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Mitt Romney: I’m Running With Paul Ryan, But Not On The Ryan Budget

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Why the hell would he pick him then?
 
PIZ said:
:shock: :lamo

Why the hell would he pick him then?
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Because he knows that the right wing doesn't trust him, so he went out and found the most conservative available and that happens to be Paul Ryan.
 
pbrauer said:
Because he knows that the right wing doesn't trust him, so he went out and found the most conservative available and that happens to be Paul Ryan.
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I think Mitt Romney and his election campaign is incompetent. He picks Paul Ryan, who is most famous for his Budget plan, and in the same day he announces Ryan as his running mate he distances himself from said budget? :doh
 
Awesome -- Mitt grasps Ryan with one hand and pushes him under the bus with the other. I wonder how Ryan is feeling about his decision now.
 
PIZ said:
:shock: :lamo

Why the hell would he pick him then?
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He's an outstanding attack dog. And he's gonna make Biden look like a retard in the debates. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when Biden saw this announcement. Bet he went "Oh ****."
 
And the champions of "honesty" turn a blind eye once again. What the Romney campaign actually said doesn't match the headline nor the rhetoric of what can only be described as a hit piece:

Does this mean Mitt Romney is adopting the Paul Ryan plan?

• Gov. Romney applauds Paul Ryan for going in the right direction with his budget, and as president he will be putting together his own plan for cutting the deficit and putting the budget on a path to balance.

• Romney’s administration will go through the budget line by line and ask two questions: Can we afford it? And, if not, should we borrow money from China to pay for it?

• Mitt Romney will start with the easiest cut of all: Obamacare, a trillion-dollar entitlement we don’t want and can’t afford.
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If Romney HADN'T said exactly this, the play would be say he doesn't have his own ideas and is relying on the bottom of the ticket, the man who won't be in charge, to fill it in.

You know it would be.
 
Harshaw said:
And the champions of "honesty" turn a blind eye once again. What the Romney campaign actually said doesn't match the headline nor the rhetoric of what can only be described as a hit piece:



If Romney HADN'T said exactly this, the play would be say he doesn't have his own ideas and is relying on the bottom of the ticket, the man who won't be in charge, to fill it in.

You know it would be.
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The Ryan Plan is the Republican plan (voted several times in the House) so what's the harm in Romney endorsing it? Could it possibly be that it's too extreme? And shouldn't Romney be more forthcoming with his own plan?
 
pbrauer said:
The Ryan Plan is the Republican plan (voted several times in the House) so what's the harm in Romney endorsing it?
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He did endorse it. He said it was a great start, or "right direction."


And shouldn't Romney be more forthcoming with his own plan?
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I don't even know what this means. He said he's putting one together, and the approach he'll take. Was Obama "forthcoming" with one at this point in 2008? No.

Come on, Pete. You know darn well if Romney didn't come up with his own plan, he'd catch hell. Likely from you, too.
 
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Harshaw said:
Come on, Pete. You know darn well if Romney didn't come up with his own plan, he'd catch hell. Likely from you, too.
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Do you project much, Harshaw?
 
pbrauer said:
Because he knows that the right wing doesn't trust him, so he went out and found the most conservative available and that happens to be Paul Ryan.
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um.... no. Ryan is many things, but "the most conservative one available" is not it. McDonnel, Santorum, Perry, et. al. would have been more conservative choices - Ryan was in favor of Mitch Daniels' "Truce On Social Issues" proposal.
 
pbrauer said:
The Ryan Plan is the Republican plan (voted several times in the House) so what's the harm in Romney endorsing it? Could it possibly be that it's too extreme? And shouldn't Romney be more forthcoming with his own plan?
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He did endorse it. It's just not the exact thing he will do as President. Which is fine - the Ryan plan of 2010 was different from the Ryan plan of 2011, and the Ryan plan of 2012 was different from both.
 
Romney has quickly and effectively taken one line of attack away from the Democrats.

Any Democrats who insist on talking about the Ryan Budget will expose themselves as the hysterical demagogues they truly are.
 
cpwill said:
um.... no. Ryan is many things, but "the most conservative one available" is not it. McDonnel, Santorum, Perry, et. al. would have been more conservative choices - Ryan was in favor of Mitch Daniels' "Truce On Social Issues" proposal.
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You're distinguishing social conservatives from fiscal conservatives.
 
Mycroft said:
Romney has quickly and effectively taken one line of attack away from the Democrats.

Any Democrats who insist on talking about the Ryan Budget will expose themselves as the hysterical demagogues they truly are.
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Really? Why is that?
 
Mycroft said:
Why is what?
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Um, referring to your statement that I quoted: "Any Democrats who insist on talking about the Ryan Budget will expose themselves as the hysterical demagogues they truly are."

Why is talking about the Ryan budget a sign of hysterical demagoguery?
 
There is nothing I enjoy more than laughing at the participants of a liberal mental masturbation circle jerk. lol…. This is some funny stuff….the stuff I would probably dream up if I was a liberal with nothing positive to say about Obama.

It must suck to be you.
 
AdamT said:
Um, referring to your statement that I quoted: "Any Democrats who insist on talking about the Ryan Budget will expose themselves as the hysterical demagogues they truly are."

Why is talking about the Ryan budget a sign of hysterical demagoguery?
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You quoted two of my statements, so thank you for identifying which of my statements you were questioning.

Because of Romney's statement, the Ryan Budget is a non-issue and until Romney reveals his own budget, Democrats will simply be trying to wrongly associate Romney to Ryan's Budget if they continue to talk about it.

Definition of DEMAGOGUE
1
: a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power
Demagogue - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Definition of HYSTERIA
2
: behavior exhibiting overwhelming or unmanageable fear or emotional excess <political hysteria>
Hysterical - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

They will use false claims to engender popular prejudices to incite overwhelming fear among the voting public. And Romney will easily be able to dismiss their actions.
 
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You're distinguishing social conservatives from fiscal conservatives.
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Not really, Perry, for example, is no big-central-government fella.

Ryan is actually, as far as it goes, not that far right wing. I know whoever the pick was that democrats have to say that he's some kind of right wing raving nutjob (but they would have said that about anybody), because trying to describe Mitt Romney that way only makes people giggle. But it's crap. Ryan is less conservative than other big names like the ones I mentioned explicitly because he has focused mostly on budgetary issues, demonstrated a willingness (in fact a preference) to work across the aisle, and isn't terribly concerned with pressing a social conservative agenda.
 
pbrauer said:
Because he knows that the right wing doesn't trust him, so he went out and found the most conservative available and that happens to be Paul Ryan.
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Conservatives would vote in a tomato can over Obama

This election will be about Obama's record. Period.

Edit: Is Barack Obama running on Joe Biden's budget? The OP premise is rather silly. Obama's proposed budget for fiscal yer 2012 was 3.7 Trillion dollars.
 
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Bronson said:
Conservatives would vote in a tomato can over Obama
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No, they wouldn't. Many in my family are staunch conservatives and will not be voting for Romney.

Do us all a favor, quit acting like you speak for ALL conservatives, you look foolish in doing so.
 
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