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The most dishonest campaign in memory

MaggieD said:
I don't know whether he shut him up or not, but I know Adam's wrong . . .
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Hmm, I wonder why you didn't include a link to your quote, Maggie? Could it be because you quoted from a 1996 CATO Institute study? :lamo

Replacing Welfare

I REALLY expected better of you.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
I agree... Obama and his operatives are running the absolute least honest campaign in history...
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Don't you want to respond to the flat-out LIE that your boy Romney told in the ad that is the subject of this thread? Aren't you the least bit embarrassed to support a guy who can't open his mouth without uttering a lie?
 
AdamT said:
Don't you want to respond to the flat-out LIE that your boy Romney told in the ad that is the subject of this thread? Aren't you the least bit embarrassed to support a guy who can't open his mouth without uttering a lie?
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First off... I don't see it as a flat out lie... I see it as a vague wording semantical distortion which has been part and parcel of this campaign, back and forth from both candidates, camps, parties, etc.

The fact remains, that this is the first time since Clinton signed the welfare reform (which didn't go far enough), where there have been more cases of welfare... They're getting around the right to work legislation by one means or another, and the man at the top who is meant to be enforcing that law, is assisting people bypass it... whether you want to admit to it or not...


However, what's even more pertinent than that is... I SIMPLY DON'T CARE!!! The guy could claim he is an animal lover, while wearing alligator skill boots dyed red from the blood of them after the were slaughtered... It doesn't matter one bit, to me or to like 65%+ of the country...

This election has nothing to do with birth control pills, gay marriage, tax returns, european trips, etc. Those are not priority topics in this election, and the fact that your candidate, his campaign, his party, and his followers keep spending so much time focusing on them, shows how messed up their priorities are as well...

This election boils down to 1 prominant issue, that was supposed to have been addressed 4 years ago... the failing economy...

Your boy had 4 years... he didn't get it done...

We have $16T in debt and rising, rising 8.3% unemployment, $3.50+/gal gasoline prices in most areas of the country, a sinking workforce participation rate, a stagnant and slowing GDP which is less than inflation atm... We are in Obama's recession... Despite spending $5T, he's put us in a recession...

IDGAF about some partisan hackery semantical argument about Obama's pro-welfare platform... You know damn well Obama would be giving away far more on welfare than he already has if he could get away with it... It stopped when the Republicans took over the Congress, not when Obama said no...

This election is about who is going to fix this economy, and the socialist bent on wealth distribution hasn't gotten it done... no wonder... he has no business sense, or experience, or knowledge of how to run profitable enterprises... be they business oriented, non-governmental agencies, or governments themselves... he just doesn't know what he is doing...

Mitt Romney does... He's proven so time and time again, as a CEO in many different facets, he has proven, without failing once... that he can create growth, balance budgets, create jobs, create companies, turn poor performing organizations around, manage large scale construction projects wisely, create bi-partisan legislation that gets to the root of a problem and solves it, without being divisive or creating enemies...

That's the right man for the job...
 
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IndepCentristMA said:
First off... I don't see it as a flat out lie... I see it as a vague wording semantical distortion which has been part and parcel of this campaign, back and forth from both candidates, camps, parties, etc.
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Sorry, but it is a flat-out lie and there is no way around that.

The fact remains, that this is the first time since Clinton signed the welfare reform (which didn't go far enough), where there have been more cases of welfare...
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Well duh. Maybe you haven't noticed, but we're coming out of the worst recession since WWII?

They're getting around the right to work legislation by one means or another, and the man at the top who is meant to be enforcing that law, is assisting people bypass it... whether you want to admit to it or not...
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And you just repeated the lie. Obviously it wouldn't bother you that Romney is a liar. :lamo

In point of fact, in order to qualify for one of these waivers a state's governor has to pledge that his or her proposed changes will result in at least a 20% IMPROVEMENT in welfare to work peformance.
 
AdamT said:
Sorry, but it is a flat-out lie and there is no way around that.



Well duh. Maybe you haven't noticed, but we're coming out of the worst recession since WWII?



And you just repeated the lie. Obviously it wouldn't bother you that Romney is a liar. :lamo

In point of fact, in order to qualify for one of these waivers a state's governor has to pledge that his or her proposed changes will result in at least a 20% IMPROVEMENT in welfare to work peformance.
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on the subject of lies, Adam.

I have been to 57 states
I will put the healthcare debate on c-span
I will have no lobbyists in my adminsitration
corpseman
I will cut the debt in half in my first term
unemployment will be under 8% if we pass stimulus
"it worked"
Romney paid no income taxes for 10 years


What Romney said in that add is true, Barry has undone the welfare reforms passed and signed by Clinton. and he bypassed congress when he did it.
 
Bobcat said:
What Romney said in that add is true, Barry has undone the welfare reforms passed and signed by Clinton. and he bypassed congress when he did it.
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No, Romney lied and your weak diversions don't change that one bit.
 
AdamT said:
Yes, absolutely as compared to any other campaign by either party that I can recall.

I'm not a fan of negative ads, but just because an ad is negative doesn't mean that it has to be dishonest and hypocritical. Is lying not a sin in the Mormon faith?
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You mean like the Obama ad blaming Romney for a woman's death dying YEARS after Romney had left Bain?

No surprise you'd toss in religious bigotry on behalf of the most openly racist president since Andrew Jackson.
 
Tigger said:
I haven't seen anything other than a negative ad in more than 20 years, Adam. This is, unfortunately, what American Politics is about these days. I saw it in the introduction to politics I had back in 1990, before I was even allowed to vote, and it hasn't gotten any better since.
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I've been voting in federal elections since 71 when they changed the law (I was twenty at the time and already serving in the Army). I've seen a whole lot of nasty negative political ads since. Looking back through American history, now is no exception (if you factor in radically increased communications). Some of the famous ones:
"My opponent is a practising homo sapien!"
"My opponent is a practising thesbian!"

Or pretty much any political ad from Lincoln/Douglas or going farther back, Tammany Hall.
 
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AdamT said:
No, Romney lied and your weak diversions don't change that one bit.
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:lamo From the king proponent of the campaign of weak diversions, that's absolutley hilarious...

BTW... I havent noticed that we are coming out of a weak economy... It looks to me like we have a weakening economy... I got more than a dozen family members out of work, 3/4ths of them with college degrees...

(Also, I'm not sure if you noticed this... but Bush had a recession and still the amount of welfare cases declined)

Still... all your BS side topics don't change the fact that the economy is in a free fall under and as a result of Obama...

$5T added to the debt, after $15T spent under his administration... and we have a rising 8.3% unemployment rate, a slowing GDP that is growing slower than the rate of inflation, and a sharply declining workforce participation rate... with many people all over the country and gasoline prices over $3.50/gal...

Safe to say, your boy is a failure... Weak diversions from his failures or not...

(my guess is that the growing number of out of work won't be voting for Obama...)
 
joko104 said:
You mean like the Obama ad blaming Romney for a woman's death dying YEARS after Romney had left Bain?

No surprise you'd toss in religious bigotry on behalf of the most openly racist president since Andrew Jackson.
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That's not an Obama ad; it's a super pac ad. BIG difference.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
:lamo From the king proponent of the campaign of weak diversions, that's absolutley hilarious...
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... and everything that follows ^^^^ is a weak diversion, which is indeed hilarious. :lamo

Romney is a serial liar and that is a big problem. Nothing he says can be trusted.
 
AdamT said:
... and everything that follows ^^^^ is a weak diversion, which is indeed hilarious. :lamo

Romney is a serial liar and that is a big problem. Nothing he says can be trusted.
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Romney = politician... Obama = politician... Guess what... they're both saying things to get elected right now... no difference...

Well... theres a big difference...

ROMNEY CAN BE TRUSTED TO CLOSE THE DEFICIT, PAY DOWN THE DEBT, CREATE GROWTH, AND FIX THE DIRE FISCAL SITUATION WE ARE IN... AS HE HAS TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WITHOUT FAIL...

(can't say the same for Obama)...
 
AdamT said:
Unbelievable! Romney strikes again with another lying, absolutely hypocritical campaign ad. This time Romney starts:



So first, this is a lie. In fact the rule change by itself doesn't change a thing with respect to work requirements. What it in fact does is provide states with the opportunity to apply for waivers that would give them more flexibility in implementing the work requirement. The work requirement is in no way "dropped".

Second, this is a change that Romney LOBBIED FOR when he was governor of Massachusettes! :doh
He and every other Republican governor in the United States signed a letter to President Bush requesting the implementation of just such waivers. Obviously the idea of giving more responsibility to the states is a quintessentially Republican notion.

"Romney 2012: I'm a lying hypocrite -- won't you vote for me?"
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this is going to be the most negative campaign in U.S.history and yet you have the gall to attack Romney over being truthful. Obama's PAC claims Romney is a murderer, that Romney wants to take money from the poor to give to the rich, and wants to polute the air and kill seniors. If you support these lies you are part of the problem and are dispicable. Romney wants the states to have more control over the work for welfare program but that isn't want the ads say or what you are trying to say. Typical leftwing desparation to keep from addressing the Obama record which is a disaster as is this President. Seems that all you can do is throw mud.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Romney = politician... Obama = politician... Guess what... they're both saying things to get elected right now... no difference...

Well... theres a big difference...

ROMNEY CAN BE TRUSTED TO CLOSE THE DEFICIT, PAY DOWN THE DEBT, CREATE GROWTH, AND FIX THE DIRE FISCAL SITUATION WE ARE IN... AS HE HAS TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WITHOUT FAIL...

(can't say the same for Obama)...
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Why, because he says so? He's a liar. Because of his track record? Every MA governor balances the budget, as required by the MA constitution. He was 47th in the nation in job creation. He trailed the national average in unemployment. He left office with a Bush-like 34% approval rating. Even if you believe what he says, he just wants to reconstitute the disastrous Bush policies.
 
AdamT said:
Why, because he says so? He's a liar. Because of his track record? Every MA governor balances the budget, as required by the MA constitution. He was 47th in the nation in job creation. He trailed the national average in unemployment. He left office with a Bush-like 34% approval rating. Even if you believe what he says, he just wants to reconstitute the disastrous Bush policies.
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No, the ad is a lie as Fact-Check points out but you choose to take the Obama talking points as Romney left office with significant job losses ranking 47th. Obama is the liar and it is Obama that has the record that you want to run from.

■The ad states that job creation in Massachusetts “fell” to 47th under Romney. That’s a bit misleading. Massachusetts’ state ranking for job growth went from 50th the year before he took office, to 28th in his final year. It was 47th for the whole of his four-year tenure, but it was improving, not declining, when he left.
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pbrauer said:
It sure is.
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You really don't understand responsibility, do you. It is Obama's responsibility to make sure surrogates don't mislead the electorate and unless he denounces it, it is his ad
 
Bobcat said:
only if obama denounces it-----if he does not have it pulled, its his and he is responsible
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Conservative said:
You really don't understand responsibility, do you. It is Obama's responsibility to make sure surrogates don't mislead the electorate and unless he denounces it, it is his ad
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LOL is Mittens going to denounce the dishonest ads by Rove's American Crossroads?
 
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Conservative said:
You really don't understand responsibility, do you. It is Obama's responsibility to make sure surrogates don't mislead the electorate and unless he denounces it, it is his ad
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Obama is legally prohibited from controlling a super pac. He doesn't support everything in the world that he hasn't specifically denounced. :roll:
 
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