2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread[W:191]

[Conservative]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

No. When you repeat something you heard on TV, we call you out.

If you have any original idea give us a call. But the constant regurgitation of talking points is so-ooo old.

Give who a call, people who have no concept of personal responsibility or idea of what actual results are?

 

[Conservative]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

Because every situation is exactly the same.

Raising taxes on the consumer class right now would be a bad idea.

The market has been jump started and running fine with some moderate corrections along the way.

And no one is raising taxes. We're just not extending the tax cuts.

Consumer class? What do you think the rich do with their money and how does that affect the economy?

Economy jump stated is what the stimulus was supposed to do, then leadership steps in and takes over or in this case the lack of leadership took office.

Not extending the tax cuts on whom, all taxpayers? Great, go for it.

 

[hazlnut]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

Give who a call, people who have no concept of personal responsibility or idea of what actual results are?

You mean like the House GOP that caused the lowering of our credit rating?

 

[Conservative]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

You mean like the House GOP that caused the lowering of our credit rating?

You mean the credit rating that Obama and the Democrat Congress refused to address in 2009-2010? Amazing how the credit problem just showed up when the Republicans took the House, isn't it?

 

[Redress]

Newest Nate Silver analysis of the convention bump for Romney: Sept. 2: Split Verdict in Polls on Romney Convention Bounce - NYTimes.com

This could change as we get more data, but for the time being it looks like Mr. Romney’s bounce will be a bit shy of that 4-point threshold. Thus, the forecast has moved toward Mr. Obama over the past few days; it now gives him a 74.5 percent chance of winning the Electoral College, his highest figure to date.
Our “now-cast”, however, which does not build in an adjustment for the conventions, moved slightly toward Mr. Romney on Sunday. Its estimate is that he would have a 29 percent chance of winning the Electoral College in an election held today, up from 27.7 percent on Saturday.
In other words, the polling over the past few days would look slightly favorable for Mr. Romney under ordinarily circumstances, but it reads somewhat bearishly for him given that candidates typically have modestly inflated numbers after their party conventions.

Summary: unless polling data later this week is surprising, Romney got a less than expected bounce from the convention, and "we probably can take off the table is the notion that Mr. Romney would emerge from his convention with unmistakable momentum".

More bad news for Romney: Gallup.Com - Polling Matters by Frank Newport: No Signs of GOP Convention Bounce Yet

We do have some new data that reinforce the tentative conclusion that the Republican convention did not change the race. The results, from data gathered Friday and Saturday and set to be released on gallup.com Monday morning, show that both the self-reported impact of the GOP convention and evaluations of Romney’s speech were at the very low end of the scale compared with the previous years in which we have asked the same questions about other conventions and nominees.

Romney has had to at some point improve in the polling. He has yet to do so and the election is approaching rapidly. So far nothing he has tried has worked.

 

[Conservative]

Newest Nate Silver analysis of the convention bump for Romney: Sept. 2: Split Verdict in Polls on Romney Convention Bounce - NYTimes.com



Summary: unless polling data later this week is surprising, Romney got a less than expected bounce from the convention, and "we probably can take off the table is the notion that Mr. Romney would emerge from his convention with unmistakable momentum".

More bad news for Romney: Gallup.Com - Polling Matters by Frank Newport: No Signs of GOP Convention Bounce Yet



Romney has had to at some point improve in the polling. He has yet to do so and the election is approaching rapidly. So far nothing he has tried has worked.

As has been pointed out even by the media, the post convention bounce is a thing of the past since there is such limited network coverage these days. That puts more emphasis on the debates and I look forward to watching Obama try to explain his record which has 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today, 5.4 trillion added to the debt, and 1.7% GDP growth which is part of the worst recovery from a recession in history

 

[Redress]

As has been pointed out even by the media, the post convention bounce is a thing of the past since there is such limited network coverage these days. That puts more emphasis on the debates and I look forward to watching Obama try to explain his record which has 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today, 5.4 trillion added to the debt, and 1.7% GDP growth which is part of the worst recovery from a recession in history

And yet there was a bounce, and the pollsters predicted a bounce. So your unsourced claim is wrong even before you made the claim.

 

[Conservative]

And yet there was a bounce, and the pollsters predicted a bounce. So your unsourced claim is wrong even before you made the claim.

Yes, there was a bounce but not the typical bounce of the past since there is such limited network coverage. There always will be a bounce but not like it has been in the past regardless of the candidate. We shall see after the debates how Obama explains his record which should be fun to watch as well as I am sure you will be fact checking

 

[IndepCentristMA]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

That funny because almost everything Romney said he'd do as president, Obama has already done. So the more he blames Obama the more stupid and bitter he looks.

Really?

When did Obama balance the budget?

When did Obama drop the corporate tax rate to 25%?
When did Obama prevent the capital gains tax from raising from 15% to 20% in 2012?
When did Obama drop capital gains taxes altogether for people making under $200K?
When did Obama drop marginal tax rates by 20% across the board?
When did Obama eliminate the repatriation tax?
When did Obama eliminate the death tax?
When did Obama repeal the AMT?
When did Obama drastically cut from spending on programs like foreign aid, funding for the arts, and funding for controversial speculative social programs?
When did Obama increase military spending by 4% of GDP?
When did Obama cut loopholes out of the tax code, simplifying it and making it easier for people and companies to plan better for their expenses?
When did Obama cut the national mandate of health insurance or face a $2000 fine, and the penalty for companies with over 50 people who don't provide insurance for them?
When did Obama institute tort reform?
When did Obama drop the size of the federal workforce by 10 percent?
When did Obama drop operating costs for the federal government?
When did Obama initiate departmental consolidation?
When did Obama revise the Social Security benefit system?
When did Obama revise Medicare/Medicaid oayment structure?
When did Obama block grant funding to the states, cutting out the federal government as a middle man?
When did Obama align public pensions with the private sector equivalence?

When did Obama stop blaming the other side, and reach across the aisle in a fair and honest effort to collaborate in order to solve problems?

There's been a lot of things Obama did as president, few that have been successful, but he certainly hasn't done many of the things Mitt Romney would do to fix the messed up situation in Washington, DC...

 

[Moot]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

Really?

When did Obama balance the budget?

When did Obama drop the corporate tax rate to 25%?
When did Obama prevent the capital gains tax from raising from 15% to 20% in 2012?
When did Obama drop capital gains taxes altogether for people making under $200K?
When did Obama drop marginal tax rates by 20% across the board?
When did Obama eliminate the repatriation tax?
When did Obama eliminate the death tax?
When did Obama repeal the AMT?
When did Obama drastically cut from spending on programs like foreign aid, funding for the arts, and funding for controversial speculative social programs?
When did Obama increase military spending by 4% of GDP?
When did Obama cut loopholes out of the tax code, simplifying it and making it easier for people and companies to plan better for their expenses?
When did Obama cut the national mandate of health insurance or face a $2000 fine, and the penalty for companies with over 50 people who don't provide insurance for them?
When did Obama institute tort reform?
When did Obama drop the size of the federal workforce by 10 percent?
When did Obama drop operating costs for the federal government?
When did Obama initiate departmental consolidation?
When did Obama revise the Social Security benefit system?
When did Obama revise Medicare/Medicaid oayment structure?
When did Obama block grant funding to the states, cutting out the federal government as a middle man?
When did Obama align public pensions with the private sector equivalence?

When did Obama stop blaming the other side, and reach across the aisle in a fair and honest effort to collaborate in order to solve problems?

There's been a lot of things Obama did as president, few that have been successful, but he certainly hasn't done many of the things Mitt Romney would do to fix the messed up situation in Washington, DC...

I was talking about his foreign policy.

Osama bin Laden is dead and GM is alive. :donkeyfla

 

[IndepCentristMA]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

I was talking about his foreign policy.

Osama bin Laden is dead and GM is alive. :donkeyfla

You don't have to show me a picture of an ass for me to see that you're misguided...

If you're trying to claim Obama's foreign policy is of his own, you know you're being disingenuous, because he's done all the things Bush did, and changed nearly every position he had on it before coming in...

However, he hasn't done everything Romney has done... and the apology tour and this screwing over Isreal issue is going to come back to haunt him in the general election...

(BTW, GM isn't all that alive... theyre losing profits, and only without that $25B investment by the government, they wouldn't be profitable at all... and that's having cut Saturn, Pontiac, Hummer, BF Goodwrench, OPEL, SAAB, etc. What quality of life is someone in that has to cut off that many of their appendages? Not great... Plus, they forced everyone to have to sell off their private dealerships & now, the government helped put the union in the board meetings, to have a say in running the company, which is already burdened by the high cost of personnel, who work at higher rates than the rest of the competition... GM is on life support would be the more accurate statement...)

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

I was talking about his foreign policy.

Osama bin Laden is dead and GM is alive. :donkeyfla

THAT is your response to the question post from ICMA? He didnt nuke you, you dont have to duck and cover.

 

[Moot]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

You don't have to show me a picture of an ass for me to see that you're misguided...

If you're trying to claim Obama's foreign policy is of his own, you know you're being disingenuous, because he's done all the things Bush did, and changed nearly every position he had on it before coming in...

However, he hasn't done everything Romney has done... and the apology tour and this screwing over Isreal issue is going to come back to haunt him in the general election...

(BTW, GM isn't all that alive... theyre losing profits, and only without that $25B investment by the government, they wouldn't be profitable at all... and that's having cut Saturn, Pontiac, Hummer, BF Goodwrench, OPEL, SAAB, etc. What quality of life is someone in that has to cut off that many of their appendages? Not great... Plus, they forced everyone to have to sell off their private dealerships & now, the government helped put the union in the board meetings, to have a say in running the company, which is already burdened by the high cost of personnel, who work at higher rates than the rest of the competition... GM is on life support would be the more accurate statement...)

Yeah, GM reclaimed it's title as number car manufacturer in the world. How horrible....for your arguement.

Last year GM posted it's largest profit in over ten years. This year the European market is dragging down GMs profit even though profits were still up in the US. That doesn't sound like a company that is on it's last leg but one that is making a come back against all odds.


If Bush had intended to fight the war on terror in Afganistan then he failed when he refocused and invaded Iraq. Obama ended the war in Iraq and refocused the war on terror back in Afganistan...and took out OBL. Romney just wants to go war on everyone. Just like Bush, he's a puppet for the neo-conservatives and every single one of them should be shot for treason for what they did when Bush was president.

 

[IndepCentristMA]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

Yeah, GM reclaimed it's title as number car manufacturer in the world. How horrible....for your arguement.

Last year GM posted it's largest profit in over ten years. This year the European market is dragging down GMs profit even though profits were still up in the US. That doesn't sound like a company that is on it's last leg but one that is making a come back against all odds.


If Bush had intended to fight the war on terror in Afganistan then he failed when he refocused and invaded Iraq. Obama ended the war in Iraq and refocused the war on terror back in Afganistan...and took out OBL. Romney just wants to go war on everyone. Just like Bush, he's a puppet for the neo-conservatives and every single one of them should be shot for treason for what they did when Bush was president.

LMFAO @ reclaimed it's title as number (1) car manufacturer in the world... That's because theyve gotten huge increases of contracts for single fleet purchases... especially from Government sources...

It's called collusion... you can read about it and find out a thing or two...

That's how you end up with the government issuing a tax credit to help purchase of certain fuel efficient vehicles, initiated specifically to coincide with GM's release of... THE CHEVY VOLT... one of those certain fuel efficient vehicles... Then the Govt putting in contracts for Chevy Volts...

This "largest profit in over ten years" comment is completely bogus... since the profit you're talking about was of $3B... they US Govt owns $25B of GM stock... See the problem with that math? How can they be $3B in the profit... when they owe US Taxpayers $25B?

Not to mention their profits have drastically dropped since that point...

Once the Japanese car makers (and Ford, since they had suppliers in that very area) were able to recover from the effects of the Tsunami... their production lines were able to catch up with the demand, and those companies caught right up with GM in terms of sales...

Toyota is actually #1... not GM (they're 3rd behind VW)...

• Revenue of the leading car manufacturers in 2012 | Statistic

(once you stop reading the mainstream media, which is bought and sold to report what favors liberals... you can see things clearer)

 

[Moot]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

LMFAO @ reclaimed it's title as number (1) car manufacturer in the world... That's because theyve gotten huge increases of contracts for single fleet purchases... especially from Government sources...

It's called collusion... you can read about it and find out a thing or two...

That's how you end up with the government issuing a tax credit to help purchase of certain fuel efficient vehicles, initiated specifically to coincide with GM's release of... THE CHEVY VOLT... one of those certain fuel efficient vehicles... Then the Govt putting in contracts for Chevy Volts...

This "largest profit in over ten years" comment is completely bogus... since the profit you're talking about was of $3B... they US Govt owns $25B of GM stock... See the problem with that math? How can they be $3B in the profit... when they owe US Taxpayers $25B? Not to mention their profits have drastically dropped since that point...

Most businesses take out loans and still make profits. In fact, taking out loans is how most businesses operate these days especially when they want to expand so they make more profits. Since the US taxpayer owns shares in GM, they probably share in the profits as well since they bought in when it was rock bottom.

Once the Japanese car makers (and Ford, since they had suppliers in that very area) were able to recover from the effects of the Tsunami... their production lines were able to catch up with the demand, and those companies caught right up with GM in terms of sales. Toyota is actually #1... not GM (they're 3rd behind VW)...

• Revenue of the leading car manufacturers in 2012 | Statistic

(once you stop reading the mainstream media, which is bought and sold to report what favors liberals... you can see things clearer)

Toyota's only been leading for two quarters because it's not as exposed in Europe as GM. Europe is dragging everyone down.

 

[IndepCentristMA]

Re: 2012 Republican National Convention, Aug 27-30, Dicussion Thread

Most businesses take out loans and still make profits. In fact, taking out loans is how most businesses operate these days especially when they want to expand so they make more profits. Since the US taxpayer owns shares in GM, they probably share in the profits as well since they bought in when it was rock bottom.

Most businesses take out private loans when they do so... and they pay them back on the scheduled time period...

You can't tell me another private enterprise that takes a majority stake $35B stock purchase from the federal government, that it makes no plans how to buy back the shares from the US Taxpayer... Then, attempts to cover for that fact, by going public, and dilluting the number of shares the Federal Government owns... despite the size of the investment leaving the US Government as the major capital source, still... And, in doing so, sells off many of those shares to the union for that company... that is also similarly being propped up by the federal government...

The reason you cant, is because if the Federal Government owns a majority stake... its no longer a private enterprise... When the federal government is involved in collusion to make that organization sustainable, it truly isn't a sustainable private enterprise... You can't because when the federal government also has their hands in running the union for that organization, its no longer a private enterprise...

It's not alive... it's a falsely propped up state run industry...

Toyota's only been leading for two quarters because it's not as exposed in Europe as GM. Europe is dragging everyone down.

Well... Everyone, except Toyota of course... and VW...