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Team Romney Scares Conservatives By Touting ‘Romneycare’

TurtleDude said:
saving America requires voting Obama and the dem senate leadership out of office
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Yes, that is the pathetic rationale for your team's abdication of responsibility.
 
AdamT said:
Yes, that is the pathetic rationale for your team's abdication of responsibility.
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More and more government and more and more class warfare appears to be the parasite support team's answer to everything


Lenin has a word for those who are the hoi polloi who support Obama thinking he is going to help the losers, the failures, and the also rans

Useful fools
 
TurtleDude said:
More and more government and more and more class warfare appears to be the parasite support team's answer to everything
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Only you could try to castigate someone for "class warfare" while calling 99% of the country "parasites". :lamo
 
hazlnut said:
Obama does not have a record? So all the things his critics attack and his supporter praise, they don't exist?
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May want to go back and re-read what I said...

He has a record... but not one he can run on...

- $16T in debt, $5T added under this administration, both the highest increase in history... forcing the debt cieling to be raised 5 times!
- Rising 8.3% unemployment, which has been over 8% for 3.5yrs since Obama said it wouldn't go over 8% if he was given $800B for ARRA
- Gasoline prices upwards of $3.50/gal in most of the country... Airline fares up, local transportation authorities raising prices, etc.
- A sharp decline in workforce participation rate, down over 2% points, a worse decline than any recorded by 1.5% points...
- More people on welfare than at any time in US history...
etc.

aren't exactly positive campaign slogans...


Even on this particular issue...

ACA = controversial, secretly concocted, 1-sided, single-payer system, destined to increase spending by over $100B/yr, challenged in the Supreme Court but upheld through a very flawed ruling that infuriated many, creates unecessary tax penalties on struggling businesses, and is yet to be proven to work functionally...

CommonwealthCare = a collaborate effort of bi-partisanship and corporate-public partnership, dropped the cost of healthcare spending for the government, was passed by a wide margin with heavy support from both sides, never challenged in the Supreme Court, insured the highest percentage of Americans in any state in the union, and actually is working successfully in practice currently...


Obama can't run on ObamaCare... Romney could run on CommonwealthCare...
 
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AdamT said:
Only you could try to castigate someone for "class warfare" while calling 99% of the country "parasites". :lamo
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99% of the country does not demand others pay more taxes so they can reap the benefits

try again you are lying
 
AdamT said:
What decent American has as his No. 1 goal making Obama a one-term president ... when the country is facing a once-in-three-generations recession?
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Easy... All of us who care about our country, and want the guy in the White House out of it... so we can put someone in it who knows what he is doing when handling fiscal nightmares...

Thanks for making our case for us...

Such dire economic times, necessitate an economic specialist... not a lightweight smooth talking lawyer with no business experience...
 
IndepCentristMA said:
The conservatives who stopped listening to Romney represent the useless 5% of the population... Who cares... There are some 15-20% of us in the middle who wouldn't vote for a strict right-wing nut job, and you'd lose everytime running that way...

Besides... any person who would call themselves conservative, and would support the re-election of Obama over Romney, calling Romney a Socialist POS really needs to get their head checked... Obama is a "Socialist POS"... Whereas you differ with Romney on a select few issues, but overall are fighting for the same thing...
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What I think you are missing is that many conservatives don't want to go back to the Bush years like you. They have realized that Bush neocon Republicans are worse than Democrats. they spend more and they like to get involved in expensive foreign wars. As crazy as they may be, they are thinking clearer than you.

Romney is loath to mention Bush on the campaign trail, for obvious reasons, but today they sound like ideological soul mates on foreign policy. Listening to Romney, you’d never know that Bush left office bogged down by two unpopular wars that cost America dearly in blood and treasure. Of Romney’s forty identified foreign policy advisers, more than 70 percent worked for Bush. Many hail from the neoconservative wing of the party, were enthusiastic backers of the Iraq War and are proponents of a US or Israeli attack on Iran. Christopher Preble, a foreign policy expert at the Cato Institute, says, “Romney’s likely to be in the mold of George W. Bush when it comes to foreign policy if he were elected.” On some key issues, like Iran, Romney and his team are to the right of Bush. Romney’s embrace of the neoconservative cause—even if done cynically to woo the right—could turn into a policy nightmare if he becomes president.
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Mitt Romney's Neocon War Cabinet | The Nation
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Easy... All of us who care about our country, and want the guy in the White House out of it... so we can put someone in it who knows what he is doing when handling fiscal nightmares...

Thanks for making our case for us...

Such dire economic times, necessitate an economic specialist... not a lightweight smooth talking lawyer with no business experience...
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Yep, what we really need is a greedy, pathological liar with no core values aside from self promotion and a daddy complex.
 
iguanaman said:
What I think you are missing is that many conservatives don't want to go back to the Bush years like you. They have realized that Bush neocon Republicans are worse than Democrats. they spend more and they like to get involved in expensive foreign wars. As crazy as they may be, they are thinking clearer than you.



Mitt Romney's Neocon War Cabinet | The Nation
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Pssst... Obama hired Bill Gates (a Bushie), and promoted Petraeus (a Bushie)... Kept GITMO open, used pre-emptive strike on Libya, expanded the war in afghanistan with AFPAK, etc.

If foreign policy differences with Bush is your thing, you're no fan of Obama, he's been Bush III in that regard...

Besides... EVERYONE knows this election is about the economy, getting the fiscal situation in order, and freeing the reigns up on businesses so they can thrive and hire Americans to get us back working again...

And both Democrats and Republicans alike all know Romney is the better candidate in that regards...
 
AdamT said:
Yep, what we really need is a greedy, pathological liar with no core values aside from self promotion and a daddy complex.
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that is based on

1) what your dem masters tell you to say

2) George Soros' talking points

3) projection?

what an idiotic claim but consistent with the Obama slurpers who claim Romney killed that pathetic asshole's wife
 
AdamT said:
Yep, what we really need is a greedy, pathological liar with no core values aside from self promotion and a daddy complex.
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Yep, the guy more qualified than the lost dope fiend that has broken every promise he made during the last campaign, left the country in ruin, and has no answers or ideas on how to get us out of it (and given the bad ones he's used so far, we are in some ways glad about that)...

You know... the one who actually has balanced budgets... created sustainable growth... put people back to work when their companies were failing...

Romney... not Obama...
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Yep, the guy more qualified than the lost dope fiend that has broken every promise he made during the last campaign, left the country in ruin, and has no answers or ideas on how to get us out of it (and given the bad ones he's used so far, we are in some ways glad about that)...

You know... the one who actually has balanced budgets... created sustainable growth... put people back to work when their companies were failing...

Romney... not Obama...
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You're talking about Romney? The guy who lies every time he opens his yap? How was 47th out of 50 in job creation? Who trailed the country in unemployment? Who left office with a Bushesque approval rating? Who flip flops more than a Chinese gymnast? Who would say or do anything to win an election? Yeah -- good luck promoting that guy. :lamo
 
AdamT said:
You're talking about Romney? The guy who lies every time he opens his yap? How was 47th out of 50 in job creation? Who trailed the country in unemployment? Who left office with a Bushesque approval rating? Who flip flops more than a Chinese gymnast? Who would say or do anything to win an election? Yeah -- good luck promoting that guy. :lamo
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since Romney does not lie every time "he opens his yap" that means you are a liar.

the fact is -your little novelty token whose election made hand wringing PC guilty whites feel so good about themselves has proven to be an abject failure.

the fad has worn out. You all can still pretend to be sophisticated at your move on cocktail parties. You all proved to yourselves that you could be "enlightened" by voting for an incompetent black. The joke is over

time to put the adults back in charge
 
AdamT said:
You're talking about Romney? The guy who lies every time he opens his yap?
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You must be talking about Obama at Selma...



The guy completely lies, straight faced, while pounding the pulpit, insisting he was part of the civil rights struggle... because his parents got together as a result of the march in Selma, AL (in 63), despite being born in 59...

He completely fabricated his entire childhood... and contradicted the words of his book...

You honestly can't even tell me that birth certificate business is legit either...

AdamT said:
How was 47th out of 50 in job creation?
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It was 50th when Romney entered office... and improved each year, ending up 26th in his last year in office...

IT WAS SPECTACULAR!!!

I got a high paying job 1 week after going to a headhunter... Nowadays you gotta go to 2-3 headhunters to get 1 call back to come in for an interview at the headhunters... and rarely if ever get a job on your pay scale...

Certainly much better than Obama creating a sharp decline in the workforce participation rate, thats unprecidented...

AdamT said:
Who trailed the country in unemployment?
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Who did? Certainly wasn't MA... we were below it... at 4.7%...

Which is ages better than the 8%-10% under Obama....

AdamT said:
Who left office with a Bushesque approval rating?
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Let me guess... the Republican Governor of Liberal MA... DURING BUSH... Romney was given BUSH'S APPROVAL RATING AS THE ANTI-BUSH ELECTION BEGAN!!!

and yet... he currently has just as good approval numbers as Obama...

AdamT said:
Who flip flops more than a Chinese gymnast? Who would say or do anything to win an election? Yeah -- good luck promoting that guy. :lamo
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That guy sounds like every politician that ever lived... Including Obama...

The difference is, unlike with most of them Romney has a proven record of success without failure as the chief executive of every single large organization he has ever lead...

Can't say that for Obama... he's never lead anything successfully... cept the campaign against Bush in '08... when Bush wasn't even running...
 
IndepCentristMA said:
You must be talking about Obama at Selma...

The guy completely lies, straight faced, while pounding the pulpit, insisting he was part of the civil rights struggle... because his parents got together as a result of the march in Selma, AL (in 63), despite being born in 59...

He completely fabricated his entire childhood... and contradicted the words of his book...
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You've got to be joking. It's obvious that he was speaking figuratively about Selma as representative of the civil rights movement.

You honestly can't even tell me that birth certificate business is legit either...
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I would say you just jumped the shark, but you've jumped it so many times it would be redundant. :lamo

It was 50th when Romney entered office... and improved each year, ending up 26th in his last year in office...
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It was 47th over the course of Romney's four years. It was something like 38th over the course of the previous four years. That's not improvement.

IT WAS SPECTACULAR!!!
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You are hysterical. :2rofll:

I got a high paying job 1 week after going to a headhunter... Nowadays you gotta go to 2-3 headhunters to get 1 call back to come in for an interview at the headhunters... and rarely if ever get a job on your pay scale...
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Uh, yeah, that was at the height of the real estate bubble ... now we're recovering from the bubble's collapse. This is laughable stuff you're offering up.

Certainly much better than Obama creating a sharp decline in the workforce participation rate, thats unprecidented...
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Wow, Obama created the baby boom and the Great Recession that he inherited from Bush and the Republicans! I did not know that!

Who did? Certainly wasn't MA... we were below it... at 4.7%...
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Hold on my little friend: when Romney took over MA was below the national average in unemployment. By the time he left MA was above the national average in unemployment. What a great record! Unemployment in the U.S. - Google Public Data Explorer

Note, too that MA did far better in terms of unemployment under the Democratic administration that preceeded Romney AND during the Democratic administration that followed him -- relative to the rest of the country.


Let me guess... the Republican Governor of Liberal MA... DURING BUSH... Romney was given BUSH'S APPROVAL RATING AS THE ANTI-BUSH ELECTION BEGAN!!!

and yet... he currently has just as good approval numbers as Obama...
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You mean the people of Massachusettes are so stupid they mistook Romney for Bush? Incredible. Literally. Usually when a state's governor runs for president the state gets behind him. I guess they did with Romney, but they were driving a road grader.

Of course Romney doesn't have a current approval rating as he doesn't have a job ... and hasn't had one for five years ... other than running for president. He does have an unfavorable rating however, that is well ahead of Obamas!
 
AdamT said:
You've got to be joking. It's obvious that he was speaking figuratively about Selma as representative of the civil rights movement.
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One would have to be... since his father didn't get one of Kennedy's scholarships... nor did Hawaii have a civil rights struggle, or Harvard, where his dad was while he was supposedly born... He was in NO WAY connected to the Civil Rights movement... but he sure as hell needed to pretend to be for that election... so he did...

It's also obvious that ALL of his details are COMPLETELY off... It's lie after lie after bold faced lie... Especially when you compare the details of that speech to the false details he also promulgates in his supposed "memoirs"...

AdamT said:
I would say you just jumped the shark, but you've jumped it so many times it would be redundant. :lamo
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mmhmm so you've seen a physical copy of it... right? since one does not exist it isn't possible for you to have... also, we both are too smart to fall for that falsified info on the digital copy of it... which I deal with these types of documents all day... I know what a doctored one looks like...

AdamT said:
It was 47th over the course of Romney's four years. It was something like 38th over the course of the previous four years. That's not improvement.
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Fraudulent information isn't becoming of you... oh wait, it is, youre an Obama supporter...

The 4 years prior to Romney entering into office included the dotcum bubble... hence why a tech savy place like MA would have created a boatload of tech jobs that disappeared when it burst... Romney took over in MA right as that recession was expiring...

So we were 50th when he took over, we were 26th when he left... That's called improvement... by 6 places per year...


AdamT said:
You are hysterical. :2rofll:
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and you asked, as an outsider who doesn't know... I gave you the honest answer from someone who lived through it... and enjoyed it emensely...

AdamT said:
Uh, yeah, that was at the height of the real estate bubble ... now we're recovering from the bubble's collapse. This is laughable stuff you're offering up.
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LMFAO... and it's ridiculous that youre trying to tell me the job I got in 2003 is only the result of the real estate bubble...

Let me ask how you think the highest cost of living in the country in Boston and the 3rd highest property values in the country helped contribute to me getting a high paying job? Whereas now with lowered costs of property, that it's harder to find a decent job?

You do realize how off-base you are tonight, right? Distracted by the Olympics, maybe? Or is it all Obama's false side-stories that have you spinning...


AdamT said:
Wow, Obama created the baby boom and the Great Recession that he inherited from Bush and the Republicans! I did not know that!
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No... he created the least favorable business conditions ever for people in the US...


AdamT said:
Hold on my little friend: when Romney took over MA was below the national average in unemployment. By the time he left MA was above the national average in unemployment. What a great record! Unemployment in the U.S. - Google Public Data Explorer

Note, too that MA did far better in terms of unemployment under the Democratic administration that preceeded Romney AND during the Democratic administration that followed him -- relative to the rest of the country.
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LMFAO... please stop right there... you're embarassing yourself... He was preceeded by Jane Swift (R), who was the Lt. Gov. and acting Governor, after Paul Cellucci (R) resigned from office... You just don't have a clue... time to give it up...

and this is what happened as soon as Mitt Romney left...

Massachusetts unemployment rate rises to 7.4 percent as 4,900 lose jobs in January | masslive.com


Here's the unemployment rate in MA from 2002-2008, which includes his 4 years in office and the 1 year preceding and after his term in office...

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Notice the trough in the middle... that's the period where Romney created jobs and lowered the unemployment rate... bordered by unemployment increasing both before and after he left...

Want to compare with Obama's?

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No trough there... you'd need ice picks on your boots the cross that pass...


I'd take Romney's...

AdamT said:
You mean the people of Massachusettes are so stupid they mistook Romney for Bush? Incredible. Literally. Usually when a state's governor runs for president the state gets behind him. I guess they did with Romney, but they were driving a road grader.

Of course Romney doesn't have a current approval rating as he doesn't have a job ... and hasn't had one for five years ... other than running for president. He does have an unfavorable rating however, that is well ahead of Obamas!
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No... but the people of MA, and many other liberal areas hated Bush so much they took it out on any Republican they could find... which is how the Dems won seats in the 2006 federal elections the 2007 gubernatorial elections and the 2008 federal elections...

The home state of a presidential doesn't always support that candidate... especially when the state is notoriously liberal and the candidate conservative... or vice versa... note Al Gore 2000, liberal candidate did not pull in conservative TN...

Also... don't forget... the hatred of the war and the desire to bring the troops home... MA voters thought that's what Obama was gonna do... boy were they wrong...
 
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So what this is saying was the unemployment rate was rising rapidly for a full year before Obama entered office and stopped rising less than a year after he took office. :) Also that it has gone down steadily since then.

No?
 
Joe51 said:
Kind of like he supported the states right to make decisions about welfare work requirements and forms.... ooops that's not the states right, or is it? I'm thoroughly confused by this guy...
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Actually, I think he'd rather the Federal Government get out of the welfare business. But he would have no heartburn if any particular State wanted their own welfare. Unfortunately, the Federal Government IS in the welfare business, so he has to deal with that money sink as best he can.

My personal wish is that after Romney is elected, he and the Republicans in Congress cut welfare loose from the federal level all together. It would save quite a chunk of change from current federal spending.

In any event, this is the last I'll speak of welfare, since it's entirely off-topic. But rest assured, Joe51, I don't blame you for trying to derail the thread. It's in your best interest to do so.
 
Poor team Romney, they dont know whether to **** or go blind. They have the far right rubbing up against them from behind shooting flames on their neck pushing them to the far right. They have the american people telling them to F off we dont want a far right nutter...So everything they do to appease the voters, piss's off the teaparty and this new far right and when they try to appease the far right nutters he drops in the polls...lol....
Im almost starting to feel sorry for him
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Here's the unemployment rate in MA from 2002-2008, which includes his 4 years in office and the 1 year preceding and after his term in office...

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Notice the trough in the middle... that's the period where Romney created jobs and lowered the unemployment rate... bordered by unemployment increasing both before and after he left...
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Just thought you might find this interesting, the chart for US unemployment for the same time period:
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So either Romney managed to grow jobs all over the country from Mass, or you are giving him credit for something he didn't do.
 
Redress said:
Just thought you might find this interesting, the chart for US unemployment for the same time period:
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So either Romney managed to grow jobs all over the country from Mass, or you are giving him credit for something he didn't do.
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Actually, your chart shows how Romney dropped MA's unemployment level down quicker than the national average...

Romney was very active in getting business into MA... including negotiating the deal that got 3M to build a new plant in MA, and to get the closing Otis and Hancom AFBs converted to research and surveillance facilities to avoid complete closure...

We grew by +20K jobs per year in that time, one of only two states to do so... and that's despite Romney cutting the size of the state workforce, and NH and RI building up Manchester Airport and TF Green Airports to take the demand off of Logan Airport for getting in and out of Boston...

Additionally it shows that unemployment never lowered when he was out of office... unlike Obama, where unemployment has never been as low as before he took office...
 
theseki said:
So what this is saying was the unemployment rate was rising rapidly for a full year before Obama entered office and stopped rising less than a year after he took office. :) Also that it has gone down steadily since then.

No?
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Actually what it shows is that unemployment was rising when Obama took office, at about 7.8 or 9.... then, after he announced that the recession was over, passed ARRA, and bought GM, it surged to a lofty peak rising to its highest under Obama at 10%, then pretty much has remained on that high plateau, rather than going back down to rates near the average...

I mean if unemployment over 8% is okay with you, I guess you could be pleased with Obama... but for most of us that is WAY TOO HIGH... after spending over $15T since he came into office... one expects better...

Where can I find the unemployment rate for previous years?
 
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