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Gallup: Group Most Disapproving of Obama: Business Owners

Bobcat said:
why is it moronic to post facts?
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Facts? Again:

The majority of people who make more than $200k/year voted for Obama. Blue states have a median income a shocking $10k/year higher than red states. Your idiotic stereotypes are laughably stupid.
 
Boo Radley said:
Liberalism hasn't changed diffinition.
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New to politics? Liberalism has certainly changed definition. Modern liberalism or otherwise known as progressivism resembles almost nothing of classic liberalism which was heavily based on personal liberties. Again, huge swaths of both ideologies are actually statists.
 
Harshaw said:
So . . . you're saying Obama basically wants to destroy what business owners do?
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No. I'm saying the OP tells us nothing we couldn't have guessed at.

And by the way, Lincoln didn't want to destroy Plantations. The Plantation owners, on the other hand, sure as hell didn't want to provide wages to the people picking their frickin' cotton.
 
Wiggen said:
No. I'm saying the OP tells us nothing we couldn't have guessed at.

And by the way, Lincoln didn't want to destroy Plantations. The Plantation owners, on the other hand, sure as hell didn't want to provide wages to the people picking their frickin' cotton.
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the civil war is history, slavery was wrong. Now, can we move into the present?

present day liberalism is more akin to marxism than anything else. modern day liberalism wants the govt to control the activities of citizens in every aspect of life. modern day liberalism wants to bring down capitalism and punish successful people (unless those successful people are liberals).

modern day liberalism is the result of the defective human gene known as DRD4. only liberals have a defect in this gene. hopefully science will find a cure before civilization is destroyed by it.
 
Morality Games said:
Didn't "business owners" cause the 2008 recession that everyone has been so upset about?

I'm not sure why these polls are meaningful. Nobody has any sense of accountability, there's little personal stake in having an opinion, and few people have a developed understanding of why events unfold the way they do anyway.
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Business owners caused the recession in 2008? What planet did you just fall off of?
 
teamosil said:
Not a surprise at all. Romney's policies tend to favor people who own, Obama's tend to favor people who work. Somebody can both work and own of course, but most people are one or the other.
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The idea that "most" business owners don't work is so laughably stupid, there isn't any other way to describe it.
 
Harshaw said:
No, it doesn't. No. It doesn't.
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Sure it does. It has a definition. Same as it always was. If someone isn't that definition, they are not liberal. They are something else.
 
Fishstyx said:
New to politics? Liberalism has certainly changed definition. Modern liberalism or otherwise known as progressivism resembles almost nothing of classic liberalism which was heavily based on personal liberties. Again, huge swaths of both ideologies are actually statists.
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Not new at all. I merely understand the nature of a word, and what a word means. If the group you'r elooking at is different, then they are not that word. And of course, there's always the possibility that you and others don't accurately see a group. However, democrat doesn't equal liberal. So, let's just not get confused.
 
Boo Radley said:
Sure it does. It has a definition. Same as it always was. If someone isn't that definition, they are not liberal. They are something else.
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Oh, yeah -- today's "liberals" are all over limited government, constitutionalism, the primacy of the individual over the state, etc., etc. They're all steeped in Locke, Mill, Smith, and Hayek and Friedman are, like, totally their heroes.
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, yeah -- today's "liberals" are all over limited government, constitutionalism, the primacy of the individual over the state, etc., etc. They're all steeped in Locke, Mill, Smith, and Hayek and Friedman are, like, totally their heroes.
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Yeah, as liberal, I don't want government in my bedroom. I don't want them defining marriage for me. I don't want them ease dropping on my phone calls, or seeing my reading habits at the library. I don't want government torturing in my name. yes, liberal means what it always meant. Agian, anyone or anything not fitting the definition of the word, is something else.


lib·er·al
   [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA

adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

Liberal | Define Liberal at Dictionary.com
 
Boo Radley said:
Civil rights was a liberal idea.

Equal rights for women a liberal idea.

The Magna Carta was liberal for it's time, and it played a lot in the making of this country.

The words all men are created equal was liberla for its time.


So exactly what do you mean that liberalism has always failed, and what evidence do you have?
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Look no further than California and many other liberal states and cities.
 
Harshaw said:
The idea that "most" business owners don't work is so laughably stupid, there isn't any other way to describe it.
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Sorry, I wasn't being clear. Yes, probably most owners do work. I meant most don't work at the company they own. In fact, I'd wager that most business owners can't name most the companies they own share of.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yeah, as liberal, I don't want government in my bedroom. I don't want them defining marriage for me. I don't want them ease dropping on my phone calls, or seeing my reading habits at the library. I don't want government torturing in my name.
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But you want it just about everywhere else. The original liberals absolutely did not.

(And you said yourself you don't mind the TSA running a hand down your pants at an airport, which is interesting.)


lib·er·al
   [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA

adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

Liberal | Define Liberal at Dictionary.com
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I won't even bother pointing out the difference between political liberalism and generally being philosophically "liberal." You couldn't possibly carry on that conversation.

I'd say you already knew the difference and are being obtuse here, but as I said yesterday, if it's a mistake to overestimate you, I shouldn't make it again. So, I won't.
 
teamosil said:
Sorry, I wasn't being clear. Yes, probably most owners do work. I meant most don't work at the company they own. In fact, I'd wager that most business owners can't name most the companies they own share of.
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That's even more stupid than what you said originally.
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, yeah -- today's "liberals" are all over limited government, constitutionalism, the primacy of the individual over the state, etc., etc. They're all steeped in Locke, Mill, Smith, and Hayek and Friedman are, like, totally their heroes.
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Yeah, and today's conservatives raised taxes, bloated the national debt, made the gubbamint biggah, want to change the constitution and brought on the Patriot Act.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yeah, as liberal, I don't want government in my bedroom. I don't want them defining marriage for me. I don't want them ease dropping on my phone calls, or seeing my reading habits at the library. I don't want government torturing in my name. yes, liberal means what it always meant. Agian, anyone or anything not fitting the definition of the word, is something else.


lib·er·al
   [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA

adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

Liberal | Define Liberal at Dictionary.com
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With all that liberalism you sure know how to rule, regulate, and have power over the people.
 
Moot said:
Yeah, and today's conservatives raised taxes, bloated the national debt, made the gubbamint biggah, want to change the constitution and brought on the Patriot Act.
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Good for them. I'm not one and don't make any claims regarding them.
 
Born Free said:
Look no further than California and many other liberal states and cities.
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You're going to employ singular examples to prove that liberalism has always failed? In light of that absurd thought process, I suppose one could readily invoke Mississippi as irrefutable evidence of the total and utter failure that is modern conservatism?
 
teamosil said:
Sorry, I wasn't being clear. Yes, probably most owners do work. I meant most don't work at the company they own. In fact, I'd wager that most business owners can't name most the companies they own share of.
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You'd lose your ass on that wager. You're telling me the restaurant owner doesn't know the name of his restaurant? The general contractor? The landscaper? The store owner? The small granite manufacturing co? The bait shop? Etc, etc, etc.

Small firms w/ less than 500 employees represent 99.9% of all business in the US according to the Small Business Administration.
 
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Moot said:
Yeah, and today's conservatives raised taxes, bloated the national debt, made the gubbamint biggah, want to change the constitution and brought on the Patriot Act.
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All of which the liberals took to the highest level. 6 trillion added to the national debt in just 4 yrs. Obama passed the Bush tax extension, and kept the Patriot Act in place, kept clubgetmo open, and added 3000 troops in Afghanistan and invaded Libya.
 
Harshaw said:
That's even more stupid than what you said originally.
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How so kiddo? Hedge funds, mutual funds, and retirement funds don't notify their customers when they buy and sell shares of companies. Even those few that do bother to do so, say quarterly, it isn't like anybody reads those things, let alone memorizes them...
 
Fishstyx said:
You'd lose your ass on that wager. You're telling me the restaurant owner doesn't know the name of his restaurant? The general contractor? The landscaper? The store owner? The small granite manufacturing co? The bait shop? Etc, etc, etc.

Small firms w/ less than 500 employees represent 99.9% of all business in the US according to the Small Business Administration.
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Certainly the owners of small businesses don't represent anywhere near a majority of the owners of businesses in the US... Practically everybody in the US has at least a small amount of money in a retirement fund somewhere.

And regardless, while small businesses do make up the overwhelming majority of the total number of businesses, they're actually a minority in terms of valuation or employees.
 
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teamosil said:
How so kiddo? Hedge funds, mutual funds, and retirement funds don't notify their customers when they buy and sell shares of companies. Even those few that do bother to do so, say quarterly, it isn't like anybody reads those things, let alone memorizes them...
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Those aren't the "business owners" in question. They aren't even "business owners" in that sense; they're stockholders. "If you have a business," is what Obama said. And the survey respondents listed were people who actually own and run their own businesses.

That you have to present it in such a preposterously dishonest way speaks volumes.
 
Harshaw said:
Those aren't the "business owners" in question. They aren't even "business owners" in that sense; they're stockholders. "If you have a business," is what Obama said. And the survey respondents listed were people who actually own and run their own businesses.

That you have to present it in such a preposterously dishonest way speaks volumes.
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Er what? No, it's exactly the opposite. The "owners" Obama is concerned with are the super rich. Investors. Virtually none of whom could name most the companies they own. He's countering the Reaganomics trickle down mentality that the rich are the only people who matter or deserve any credit for anything.
 
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