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Ryan's Medicare plan is NONPARTISAN

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Do people even realize that the "RYAN MEDICARE PLAN" was actually co-written as a bipartisan bill? Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon co-wrote the medicare plan with Paul Ryan.

Both Wyden and Ryan received complaints from their own parties for compromising and writing this bill together, but they did it anyway. The person that runs medicare thinks it is a good idea, and the congressional budget office says it would drastically reduce medicare spending without lowering benefits for anyone.

Why, other than to win an election, are democrats demonizing this great idea that is bipartisan and everyone agrees would work???
 
Dude, do you really think the fascists will believe you? Not that you're wrong, but for the simple fact that he's got an R next to his name, the lefty sycophants automatically write him off as practically the antichrist.

There is no "bipartisan" with them. "Bipartisan" to them is "agree with anything we say."
 
that's not always true velvet. to be honest, i've debated with a few very liberal people here that have been honest.
 
Most people remember Ryan's original plan and many aren't aware of the changes he made to get Wyden's support. The revised plan is actually like Obamacare in a number of ways, which is pretty funny given Republicans' supposed abhorence of Obamacare.
 
AdamT said:
Most people remember Ryan's original plan and many aren't aware of the changes he made to get Wyden's support. The revised plan is actually like Obamacare in a number of ways, which is pretty funny given Republicans' supposed abhorence of Obamacare.
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as i recall, you tend to lean to the left. do you support this version of the medicare plan?
 
jdxprs said:
that's not always true velvet. to be honest, i've debated with a few very liberal people here that have been honest.
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So, one Democrat appears to agree with Ryan at some point AND virtually all of the Republicans agree with him and you call that Bipartisan? LOL
 
pbrauer said:
So, one Democrat appears to agree with Ryan at some point AND virtually all of the Republicans agree with him and you call that Bipartisan? LOL
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i call any bill that is WRITTEN by two people, one from each party, a bipartisan written bill. LOL @ anyone who doesnt.
 
AdamT said:
Most people remember Ryan's original plan and many aren't aware of the changes he made to get Wyden's support. The revised plan is actually like Obamacare in a number of ways, which is pretty funny given Republicans' supposed abhorence of Obamacare.
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Good to see you support Ryan's plan AdamT. There might be hope for you yet.
 
jdxprs said:
as i recall, you tend to lean to the left. do you support this version of the medicare plan?
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I think it's certainly 1000% better than Ryan's original plan. I think it's a decent enough plan if we can't have a real single payer system, though I can't imagine why it would appeal to conservatives. Essentially what it does is implement an insurance exchange for Medicare -- just like the Obamacare insurance exchanges. The theory is that this will reduce costs because Medicare recipients will comparison shop and pick the more efficient plans. It won't work for a variety of reasons. What happens then is that an appointed board of experts will make the necessary cuts to control Medicare costs. This, in effect, is the Obamacare IPAB, or what Republicans like to call "death panels". In other words, Ryan's Medicare reform is essentially Obamacare for Medicare.

What we should be doing instead is implementing Medicare for all which would eliminate the real problem with Medicare: doctors can opt out.
 
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jdxprs said:
i call any bill that is WRITTEN by two people, one from each party, a bipartisan written bill. LOL @ anyone who doesnt.
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I agree with this for the most part. It was a bipartisan bill when it was written but politics can get ugly and the democrats care more about getting re-elected, by avoiding making the tough choices, than they do about what is best for the USA.
 
jdxprs said:
i call any bill that is WRITTEN by two people, one from each party, a bipartisan written bill. LOL @ anyone who doesnt.
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The Republican bill from the 90s that formed the basis of Obamacare was bipartisan by your definition.
 
The Medicare plan Ryan and company laid out doesn't matter much to the older folks. When it does matter in 2022 to say my mother, true it is similar to Obamas plan the difference is Obamas covers all Americans. Depending on who you want to believe his plan cost more in the long run to the tax payer while Obamas cost more in the short term. Both has their pros and cons but me, I'd rather go with a pro than a con.
 
AdamT said:
I think it's certainly 1000% better than Ryan's original plan. I think it's a decent enough plan if we can't have a real single payer system, though I can't imagine why it would appeal to conservatives. Essentially what it does is implement an insurance exchange for Medicare -- just like the Obamacare insurance exchanges. The theory is that this will reduce costs because Medicare recipients will comparison shop and pick the more efficient plans. It won't work for a variety of reasons. What happens then is that an appointed board of experts will make the necessary cuts to control Medicare costs. This, in effect, is the Obamacare IPAB, or what Republicans like to call "death panels". In other words, Ryan's Medicare reform is essentially Obamacare for Medicare.

What we should be doing instead is implementing Medicare for all which would eliminate the real problem with Medicare: doctors can opt out.
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i think the key to conservative support is that nobody wants our elderly people eating cat food and dying in the streets. none of the republicans i know are opposed to there being programs to support the retired people in our country. Most people just don't want to support lazy young people that are able but choose not to do for themselves.
 
AdamT said:
The Republican bill from the 90s that formed the basis of Obamacare was bipartisan by your definition.
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i agree with you.....
 
jdxprs said:
i think the key to conservative support is that nobody wants our elderly people eating cat food and dying in the streets. none of the republicans i know are opposed to there being programs to support the retired people in our country. Most people just don't want to support lazy young people that are able but choose not to do for themselves.
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Liberals don't want to support lazy young people either. The difference is that liberals aren't willing to cut off people who are truly down on their luck just to spite the slackers who aren't really that big a problem in the big scheme of things.

Ryan's original Medicare reform plan was really bad but I didn't hear any conservatives bashing it. They only turned against it when it started costing them elections.
 
jdxprs said:
Do people even realize that the "RYAN MEDICARE PLAN" was actually co-written as a bipartisan bill? Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon co-wrote the medicare plan with Paul Ryan.

Both Wyden and Ryan received complaints from their own parties for compromising and writing this bill together, but they did it anyway. The person that runs medicare thinks it is a good idea, and the congressional budget office says it would drastically reduce medicare spending without lowering benefits for anyone.

Why, other than to win an election, are democrats demonizing this great idea that is bipartisan and everyone agrees would work???
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So who is this "person" you claim runs Medicare and thinks the Ryan plan is a good idea? Does he live on earth?

The Center for Economic and Policy Research [1] has released a study, based largely on CBO calculations, suggesting that the Ryan Plan will add trillions of dollars to the cost of Medicare due to the lower efficiency of private insurance as compared to the current Government program...read
http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/ryan-waste-2011-04.pdf



If you were really being "honest" you would have provided a link to your claims, jdxprs. But you didn't.
 
Moot said:
So who is this "person" you claim runs Medicare and thinks the Ryan plan is a good idea? Does he live on earth?

The Center for Economic and Policy Research [1] has released a study, based largely on CBO calculations, suggesting that the Ryan Plan will add trillions of dollars to the cost of Medicare due to the lower efficiency of private insurance as compared to the current Government program...read
http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/ryan-waste-2011-04.pdf



If you were really being "honest" you would have provided a link to your claims, jdxprs. But you didn't.
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ok, i'll go find the links, but did you try to research it yourself? why question my honesty?
 
AdamT said:
I think it's certainly 1000% better than Ryan's original plan. I think it's a decent enough plan if we can't have a real single payer system, though I can't imagine why it would appeal to conservatives. Essentially what it does is implement an insurance exchange for Medicare -- just like the Obamacare insurance exchanges. The theory is that this will reduce costs because Medicare recipients will comparison shop and pick the more efficient plans. It won't work for a variety of reasons. What happens then is that an appointed board of experts will make the necessary cuts to control Medicare costs. This, in effect, is the Obamacare IPAB, or what Republicans like to call "death panels". In other words, Ryan's Medicare reform is essentially Obamacare for Medicare.

What we should be doing instead is implementing Medicare for all which would eliminate the real problem with Medicare: doctors can opt out.
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It is nothing like Obamacare in scope. You can’t add millions of people and cut costs like the Obama administration lies would lead us to believe but you can reform Medicare the way Ryan proposes and cut the cost to government while inspiring competition and thereby improving the cost and quality of healthcare.

It is nothing like Obamacare.
 
AdamT said:
Liberals don't want to support lazy young people either. The difference is that liberals aren't willing to cut off people who are truly down on their luck just to spite the slackers who aren't really that big a problem in the big scheme of things.

Ryan's original Medicare reform plan was really bad but I didn't hear any conservatives bashing it. They only turned against it when it started costing them elections.
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Yes they do. Liberals want to support anyone and everyone without regard for how hard they work. If you don’t cut people off, they will live off the government tit forever.
 
jdxprs said:
Do people even realize that the "RYAN MEDICARE PLAN" was actually co-written as a bipartisan bill? Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon co-wrote the medicare plan with Paul Ryan.

Both Wyden and Ryan received complaints from their own parties for compromising and writing this bill together, but they did it anyway. The person that runs medicare thinks it is a good idea, and the congressional budget office says it would drastically reduce medicare spending without lowering benefits for anyone.

Why, other than to win an election, are democrats demonizing this great idea that is bipartisan and everyone agrees would work???
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One Democrat does not equate to "everyone agrees would work". The revised Ryan budget received a 228-191 vote in the House in March 2012. The vote included 10 Republicans (9 more than 1) voting 'no'. Should we conclude, following your logic, that everyone agrees it will NOT work?

I appreciate that the Congress has rigidly bifurcated itself. Please, let us not come to the point that we delude ourselves into thinking that one, two or three guys voting with the other party even remotely constitutes bi-partisan support.
 
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AdamT said:
The Republican bill from the 90s that formed the basis of Obamacare was bipartisan by your definition.
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Actually, looking at the big picture, the argument could be made the "ObamaCare" was a Republican bill sponsored by and supported by the Dems. It is the ultimate bi-partisan bill.
 
upsideguy said:
One Democrat does not equate to "everyone agrees would work". The revised Ryan budget received a 228-191 vote in the House in March 2012. The vote included 10 Republicans (9 more than 1) voting 'no'. Should we conclude, following your logic, that everyone agrees it will NOT work?

I appreciate that the Congress has rigidly bifurcated itself. Please, let us not come to the point that we delude ourselves into thinking that one, two or three guys voting with the other party even remotely constitutes bi-partisan support.
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But of course it does. Do you deny that Obama is a liar? If not, don't bore us with these petty obfuscations of the truth that you seek to pander as a snake oils salesman. We see the truth and you do not speak it sir.
 
upsideguy said:
Actually, looking at the big picture, the argument could be made the "ObamaCare" was a Republican bill sponsored by and supported by the Dems. It is the ultimate bi-partisan bill.
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Snake oil!!!
You can try to sell it around here if you like, and there are plenty who will buy it, but the people of the United States of America are smarter than carpetbaggers like you who seek to prey on the weak as a buzzard or parasite does, while destroying the wealth of this nation only to kill the host in the end. What will you do when you have destroyed the wealth in this nation? Eat your young?
 
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