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42% of Americans think selection of Ryan was not a good choice

Yeah, because as we all know, Vice Presidential debates are so important to the result of Presidential elections!:lamo

They are...

Vice Presidential debates can make a huge impact on how people are seen...

Best example... Ross Perot in 92... He was third party, and splintering the vote of the Republicans... but he also picked up a great deal of independents and Democrats as well... So much that after the first presidential debate, which everyone said Perot won, and attributed his success to the fresh direct style he took... After which the polls were near a 3-way tie... Then the vice presidential debate occurs... and his Vice Presidential candidate, Admiral Stockdale, looked like an old out of touch statue, and someone who wasn't really able to command the office, should something happen to the old crazy Perot who seemed a heartbeat away himself... From that point on Perot was seen as the crazy old clown show who was taking votes away from Bush...

Geraldine Ferraro... another example... was extremely outclassed by the wise and experienced George H W Bush, further cementing the belief that she wasn't qualified...

The same thing occured with Bentson and Quayle... After Quayle tried to claim he was experienced, as experienced as JFK was before taking office, and he got put in his place with "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy, I knew Jack Kennedy: He was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy..." to a huge erruption of applause (and still stands as probably the most popular thing said in all of the presidential debates)... which made the race seem like an actual race again, after Dukakis punted his lead in the polls with the tank photo op, and the failure to explain the willie horton situation... Something he wasn't able to overcome...
 
I'm looking forward to the Vice Presidential debate. Biden is very likeable. He has overcome tremendous personal challenge and is genuine, I think. But he really is a gaffe-machine, bless his heart. Should be a fascinating evening.
 
Sorry, not buying it.

And no, Joe Biden is not going to turn into Stockdale when confronted with Ryan.
 
up 1%....wow. That was certainly worth touting.

The reality is that once the American public hears more about him, watch his numbers plummet.

Its better then Hussein Obama's
 
Sorry, not buying it.

And no, Joe Biden is not going to turn into Stockdale when confronted with Ryan.

Agreed, Biden won't do nearly as well as Stockdale did.
 
Sorry, not buying it.

And no, Joe Biden is not going to turn into Stockdale when confronted with Ryan.

He doesn't have to turn into Admiral Stockdale to look stupid... Being Joe Biden alone is enough...

1988 Road to the White House with Sen. Biden - YouTube



Joe Biden Gaffes - YouTube

Joe Biden's racist slip - YouTube

Joe Biden On Barack Obama - YouTube

Biden: Obama is first "CLEAN" African American - YouTube


So if Joe Biden shows up as the arrogant, bigotted, callous, lying, plagiarist, that's not on the same page with Obama and thinks Obama isn't ready to be president... That will do just fine...
 
He doesn't have to turn into Admiral Stockdale to look stupid... Being Joe Biden alone is enough...

1988 Road to the White House with Sen. Biden - YouTube



Joe Biden Gaffes - YouTube

Joe Biden's racist slip - YouTube

Joe Biden On Barack Obama - YouTube

Biden: Obama is first "CLEAN" African American - YouTube


So if Joe Biden shows up as the arrogant, bigotted, callous, lying, plagiarist, that's not on the same page with Obama and thinks Obama isn't ready to be president... That will do just fine...


Yeah, well it obviously killed he and Obama druing the first election. Meanwhile you guys have Etch a Sketch and the Kill Medicare guy to carry your banner. I know which guys I'd rather be backing.
 
Well if only there was a Hussein Obama running this november.

That name will not appear in the ballot.

Obama won't be on the ballot? So the Hawaiian birth certificate was a fake and the Kenyan birth certificate was real?
 
This poll means nothing, it’s going to come down to if Romney and Ryan can keep the pressure on Obama’s record, and the problems we are now facing.

Obama can’t run on hope and change again …. The change was little and most of it disliked, hope is nearly dead. If Romney and Ryan get on the offensive and make Obama defend his record Obama is a one term president. If Obama can continue to put pressure on Romney / Ryan and keep the debate off things like the economy, the deficit, the unemployment, and our debt then he wins ..

If Romney wanted to be on the offensive, he would have chosen a VP candidate that had no baggage and no controversy. He did not do this. Instead, the best he can hope for is a shift from attacks on Romney, his wealth and the means by which he acquired that wealth to attacks on Ryan's radical proposals to eliminate Medicare (and social security) as we know it. Instead of attacks on the north wall, he is asking people to attack his west wall.

Adding a lightening rod to a ticket that is already drawing fire and taking in water seems like a pretty stupid strategy, unless they have some sophisticated trap going (not obvious, but no traps are), this is a loser. I still don't understand why Ryan chose to deadend his future by jumping aboard a sinking ship?
 
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perhaps it is because Congress doesn't believe that the budget should be balanced on the backs of the the working and middle class, which giving trillions in tax cuts to the wealthy.

Let me give you a hint....firing up the base isn't going to win you the election when you alienate everyone except for the far right.

Ok, let's leave aside the fact that Congress is a demonstrably schizophrenic organization that can't make up its mind about anything, and just go straight to this "on the backs of" bullcrap. The Federal Government, through its tax policy, is a lot like Robin Hood, taxing the rich and giving to the poor. Wouldn't it rather be the case that the Federal Government is being run on the backs of the rich?

The money for your precious social programs doesn't come from the poor, and they have to get it from somewhere. If you tax the rich to get it, they will either evade these taxes or exploit the working class more in order to preserve their bottom line.

How are these programs in any way productive?

And let me just add, that the Republicans are more likely to win when more voters stay home. They therefore have every incentive to turn this into a nasty, partisan, mudslinging debacle in order to demotivate people. The (R)s' best chance of winning, is in fact to alienate as many people as possible.
 
If Romney wanted to be on the offensive, he would have chosen a VP candidate that had no baggage and no controversy. He did not do this. Instead, the best he can hope for is a shift from attacks on Romney, his wealth and the means by which he acquired that wealth to attacks on Ryan's radical proposals to eliminate Medicare (and social security) as we know it. Instead of attacks on the north wall, he is asking people to attack his west wall.

Adding a lightening rod to a ticket that is already drawing fire and taking in water seems like a pretty stupid strategy, unless they have some sophisticated trap going (not obvious, but no traps are), this is a loser. I still don't understand why Ryan chose to deadend his future by jumping aboard a sinking ship?

I don't understand this argument--why if Romney wanted to be on the offensive, he would've chosen a running mate with no baggage or associated controversy. That doesn't make a lick of sense. If Romney wants to bring attention to his platform, a running mate who can articulate it is just the ticket, both metaphorically and literally.

Ryan is attracting enthusiastic interest during this "bounce," and he seems, preliminarily, to be energizing and expanding the base. Isn't that the point? Isn't that the point of Christie, as abrasive as he can be, being the keynote speaker at the GOP convention?

I don't think there is much doubt that Ryan can speak clearly and thoughtfully about our fiscal problems and their solutions. No wonder the opposition objects to his being chosen as the running mate.
 
If Romney wanted to be on the offensive, he would have chosen a VP candidate that had no baggage and no controversy. He did not do this. Instead, the best he can hope for is a shift from attacks on Romney, his wealth and the means by which he acquired that wealth to attacks on Ryan's radical proposals to eliminate Medicare (and social security) as we know it. Instead of attacks on the north wall, he is asking people to attack his west wall.

Adding a lightening rod to a ticket that is already drawing fire and taking in water seems like a pretty stupid strategy, unless they have some sophisticated trap going (not obvious, but no traps are), this is a loser. I still don't understand why Ryan chose to deadend his future by jumping aboard a sinking ship?

Seeing as how it's pretty impossible for ANY candidate to find a saint for a running mate, I think Romney made a good choice.

The fact is...even if he HAD found a saint, you liberals would be able to find something wrong with him/her. If not, you'd just lie.
 
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