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Since We're All Interested In Full Disclosure (Obama's College Records)

washunut said:
Was anyone claiming that Palin was the next coming or was the brightest person on earth.

These transcripts will be damning because they will probably show that Obama is a normal bright guy.

Not sure why you are so defensive on this point.
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Just curious if those demanding Obama's transcripts were concerned about Palin's.

Of the two candidates, Romney and Obama, I think both had above average grades. Really doubt you would see a "F" which would give some of you an orgasm.

But of all the president and vice president candidates I think Palin's transcripts from the 6 colleges she went to would be the most damming.
 
Crosscheck said:
I bet you were one of those clamoring for the release of Palin's college transcripts in 08.
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Maybe you don't remember the discussions about Palin's very average college education. Here's a refresher: Sarah Palin's Extensive College Career - The Paper Trail (usnews.com)

Also in 2008, many breathless, tingly remarks were made about how brilliant Obama is and how he was an editor-of-the-Harvard-Law-Review, OMG! Of course, people are curious--jurists and other scholars would naturally want to read Obama's publications if there were any. Here is a letter to one of the law school newspapers, however, which states:

I must say, however, that as someone who has undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career, and as someone who may have benefited from the Law Review’s affirmative action policy when I was selected to join the Review last year, I have not personally felt stigmatized either within the broader law school community or as a staff member of the Review. Indeed, my election last year as President of the Review would seem to indicate that at least among Review staff, and hopefully for the majority of professors at Harvard, affirmative action in no way tarnishes the accomplishments of those who are members of historically underrepresented groups.

Record Retrospective: Obama on affirmative action | The Record

So, yes, some have always been curious about the extent to which Obama benefited from affirmative action. What was he talking about here? It's human nature to be curious when there is a "mystery."

Some people are just always going to think too that there must be something to hide if a secret is being kept. Nothing to be done about this. It does seem to me that in this "info-age," transparency is ultimately so much easier.
 
Crosscheck said:
Just curious if those demanding Obama's transcripts were concerned about Palin's.

Of the two candidates, Romney and Obama, I think both had above average grades. Really doubt you would see a "F" which would give some of you an orgasm.

But of all the president and vice president candidates I think Palin's transcripts from the 6 colleges she went to would be the most damming.
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If I remember correctly, Palin's educational records were published.

But the question is not obama's grades, its how he got the money for tuition at three very expensive schools.
 
Bobcat said:
Cute, but not accurate. Romney has released two years of tax returns, Obama has released zero college records.
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Of course Romney released what he felt was "safe". Why won't he release the rest? Because of what you said earlier and that's the same reason Obama won't release his.

The funny part is you support dirty politics because you still will be voting for Romney. I won't be voting for Obama.
 
Bobcat said:
If I remember correctly, Palin's educational records were published.

But the question is not obama's grades, its how he got the money for tuition at three very expensive schools.
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You don't remember correctly.

What difference does it make how Obama paid for college (he's mentioned student loans before)?
 
Bronson said:
We know Romney paid 2,800,000 in taxes in one year. He is going to release 2 years of tax returns. So why does an additional 10 years matter?

So let's compare. 2 years of Romney Tax records. How many years of College Transcripts has Obama released?
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It matters because he clearly has something to hide. Even the people he was running against thought so.
 
AdamT said:
You don't remember correctly.

What difference does it make how Obama paid for college (he's mentioned student loans before)?
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It's all very weird. Out of 400 classmates, the number who can recall him is.... zero. Even members of the same academic program say they never saw him. For a man who wrote two autobiographies before he ever really accomplished anything, the period is... surprisingly sparsely recorded.
 
liblady said:
It matters because he clearly has something to hide. Even the people he was running against thought so.
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I don't live in a glass house where everyone on the outside can see in. Does that mean I have something to hide or does that mean I like my privacy?

The main problem I have with all of this is if you think Romney should release more, than get your lawmakers to support making a rule that more tax records have to be released.

The ONLY reason people want Romney to release his tax records is because they want to nitpick at ANYTHING in there. Same for those that want Obama's college records.

I agree with most people, the IMPORTANT issues SHOULD be how are we going to lower the debt, how are we going to lower the unemployment, and how are we going to fix the economy.

Tell me, does release Romney's tax records or Obama's college records fix any of those IMPORTANT issues?
 
cpwill said:
It's all very weird. Out of 400 classmates, the number who can recall him is.... zero. Even members of the same academic program say they never saw him. For a man who wrote two autobiographies before he ever really accomplished anything, the period is... surprisingly sparsely recorded.
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And you take the word of a guy who claims he knows virtually all of his 1,200 classmates? :lol:

I went to a college with a smaller class at about the same time and I doubt that I could recall 5% of my classmates.
 
AdamT said:
And you take the word of a guy who claims he knows virtually all of his 1,200 classmates?
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:) coming from a guy who leaped on the word of an unnamed guy who claimed to be an investor on the phone?

I went to a college with a smaller class at about the same time and I doubt that I could recall 5% of my classmates.
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I was a history major - I can recall the faces of the folks in my class that were in my major, and still keep in regular touch with several of them.
 
AdamT said:
And you take the word of a guy who claims he knows virtually all of his 1,200 classmates? :lol:


I went to a college with a smaller class at about the same time and I doubt that I could recall 5% of my classmates.
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There are just all these questions about Obama and his collage days, it would just all go away if he only released all his school records. I mean if he has nothing to hide then why not release them. How many times have you heard that line from you liberals asking Romney for his tax records.

Root: Obama


The first question I’d ask is, if you had great grades, why would you seal your records? So let’s assume Obama got poor grades. Why not release the records? He’s president of the free world, for gosh sakes. He’s commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. Who’d care about some poor grades from three decades ago, right? So then what’s the problem? Doesn’t that make the media suspicious? Something doesn’t add up.

Secondly, if he had poor grades at Occidental, how did he get admitted to an Ivy League university in the first place? And if his grades at Columbia were awful, how’d he ever get into Harvard Law School? So again those grades must have been great, right? So why spend millions to keep them sealed?

Third, how did Obama pay for all these fancy schools without coming from a wealthy background? If he had student loans or scholarships, would he not have to maintain good grades?

I can only think of one answer that would explain this mystery.

Here’s my gut belief: Obama got a leg up by being admitted to both Occidental and Columbia as a foreign exchange student. He was raised as a young boy in Indonesia. But did his mother ever change him back to a U.S. citizen? When he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii or as he neared college-age preparing to apply to schools, did he ever change his citizenship back? I’m betting not.

If you could unseal Obama’s Columbia University records I believe you’d find that:

A) He rarely ever attended class.

B) His grades were not those typical of what we understand it takes to get into Harvard Law School.

C) He attended Columbia as a foreign exchange student.

D) He paid little for either undergraduate college or Harvard Law School because of foreign aid and scholarships given to a poor foreign students like this kid Barry Soetoro from Indonesia.

If you think I’m “fishing” then prove me wrong. Open up your records Mr. President. What are you afraid of?

If it’s okay for U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to go on a fishing expedition about Romney’s taxes (even though he knows absolutely nothing about them nor will release his own), then I think I can do the same thing. But as Obama’s Columbia Class of ’83 classmate, at least I have more standing to make educated guesses.

It’s time for Mitt to go on the attack and call Obama’s bluff.

Wayne Allyn Root is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and the author of “The Conscience of a Libertarian.” Read more at his website: Wayne Allyn Root's Website
 
I don't care about transcripts.
I don't care about tax returns.
I don't care about long form birth certificates.
I don't care how many houses they have.
I don't care how much Secret Service has to spend when a President goes on vacation.
I don't care how much was spent on a damn horse.
I don't care about verbal bloopers they make (how many would you make if you were on video all the time)

I
Don't
Care

What will he do or has done as President is all I care about.
 
cpwill said:
:) coming from a guy who leaped on the word of an unnamed guy who claimed to be an investor on the phone?
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Actually, what I said is that I give no credence to the claim of Reid's unnamed source, but I wouldn't expect you to tell the truth.

I was a history major - I can recall the faces of the folks in my class that were in my major, and still keep in regular touch with several of them.
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Perhaps. I doubt that I could recognize even 5% of my classmates who were in my major. I'm still close friends with four or five people I went to college with, but none of them were actually in my class.

In any case, all of this nonsense is premised on the whackjob notion that Obama didn't actually go to Columbia, which is no less stupid than the birther nonsense. snopes.com: Barack Obama at Columbia
 
What if I never cared about tax returns OR college records? I can't vote, can I? :(
 
Objective Voice said:
A little perspective...

Pushing for President Obama to release his college transcripts makes sense only when the emphasis is on education. In that regard, the GOP missed their opportunity to make non-release of his transcripts an issue each time he pushed his education agenda or spoke out on the importance of education K-12 and beyond.

Romney's tax returns are important to alot of people for the following reasons:

1) Hypocricy. We've heard the argument from Republican voters and politicians alike concerning low income wage earners who don't pay federal income taxes yet receive a tax return. How would it look to the American people if it turns out that the presumptive GOP presidential nominee hasn't paid any federal income taxes for one year let alone a decade?

2) Fairness. President Obama has made a very good argument on the issue of fairness in our tax code. Most people would agree that it's unfair that a person making millions only pays 15% in taxes when the majority of his earnings is derived from capital gains (investment income) when a person who earns a salary working a typical 9-5 jobs pays upwards of 29% in federal income taxes. Most people know there's something inherantly wrong with that.

3) Patriotism. Most people see it as unpatriotic when a person doesn't pay his taxes. In most cases, such a view goes along with those who commit tax evasion. They know that such an act is criminal. On the contrary, it's okay for a person who happens to be a multi-millionaire to use tax loopholes and tax shelters to legally avoid paying taxes. Notice what I said here: It's one thing to use tax loopholes (i.e., pre-tax earnings, charitable and federally authorized tax contributions, tax credits, etc.) to reduce your taxable liability but still pay some federal income taxes. It's completely another to use tax loopholes to completely avoid paying taxes. The problem is made problematic when you're a political candidate who supports maintaining or lowering the tax rate for the wealthiest wage earners while not giving similar support to those at the bottom of the economic ladder. It gets worse if/when it is confirmed that said political candidate moved his money off-shore and hid it in tax shelters abroad to avoid paying taxes.

So, let's keep things in perspective, folks. Trying to go tit-for-tat on record disclosure only works IF you use the same matrix as a comparison. Try as you might to gig the President on principle where his college transcripts are concerned, the two really don't quite measure up to the same level of public scrutiny.
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Obama hasn't made a case for ****. Let me know when he drafts a bill to the House to revise the tax code. Until then, it's all just worthless lip service to prod the Mental Midgets on the left to get into line like good minions. Clearly, you've fallen for it. In other words, your post is worthless tripe.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
1. If you're trying to suggest that liberals are all hypocrites because they want Romney to release stuff but not Obama, you must also consider that many conservatives couldn't care less about Romney's taxes yet have been whining about Obama's college transcripts for four years.
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Romney has released tax records. We know he paid 2,800,000 in taxes in one year. We know nothing about Obama's time at Columbia. How he got in, especially if his grades were so poor at Occidental. He wrote in his "biography" that he was a heavy drug user, so how did he get in? Score Romney 1 Obama 0

I find it absolutely hilarious that Harry Reid says some "anonymous Bain investor" called him and told him Romney hasn't paid taxes for 10 years. It's not plausible for an investor to even know this, it's obvious Reid is lying and playing gutter politics, but that doesn't stop dishonest liberal hacks from clogging up the front page whining about Romney's tax records. You're right. I could give a crap about Romney's tax records. We're at 15% Real Unemployment and Obama doesn't want to talk about because then he'd have to field questions from the MSM like "Why haven't you resigned yet in disgrace?"

2. I don't think that any political candidate should be forced to releases college transcripts or tax records, but if people want to see them, I think the smart thing for them to do would be release them. The reason Romney is getting so much **** is because it's standard procedure to release them, while you can't say the same thing about college transcripts. Romney is free to not release them while Obama is free not to release his college records. Their opponents are free to attack them for it.
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The smart thing to do would be to not release them. Obviously you're not very politically savvy. We know how Axlerod and Obama Campaign. Smear your opponent and lie about them to create the narrative and impression that they'd be a worse choice than Obama. I suppose when you're a "clean articulate Black Man" as Joe Biden put it, running for office with no accomplishments, promises, and emotional platitudes/images of Hope and Change, that strategy will work, but when you're an absolute failure with 15% Real Unemployment not so much.
 
Bobcat said:
its also very expensive. Obama did not come from a wealthy family. How did he pay that very expensive tuition?
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Scholorships and loans, he said it in his speech.
 
Bronson said:
Romney has released tax records. We know he paid 2,800,000 in taxes in one year. We know nothing about Obama's time at Columbia. How he got in, especially if his grades were so poor at Occidental. He wrote in his "biography" that he was a heavy drug user, so how did he get in? Score Romney 1 Obama 0

I find it absolutely hilarious that Harry Reid says some "anonymous Bain investor" called him and told him Romney hasn't paid taxes for 10 years. It's not plausible for an investor to even know this, it's obvious Reid is lying and playing gutter politics, but that doesn't stop dishonest liberal hacks from clogging up the front page whining about Romney's tax records. You're right. I could give a crap about Romney's tax records. We're at 15% Real Unemployment and Obama doesn't want to talk about because then he'd have to field questions from the MSM like "Why haven't you resigned yet in disgrace?"



The smart thing to do would be to not release them. Obviously you're not very politically savvy. We know how Axlerod and Obama Campaign. Smear your opponent and lie about them to create the narrative and impression that they'd be a worse choice than Obama. I suppose when you're a "clean articulate Black Man" as Joe Biden put it, running for office with no accomplishments, promises, and emotional platitudes/images of Hope and Change, that strategy will work, but when you're an absolute failure with 15% Real Unemployment not so much.
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You should change your political views from undisclosed, to very conservative.
 
Glideslope said:
Obama hasn't made a case for ****. Let me know when he drafts a bill to the House to revise the tax code. Until then, it's all just worthless lip service to prod the Mental Midgets on the left to get into line like good minions. Clearly, you've fallen for it. In other words, your post is worthless tripe.
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Huh, it's interesting how you result to verbal abuse.
 
Born Free said:
There are just all these questions about Obama and his collage days, it would just all go away if he only released all his school records. I mean if he has nothing to hide then why not release them. How many times have you heard that line from you liberals asking Romney for his tax records.

Root: Obama


The first question I’d ask is, if you had great grades, why would you seal your records? So let’s assume Obama got poor grades. Why not release the records? He’s president of the free world, for gosh sakes. He’s commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. Who’d care about some poor grades from three decades ago, right? So then what’s the problem? Doesn’t that make the media suspicious? Something doesn’t add up.

Secondly, if he had poor grades at Occidental, how did he get admitted to an Ivy League university in the first place? And if his grades at Columbia were awful, how’d he ever get into Harvard Law School? So again those grades must have been great, right? So why spend millions to keep them sealed?

Third, how did Obama pay for all these fancy schools without coming from a wealthy background? If he had student loans or scholarships, would he not have to maintain good grades?

I can only think of one answer that would explain this mystery.

Here’s my gut belief: Obama got a leg up by being admitted to both Occidental and Columbia as a foreign exchange student. He was raised as a young boy in Indonesia. But did his mother ever change him back to a U.S. citizen? When he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii or as he neared college-age preparing to apply to schools, did he ever change his citizenship back? I’m betting not.

If you could unseal Obama’s Columbia University records I believe you’d find that:

A) He rarely ever attended class.

B) His grades were not those typical of what we understand it takes to get into Harvard Law School.

C) He attended Columbia as a foreign exchange student.

D) He paid little for either undergraduate college or Harvard Law School because of foreign aid and scholarships given to a poor foreign students like this kid Barry Soetoro from Indonesia.

If you think I’m “fishing” then prove me wrong. Open up your records Mr. President. What are you afraid of?

If it’s okay for U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to go on a fishing expedition about Romney’s taxes (even though he knows absolutely nothing about them nor will release his own), then I think I can do the same thing. But as Obama’s Columbia Class of ’83 classmate, at least I have more standing to make educated guesses.

It’s time for Mitt to go on the attack and call Obama’s bluff.

Wayne Allyn Root is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and the author of “The Conscience of a Libertarian.” Read more at his website: Wayne Allyn Root's Website
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This made my day, I haven't laughed , so hard in along time. Hahah, I am sorry. Were you being serious?
 
Darrell said:
This made my day, I haven't laughed , so hard in along time. Hahah, I am sorry. Were you being serious?
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It is comical, isn't it? Obama has spent millions to keep his transcripts sealed? When all he had to do to keep them private was ... nothing? :lol:
 
AdamT said:
It is comical, isn't it? Obama has spent millions to keep his transcripts sealed? When all he had to do to keep them private was ... nothing? :lol:
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thats why the question arises, thanks for clarifying. Why would he pay lawyers when all he had to do was nothing? make you wonder? No, not you, anyone who is not an obamabot.
 
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