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Romney Praises Israel's Socialized Health Care System

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Presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney offered praise for the Israeli health care system today

"When our health care costs are completely out of control. Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? 8 percent. You spend 8 percent of GDP on health care. And you’re a pretty healthy nation," Romney told donors at a fundraiser at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, speaking of a health care system that is compulsory for Israelis and funded by the government. "We spend 18 percent of our GDP on health care. 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, let me compare that with the size of our military. Our military budget is 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of GDP. We have to find ways, not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to finally manage our health care costs."

Rights of the Insured under the National Health Insurance Law
-—Every Israeli citizen is entitled to health care services under the National Health Insurance Law.
—Every resident has a right to register as a member of an HMO of his/her choice, free of any preconditions or limitations stemming from his/her age or the state of his/her health.
—Every resident has a right to receive, via the HMO of which he or she is a member, all of the services included in the medical services basket, subject to medical discretion, and at a reasonable quality level, within a reasonable period of time and at a reasonable distance from his/her home.
—Each member has a right to receive the health services while preserving the member’s dignity, privacy and medical confidentiality.
—Every Israeli resident has the right to transfer from one HMO to another.
—Each member has a right to select the service providers, such as doctors, caregivers, therapists, hospitals and institutes, from within a list of service providers who have entered into an agreement with the HMO to which the member belongs, and within the arrangements in place for the selection of the service providers, and which the HMO publishes from time to time.
—Each member has a right to know which hospitals and institutes, and other service providers, are included in the agreement with the HMO, and what are the selection processes at the HMO.
—Each member has a right to see and to receive a copy of the HMO regulations.
—Each resident has a right to receive from the HMO complete information concerning the payment arrangements in place in the HMO for health services as well as the HMO’s plans offered for additional health services (CIP).
—Each member has a right to complain with the Public Inquiries commissioner at the medical institute that treated the member, to the person in charge of investigating member complaints at the HMO of which s/he is a member, or to the complaints commissioner for the national health insurance law in the Ministry of Health.
—Each member has a right to file suit at the district labor court.

Hmmm....sounds like Israel uses a health care system that's very similar to Medicare w/Medicaid components (i.e., choosing your own HMO, being allowed to transfer between HMO nearly at will, right to choose the doctor, hospital, therapists, etc., of your choice, etc., etc.). And here in the U.S. we have several states run by Republican Governors all but refusing federal dollars to expand Medicaid. Hmmm....
 
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You know, I'd be much more inclined to take the retorts seriously if any one of them contained an honest response. If you're going to twist my words and make gross assumptions regarding their meaning don't expect a response to your stupid demands.
 
Re: An Interesting Romney Gaff in Israel...on their health care system...Hmmm...

U.S.'s system is the most expensive, but that doesn't automatically mean that socialized healthcare responds to the cost issue in any significant manner. Socialized systems also tend to have significant issues with rationing of care, delays, red-tape, and convoluted referral systems that result in a denial of higher-level health care. That denial in and of itself would significantly reduce costs.

And is not exactly true. Plus all that you mentioned? It goes on in the US system as well. HMOs deny coverage, reduce coverage, pull coverage and treatment all the time. And that is only for the 60% of the population that has medical insurance... the rest are just screwed. The US system also has waiting times, delays.. hell the US emergency room care system is one of the worst around when you look at waiting times.

The U.S. has the highest general cancer survival rate of any country in the world. That's an expensive stat to earn. We also have one of the heaviest populations in the world, the complications of which also tend to be expensive.

Again cost versus reward. Spending 100k on saving a 70 year old from cancer is not cost effective. Giving a 70 year old a new liver after a life time of being alcoholic is not cost effective and frankly morally wrong.

But the basic point is this: Socialization does not affect true cost. It only affects spending. Spending does not determine quality. To suggest that a recognition of spending achievements is an endorsement for socialization is a naive, ill informed stance to take.

The only real difference between UHC system and the US system... in the US system it is the private sector that calls the shots based on profit margin rather than cost effectiveness and humanity. If a HMO can bleed a client dry by pushing false hope, then they will do so.

And the point is as always.. in a UHC system like the Israeli, the whole population is covered, and that does lower the cost since emergency care is damn expensive.

You have to ask yourself... would you rather have a system where it is only some people who can get good care, based on wealth, or a system where everyone can get care? The answer to this question will clearly show what kind of person you are.
 
Re: An Interesting Romney Gaff in Israel...on their health care system...Hmmm...

Is it possible for this man to be less self-aware? Has he reached the point where he is simply reading speeches without bothering to think about possible conflicts with what he has said previously?

um... please tell me once where he says "The United States should adopt the socialized healthcare system that Israel has"? That is what you started this thread saying, right?

He said in Israel you spend 8 percent of your GDP on healthcare, and we spend 18 percent of our GDP on healthcare, and that we need to manage our healthcare spending better, to close the 10 point gap between the two nations... That's not saying "the US should use Israel's model of healthcare", that's saying the US needs to do a better job with our healthcare system... Which only an idiot would think we do a great job that doesn't need improvement... He's right yet again... the US does need to find ways to cut the costs of healthcare, and healthcare spending done by the government...

It just so happens Mitt Romney already did this as Governor of MA, cutting MA healthcare spending from $475M to $115M (before the Democrats changed the legislation)... Yet, Obama distorted that plan and made it cost $100B/yr at the national level... Instead, you want to credit Romney with creating Obama's plan... when Obama's plan failed in every way that Romney's did not...

If you want to make a thread about the differences between CommonwealthCare and the Affordable Care Act feel free to... but there's no need to mistate the quote and put out a bogus thread to do so... Mitt Romney never said the US should have a socialized healthcare system like the one you have in Israel... be real...


This site is becoming so fraudulent it might not be worth contributing to much longer...

disingenuous threads started daily, where someone misquotes, distorts the meaning of a quote, takes some minor comment completely out of context, or raises an issue out of something inconsequential from decades ago...
 
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Re: An Interesting Romney Gaff in Israel...on their health care system...Hmmm...

Was on the news this am in more than a few polls on romneys foreign tour....they said his poll numbers have dropped since hes been out of the country on tour
 
And the hits continue. FACT CHECK: Romney ignores strong government role in Poland’s economy as he heaps praise - The Washington Post

Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney hailed Poland’s economy Tuesday as something akin to a Republican dream: a place of small government, individual empowerment and free enterprise.

While it’s true that Poland is one of Europe’s fastest-growing economies and boasts dynamic entrepreneurs, Romney’s depiction of Poland as a place of small government is debatable. Even 23 years after throwing off a communist command economy, the Polish government continues to have a strong presence in people’s lives: it gives women $300 for each baby they have, doubling that sum for poor families; it fully funds state university educations; and it guarantees health care to all its 38 million citizens.

And while Poland’s economic growth has certainly been impressive in recent years, this is partly the result of economic redistribution in the form of subsidies that have been flowing in from the European Union since it joined the bloc in 2004.

Woops!
 
Re: An Interesting Romney Gaff in Israel...on their health care system...Hmmm...

um... please tell me once where he says "The United States should adopt the socialized healthcare system that Israel has"? That is what you started this thread saying, right?

He said in Israel you spend 8 percent of your GDP on healthcare, and we spend 18 percent of our GDP on healthcare, and that we need to manage our healthcare spending better, to close the 10 point gap between the two nations... That's not saying "the US should use Israel's model of healthcare",

That is certainly the inference: you, Israel, with your nationalized health care system, are doing much better than we, America, are doing with our private system. Your socialized health care systme is much more efficient than our private sytem.
 
Dear Sir,

You label yourself as a Socialist and yet here you are complaining about the very thing that you stand for. So, I don't get it.

There is no question that Romney does believe in a form of "socialized health care". His historical record supports this. His object of attack has been the approach known as "Obamacare" which is very understandable to me.

Obamacare is such an overblown and incomprehensible approach, that nobody even understands the implications. When I voted for Obama, I expect changes in the current healthcare system and thought that was good and necessary. I expected a mandate (which I got) and I expected a government subsidized "insurer of last resort" to provide "bronze plan" insurance to people like small business owners (I mean REALLY small business) and people with pre-existing conditions based on fees that relayed to ability to pay. Instead, I got 2300 pages of corruption and confusion. Very bad approach here. The basics could have been a few pages and could have been upgraded over time. Instead, Obusha did the opposite and we're going to be dismantling over time, a much less efficient approach.

If Romney is offering a simpler, more rational health care approach it seems to ne you should be delighted, not upset. If you are just an Obusha fan and you don't really care about finding health care solutions, then that might be your complaint here.

This is NOT a personal attack. Please respons accordingly.

The only HC plan the Romney has offered is Romneycare and it is almost exactly the same as Obamacare so I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Is it possible for this man to be less self-aware? Has he reached the point where he is simply reading speeches without bothering to think about possible conflicts with what he has said previously?

His state policies were the model for the ACA.

He claims he wants to repeal the ACA to get the Teatard vote.
 
His state policies were the model for the ACA.

He claims he wants to repeal the ACA to get the Teatard vote.

CommonwealthCare was the model for the ACA, since it's such an effective program...

Unfortunately, the end product that the ACA is, is nothing like what Romney did in MA, but looks more like what a child comes home with from pottery class, after trying to make a mug...
 
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