin, stances on the economy, drone attacks on terrorists, he is one of the strongest presidents.

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All those were just expansions of Bush's policies, other than your general "stance" on the economy and ObamaCare. His "stance" on topics seems to have little to do with what he does. ObamaCare came to NOT be universal healthcare, but welfare for the super rich, a massive pay-off to the insurance industry and then his giving exemptions to the wealthiest corporation and people on earth - such as the WalMart heirs each worth over $20 Billion.

Don't get me wrong. Obama TALKS tough. But his talk is only that. He and - in my opinion - the puppet masters - understand that people evaluate Obama on what he says, not what he does. For example, his raging against the rich while giving them everything they want.

joko104 said:

All those were just expansions of Bush's policies, other than your general "stance" on the economy and ObamaCare. His "stance" on topics seems to have little to do with what he does. ObamaCare came to NOT be universal healthcare, but welfare for the super rich, a massive pay-off to the insurance industry and then his giving exemptions to the wealthiest corporation and people on earth - such as the WalMart heirs each worth over $20 Billion.

Don't get me wrong. Obama TALKS tough. But his talk is only that. He and - in my opinion - the puppet masters - understand that people evaluate Obama on what he says, not what he does. For example, his raging against the rich while giving them everything they want.

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Obama signed into law health care reform which presidents have been trying to do for 100 years. He saved 2/3 of the US-based auto industry, and over a milion jobs in the process. He got a nearly-trillion-dollar stimulus package to aid in the recovery. He ended don't-ask-don't tell. He signed into law historic gender equity legislation. And your big examples of his ineffectiveness are Gitmo and the Bush tax cuts? Can you give some examples of strong presidents who were able to make good on 100% of their promises?

AdamT said:

Obama signed into law health care reform which presidents have been trying to do for 100 years. He saved 2/3 of the US-based auto industry, and over a milion jobs in the process. He got a nearly-trillion-dollar stimulus package to aid in the recovery. He ended don't-ask-don't tell. He signed into law historic gender equity legislation. And your big examples of his ineffectiveness are Gitmo and the Bush tax cuts? Can you give some examples of strong presidents who were able to make good on 100% of their promises?

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A majority of americans oppose obamacare, it was rammed up our colletive butts in the dark of night on Christmas eve on a strictly partisan vote before anyone had a chance to read it.

GM will never pay the taxpayers back, they are losing more money every day---and they are building cars in mexico and china. it was a terrible waste of our money.

repealing DADT, who cares?

he said stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%---another lie.

everything he has done has been the wrong thing at the wrong time. Worst president in history.

Bobcat said:

A majority of americans oppose obamacare, it was rammed up our colletive butts in the dark of night on Christmas eve on a strictly partisan vote before anyone had a chance to read it.

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actually, i don't know what exactly was rammed up your butt on that dark Christmas night, but it was not Obamacare
should should probably want to remember who you were with that evening and which of them is fond of the bunghole

GM will never pay the taxpayers back, they are losing more money every day---and they are building cars in mexico and china. it was a terrible waste of our money.

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GM is selling cars
and Americans are building them and feeding their families as a result
suppliers are providing services and materials to GM and they are working and feeding their families as a result
and you characterize this as a waste of money
you should instead examine more closely the cost of the nation building we engaged in in the middle east if you want to focus on a real, expensive boondoggle

repealing DADT, who cares?

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anyone who wants a stronger, more inclusive military
why is that anathema to you?

he said stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%---another lie.

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yes, his projections were overly optimistic; he naively failed to recognize that the GOP's #1 initiative was going to be to deny the first black president a second term ... no matter how much that set back our country's economy. but party before nation, right?

everything he has done has been the wrong thing at the wrong time. Worst president in history.

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lot to quibble about as far as Obama's administration. he certainly has disappointed a lot of us. but when compared to his predecessor, and the deep ditch into which dicknbush plunged our economy, Obama is heads and shoulders above what the republicans provided then or offer now

Bobcat said:

GM will never pay the taxpayers back, they are losing more money every day---and they are building cars in mexico and china. it was a terrible waste of our money.

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Justabubba answered most of this, but you are simply wrong on your facts. Last year was GM's most profitable year ever and they have been profitable for 10 straight quarters. And they are expanding their U.S. workforce. They employ tens of thousands of Americans directly, and indirectly support over a million jobs.

joko104 said:

One thing that strikes me is how weak President Obama is. Whether it be closing Gitmo or refusing to renew the Bush tax cuts, two acts he promised 100 times in his campaign, it always ends with Obama lamenting he can't do it. Republicans did not give him permission to close Gitmo and forced him to endorse the Bush tax cuts.

He can not say no to the most extreme give-aways to bankrupting "green" companies, can not say no to Wall Street, can not say no to the ubber rich in real terms and even had to congratulate GE for paying $0 in taxes. Whispering that after the election he might be able to do something.

Everyone. Anyone. Can pull Obama's strings forcing him to openly be a liar, openly just giving away the treasury. While he has permission to say anything he wants, he does what he is told.

Anyone else notice that in terms of actions Obama is incredibly weak and seems just a puppet of the puppet masters?

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I wouldn't say "weakest president ever"... that easily goes to William Harrison... who suffered from pnemonia that he got after delivering the longest inaugural address of all out in the freezing cold... dying 3 months later...

However, in terms of what you said, with him being a weak president, and an ineffective leader, I have to agree wholeheartedly...

Obama postures like he is strong, and puts on the facade that he is doing what he wants, getting what he wants, is responsible for the acts others took, is not to blame for something, or is really against something (which he hasn't done a thing to stop)...

When it comes down to it though, it's hollow rhetoric, empty action... and a cherade meant to make it seem like he's this great leader, but he's not lead on a thing... he's just an orator... thats it...

He's felt like a lame duck president since the mid-term elections, but even prior to the elections he was still still quite maleable...


My best case example of this is when he was asked by the reporter regarding his statements that he thought gasoline prices should rise to european levels, and I believe the mention of $10 was brought up in the question... asking whether he was intentionally not acting while gas prices were elevating to astronomic rates...

He turned to the guy, directly looked him in the eye, delivered a 1-liner "Do you think any sitting president in an election year would be happy with rising gas prices?", and after that the issue seemed to get put to bed by the media...

However, that 1-liner did nothing to change the fact that he actually had stated on many occasions that he wanted fossil fuel rates to increase drastically, to force people to have to adapt to "green" initiatives... and he has done nothing to act to stop the rise of gas prices... and has continually issued ways to issue new "green" initiatives to get around the gas price problem... which matches the rhetoric he said...


He's been weak at handling crises... and instead when these crises happen, he just takes the opportunity of the crises happening to try and change the way we live... by weak executive orders... or legislation with no weight to it...

His Chief of Staff at the time, Rahm Emanuel, let the cat out of the bag on that one, with his "Never let a good crisis go to waste" statement...


He hasn't been able to get any legislation passed since party majority changed in the House... In order for Obama to get anything done, he needed contol of the House and Senate? That's pretty much the very definition of a weak president...

Nixon worked with an opposition party control of the legislature, Reagan worked with an opposition party control of the legislature, Clinton worked with an opposition party control of the legislature... all 3 of those 2 term presidents got those 2nd terms on the weight of great legislative actions taken with the cooperation they were able to get out of the opposition party, by going along with some of the opposition party's initiatives within those first terms...

If Obama can not... it just shows how weak he is... and how ineffectual of a leader he is as president of this country... at a time when we need dire change to the status quo...

AdamT said:

Justabubba answered most of this, but you are simply wrong on your facts. Last year was GM's most profitable year ever and they have been profitable for 10 straight quarters. And they are expanding their U.S. workforce. They employ tens of thousands of Americans directly, and indirectly support over a million jobs.

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GM stock is crashing, the US taxpayers and the UAW hold most of the GM stock, every time it goes down we lose more money.

even huff puff post covered it General Motors Profit Falls 15 Percent To $1.7 Billion In Third Quarter

and how do those union workers feel about GM shipping their jobs to mexico and china in order to cut labor costs?

the GM bailout was a terrible mistake.

AdamT said:

Justabubba answered most of this, but you are simply wrong on your facts. Last year was GM's most profitable year ever and they have been profitable for 10 straight quarters. And they are expanding their U.S. workforce. They employ tens of thousands of Americans directly, and indirectly support over a million jobs.

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Those workers would still have jobs, and probably better ones, if GM had gone through bankruptsy. the huge inefficient company would have been broken up into smaller efficient units, the creditors would have been paid off and the new companies would have started fresh.

Why wasn't this done? Because each of those new companies would have had to have a union representation vote of their workers, the UAW could not take the chance that they might be voted out of existence--like they are in the car companies in the south---so they made a deal with obama, bail out GM and we will continue sending money to your campaign.

Thats what the GM bailout was really all about.

Weakest president in my opinion was Ulysses S Grant. possibly Andrew Johnson

muciti said:

Weakest president in my opinion was Ulysses S Grant. possibly Andrew Johnson

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in recent times---Jimmy Carter

Bobcat said:

GM stock is crashing, the US taxpayers and the UAW hold most of the GM stock, every time it goes down we lose more money.

even huff puff post covered it General Motors Profit Falls 15 Percent To $1.7 Billion In Third Quarter

and how do those union workers feel about GM shipping their jobs to mexico and china in order to cut labor costs?

the GM bailout was a terrible mistake.

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Actually GM's stock has been rising for three weeks, but yeah, it has certainly fallen a lot since the IPO. But FYI, we don't lose or gain anything on the stock until we actually sell it. Surprised they didn't teach that to you at Harvard Business School. :lol:

Here's something else they apparently didn't teach you: profits rise and fall. If your PROFIT falls it means you're still making a PROFIT. Otherwise they call it a loss.

As I mentioned above, GM has added US workers and continues to expand its US manufacturers. I would imagine that the workers are quite happy that GM is doing well in China as they have profit sharing and benefit from GM's success. Thus, in March, 47,500 blue collar GM workers in the U.S. received $7,000 checks. Yep, I'll bet they were pretty happy about that.

AdamT said:

Actually GM's stock has been rising for three weeks, but yeah, it has certainly fallen a lot since the IPO. But FYI, we don't lose or gain anything on the stock until we actually sell it. Surprised they didn't teach that to you at Harvard Business School. :lol:

Here's something else they apparently didn't teach you: profits rise and fall. If your PROFIT falls it means you're still making a PROFIT. Otherwise they call it a loss.

As I mentioned above, GM has added US workers and continues to expand its US manufacturers. I would imagine that the workers are quite happy that GM is doing well in China as they have profit sharing and benefit from GM's success. Thus, in March, 47,500 blue collar GM workers in the U.S. received $7,000 checks. Yep, I'll bet they were pretty happy about that.

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General Motors Company Common S Stock Chart | GM Interactive Chart - Yahoo! Finance


Yes, I am quite aware that a small profit is still a profit. Wall street grades corporations on how well the forecast their financials and GM has done a poor job of forecasting. The value of a corporation is its stock price times the number of shares.

Now, are you really trying to tell me that the union workers and the union bosses are happy that Cadilacs are being built in China rather than Detroit?

Bobcat said:

General Motors Company Common S Stock Chart | GM Interactive Chart - Yahoo! Finance


Yes, I am quite aware that a small profit is still a profit. Wall street grades corporations on how well the forecast their financials and GM has done a poor job of forecasting. The value of a corporation is its stock price times the number of shares.

Now, are you really trying to tell me that the union workers and the union bosses are happy that Cadilacs are being built in China rather than Detroit?

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I'm telling you that GM's workers are happy that GM is making money. I'm sure they realize that it makes financial sense for GM to make cars intended for the Chinese market in China, just as they make many cars intended for the U.S. market in the U.S.

You aren't claiming that ALL Cadillacs are built in China, are you?!

General Motors has ensured that their new Cadillac 2013 ATS rolls out from a newly upgraded plant which was undertaken at an investment of $190 million. A second shift has been added to facilitate production while 600 additional workers have been added to the company's existing 1643 permanent and temporary employees.

GM Cadillac ATS will be produced at the company assembly plant in Lansing Grand River, Michigan from where CTS sedan, Wagon, Coupe and V Series models are also produced. 2013 ATS is expected to hit dealer showrooms this summer while prices are expected in the $33,990 bracket including destination charges.

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Yep, I'm quite sure that the people in Lansing, MI appreciate the nine-figure capital investment and thousands of jobs GM is providing!

joko104 said:

One thing that strikes me is how weak President Obama is. Whether it be closing Gitmo or refusing to renew the Bush tax cuts, two acts he promised 100 times in his campaign, it always ends with Obama lamenting he can't do it. Republicans did not give him permission to close Gitmo and forced him to endorse the Bush tax cuts.

He can not say no to the most extreme give-aways to bankrupting "green" companies, can not say no to Wall Street, can not say no to the ubber rich in real terms and even had to congratulate GE for paying $0 in taxes. Whispering that after the election he might be able to do something.

Everyone. Anyone. Can pull Obama's strings forcing him to openly be a liar, openly just giving away the treasury. While he has permission to say anything he wants, he does what he is told.

Anyone else notice that in terms of actions Obama is incredibly weak and seems just a puppet of the puppet masters?

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Wait, I thought Obama was the most draconian president ever. Which is it, is he too weak or too strong?

Did anyone see the movie called The Manchurian Candidate? Hussein Obama is the Manchurian Candidate....Countries in the middle east are pulling his strings.

Definately. He's practically coddling the terrorists.

GWB would have started military operations in Iran already if he was still president.

Although he is certainly weak, only someone with a very tenuous grasp of US history would contend that Obama is the weakest POTUS ever.