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Looks like Obama is winning this election right now[W:90]

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Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

Pity that it's a choice between bad and worse...
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

good, that means the best candidate is in the lead.
 
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I tend to think that the weeks leading up to the election and the debates are going to be the biggest factor. Considering that both sides will have hundreds of millions of dollars, I think that a small lead will pretty much insignificant.

I'm not making any calls until the debates, though I will make the prediction that that is where Obama will really outshine Romney.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

good, that means the best candidate is in the lead.

But it's plutocracy!


Seriously though, I'm surprised Obama hasn't raised more. I saw a banner ad the other day that he's holding another lottery. This time for his birthday.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

Spending rates don't necessarily imply monetary might. You understand this, right?
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

I tend to think that the weeks leading up to the election and the debates are going to be the biggest factor. Considering that both sides will have hundreds of millions of dollars, I think that a small lead will pretty much insignificant.

I'm not making any calls until the debates, though I will make the prediction that that is where Obama will really outshine Romney.


I'm making the call that Barack Obama does his absolute worst when he's not speaking from a teleprompter. There are untold numbers of examples to back up my assertion. When he's off the cuff, he's a stumbling, bumbling idiot.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

I tend to think that the weeks leading up to the election and the debates are going to be the biggest factor. Considering that both sides will have hundreds of millions of dollars, I think that a small lead will pretty much insignificant.

I'm not making any calls until the debates, though I will make the prediction that that is where Obama will really outshine Romney.

I disagree, Obama has nothing to brag about, the economy is in a **** hole. All Romney has to do is keep pointing out Obama's failed economic record.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

good, that means the best candidate is in the lead.

Last I saw Obama is spending more than he is taking in. The size of the money sock can change hands in a heart beat the Obama is spending money.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

Pity that it's a choice between bad and worse...

If you believe all of the lies that both candidates are spreading about each other with all that money being donated by special interests who expect something in return, then it's a choice between unacceptable and totally unacceptable.

What a disgusting way to run a campaign.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

Agreed, Romney needs to run on Obama's record. Keep quoting him. All the failed promises, all the slip showing.

I'll have to say this, the OP, is a bit of a surprise. Just a couple weeks ago the meme being put out by the Obama camp was that Romney was the evil money guy with tons of lucre flowing in and they needed financial help otherwise money would win the election. Seems they were lying again.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

Agreed, Romney needs to run on Obama's record. Keep quoting him. All the failed promises, all the slip showing.

I'll have to say this, the OP, is a bit of a surprise. Just a couple weeks ago the meme being put out by the Obama camp was that Romney was the evil money guy with tons of lucre flowing in and they needed financial help otherwise money would win the election. Seems they were lying again.

I thought Romney had all the money too. But this site seems legit to me. Obama has raised twice as much and has 4 times as much on hand.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

Agreed, Romney needs to run on Obama's record. Keep quoting him. All the failed promises, all the slip showing.

I'll have to say this, the OP, is a bit of a surprise. Just a couple weeks ago the meme being put out by the Obama camp was that Romney was the evil money guy with tons of lucre flowing in and they needed financial help otherwise money would win the election. Seems they were lying again.

No, just a bunch of pots calling the kettle black.

Romney is an evil money guy, so donate to my campaign so that I can be an evil money guy, too.

The problem is that, without money to spread half truths and outright lies about the other guy, you just don't win elections. That is what is disgusting about this campaign, even more than the content of those absurd lying stupid outrageous ads that they keep playing over and over.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

No, just a bunch of pots calling the kettle black.

Romney is an evil money guy, so donate to my campaign so that I can be an evil money guy, too.

The problem is that, without money to spread half truths and outright lies about the other guy, you just don't win elections. That is what is disgusting about this campaign, even more than the content of those absurd lying stupid outrageous ads that they keep playing over and over.

Yes. and that is a big problem. whoever has more money can spread more lies, deceive more people and ultimately will win this election.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

I'm making the call that Barack Obama does his absolute worst when he's not speaking from a teleprompter. There are untold numbers of examples to back up my assertion. When he's off the cuff, he's a stumbling, bumbling idiot.

Yea, that's just some stereotype that has been perpetrated by right wing talk radio. Everyone was talking about how he was going to fail miserably against McCain in the debates cause he's an empty suit etc... and it wasn't even close. Obama did a great job. I'm thinking that this will be very similar to that. Does Obama have a fantastic record to run on? No, but he does have some high points that he can emphasize and if he keeps bringing those up he'll do fine. I saw most of the Republican debates, Romney has his work cut out for him. Especially if he refuses to answer any questions leading up to the debate. Obama has not delivered on all of his promises, that goes without saying, but if you bring up one of them, say closing Guantanamo, all he has to say is that he can't do it by himself and hasn't had enough support in congress, or something to that effect. It's much easier to explain that than for Romney to explain why he's scared to release tax records (especially with his dad's stance on the issue), his refusal to answer so many questions and take a stand on so many issues, Romney can't bring up healthcare in any meaningful way. Sure he can attack Obama all day long, and right fully so, Obama needs to be criticized where he hasn't done a great job, but that only goes so far. If Romney can't explain anything that he supports that while connect with independents, I don't see how he comes out of the debates with a snowballs chance.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

It is way to early to say one way or another. Publishing this kind of crap and polls is just a way to try to get people to follow the herd instead of think for themselves and to discourage people from voting because "their" vote don't really count and who they would chose is losing anyways. Publishing it this early also is an attempt to reduce donations for whomever the publisher is against. Until late october, polls aren't going to mean crap, even then, if the poll takes place in cities or liberal states then it will look like BO is on top and if it is done in the country or a more conservative state, it will look like Romney is on top. How you want it to look determines how you poll.

In the area of Texas I live, we get TV out of Shreveport La. as well as from in Texas and I also spend a bit of time in Oklahoma, both Candidates know which way these areas are going and don't even bother advertising on TV. Haven't seen a single ad from either on local broadcast TV. Hadn't had any calls from polling agencies either.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

Yea, that's just some stereotype that has been perpetrated by right wing talk radio. Everyone was talking about how he was going to fail miserably against McCain in the debates cause he's an empty suit etc... and it wasn't even close. Obama did a great job. I'm thinking that this will be very similar to that. Does Obama have a fantastic record to run on? No, but he does have some high points that he can emphasize and if he keeps bringing those up he'll do fine. I saw most of the Republican debates, Romney has his work cut out for him. Especially if he refuses to answer any questions leading up to the debate. Obama has not delivered on all of his promises, that goes without saying, but if you bring up one of them, say closing Guantanamo, all he has to say is that he can't do it by himself and hasn't had enough support in congress, or something to that effect. It's much easier to explain that than for Romney to explain why he's scared to release tax records (especially with his dad's stance on the issue), his refusal to answer so many questions and take a stand on so many issues, Romney can't bring up healthcare in any meaningful way. Sure he can attack Obama all day long, and right fully so, Obama needs to be criticized where he hasn't done a great job, but that only goes so far. If Romney can't explain anything that he supports that while connect with independents, I don't see how he comes out of the debates with a snowballs chance.

I agree with much of that, but there are a couple points I take exception with. First, no one thought McCain would be better at the debates with Obama. Heck, he'd already trounched Hillary. We all knew he was an excellent speaker. McCain, he had to take regular naps during his campaign and is about as sharp as a wet noodle in debates.

Secondly, Romney has an easy answer available to him on the tax records attack - if he's willing to use it. Just say, okay, you got it, we can go together on this one. YOU release all your college transcripts, papers and writings and I will release my last twenty years of returns. Obama will not know how to respond other than to lie.
 
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Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

It is way to early to say one way or another. Publishing this kind of crap and polls is just a way to try to get people to follow the herd instead of think for themselves and to discourage people from voting because "their" vote don't really count and who they would chose is losing anyways. Publishing it this early also is an attempt to reduce donations for whomever the publisher is against. Until late october, polls aren't going to mean crap, even then, if the poll takes place in cities or liberal states then it will look like BO is on top and if it is done in the country or a more conservative state, it will look like Romney is on top. How you want it to look determines how you poll.

In the area of Texas I live, we get TV out of Shreveport La. as well as from in Texas and I also spend a bit of time in Oklahoma, both Candidates know which way these areas are going and don't even bother advertising on TV. Haven't seen a single ad from either on local broadcast TV. Hadn't had any calls from polling agencies either.

Same here. We have to go out of state to see what mud the candidates are slinging at each other. The upside to that is we don't have to vomit every time the TV is on. The down side is that we really don't have a part to play in choosing the POTUS.
 
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I agree with much of that, but there are a couple points I take exception with. First, no one thought McCain would be better at the debates with Obama. Heck, he'd already trounched Hillary. We all knew he was an excellent speaker. McCain, he had to take regular naps during his campaign and is about as sharp as a wet noodle in debates.

Secondly, Romney has an easy answer available to him on the tax records attack - if he's willing to use it. Just say, okay, you got it, we can go together on this one. YOU release all your college transcripts, papers and writings and I will release my last twenty years of returns. Obama will not know how to respond other than to lie.

1. Maybe it's just me but i remember the exact same talking points before the McCain-Obama debates. That Obama was going to get his ass whipped. Maybe it's cause I live in the south, IDK, but I distinctly remember that.

2. Romney could say that, and Obama could answer with "Why should I have to release information that no modern candidate has ever released in order to get you to release information that literally every candidate has released for decades?"
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

It's heartbreaking that money, and not ideas is winning this election.

Money backing good ideas, I can live with that.

But as was pointed out, super pacs are flooding the markets with Obama-hating ads and misinformation.
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

Money backing good ideas, I can live with that.

But as was pointed out, super pacs are flooding the markets with Obama-hating ads and misinformation.


Obama has to lie about Romney while all Romney has to do is tell the truth about Obama's incompetence
 
Re: Looks like Obama is winning this election right now

good, that means the best candidate is in the lead.

The economic results disagree with your statement as the one in the lead has the results we see today. Why would anyone vote for four more years of the kind of results we have today? Further leaks from the WH on national security issues are another nail in the Obama coffin.

In addition, the latest polls


Rasmussen Tracking

7/22 - 7/24

1500 LV

Obama 44

Romney 47

Romney +3



Gallup Tracking

7/18 - 7/24

3050 RV

Obama 45

Romney 46

Romney +1
 
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