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It is basically saying Romney is telling lies about what Obama said. But in the video itself, Obama says the EXACT line that Romney quoted.



WOW. You can make up crap this funny.

Now I will watch the partisans show how partisan they are.
 
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It is basically saying Romney is telling lies about what Obama said. But in the video itself, Obama says the EXACT line that Romney quoted.



WOW. You can make up crap this funny.


It's a good ad. Romney and all the right wing liars completely took his comment out of context and it's something that Romney has said incredibly similar things.

Obama never said that if you own a business you didn't build it. He said you didn't build the roads and such. it was obvious to everyone except those that wish to keep their blinders on.
 
Is it just me, or was it actually not "exact"?

Anyway, I think the point is more about context than accusing Romney of a misquote.

Your right, though. It is a lot of fun watching these fellows. I love election season. My wife thinks I'm crazy, but I love it!
 
Roughdraft, you need to swap out that tiger for a razorback. :)
 
Did you miss the part where Romney said "you really couldn't have a business if you didn't have those things" presumable speaking of roads bridges and school teachers?

Didn't Romney basically regurgitate what Obama said.
 
It's a good ad. Romney and all the right wing liars completely took his comment out of context and it's something that Romney has said incredibly similar things.

Obama never said that if you own a business you didn't build it. He said you didn't build the roads and such. it was obvious to everyone except those that wish to keep their blinders on.
It is a great ad, it too bad that right wingers don't see that.
 
Did you miss the part where Romney said "you really couldn't have a business if you didn't have those things" presumable speaking of roads bridges and school teachers?

Didn't Romney basically regurgitate what Obama said.
Yes, he did.
 
No, this is about Obama's Ad. But I understand you wanting to bury his insane complaining about Romney making stuff up, when Romney quoted his own words. Hide all evidence of your guy being a moron.

Do you have anything to say about the video, what Obama is trying to say, and how he fails?
It is a video of the same exact topic already being discussed.
 
It is a video of the same exact topic already being discussed.

No, the topic is the video. The topic is the intent of the video. Different items of discussion, sorry you can not figure that out. If you don't want to comment on the video, just say so.
 
It is a great ad, it too bad that right wingers don't see that.

Its so great.. that why Obama is going to get trounced... please keep up the great ads..
 
It's a great ad - for Romney. Leads off with a quote Obama is calling a lie, only to later on in the ad show Obama saying exactly the words Romney quoted (albeit with the context restored).
 
No, the topic is the video. The topic is the intent of the video. Different items of discussion, sorry you can not figure that out. If you don't want to comment on the video, just say so.
I already commented 75 times on the topic in the video in a thread that already exists.
 
If I was Mitt.. Id just roll the whole tape on Obamas whole look into his soul of who this commie is on this " you didnt build it, some lazy ahole eating chips watching Oprah built it " rant.. Id just say "this is the whole thing unedited" and roll the whole thing..

that would crush the peanut brained kenyan soros sock puppet..

and then Id follow it up with this powerful ad

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
 
It's a good ad. Romney and all the right wing liars completely took his comment out of context and it's something that Romney has said incredibly similar things.

Obama never said that if you own a business you didn't build it. He said you didn't build the roads and such. it was obvious to everyone except those that wish to keep their blinders on.

Oh give me a break. No, no it's not. You know how I know that. Becuase almost no one on this forum once began the "He's OBVIOUSLY specifically referencing the roads and bridges" prior to the point where the administration and their people began to come out in the media and say that.

The thing he said can absolutely be interprited in multiple ways. Personally, the "He's specifically meaning you had no involvement in building your business" is a ridiculously poor way to interprite it...but frankly so is "He's SPECIFICALLY meaning that you didn't build the roads, not that you didn't build the businesses".

To me, the interpritation that seems clearest is that Barack Obama's was suggesting that yes...Bill Gates or Steve Jobs didn't "build" their businesses, but rather "WE/The Community" along with them built it TOGETHER through all the various ways government and other people impacted their life in the creation of that business. Essentially "YOU singularly didn't build the business but rather everyone that helped you along the way built it with you."

My reading of it is different than many on the right...it's different than what the administration is stating which people are attempting to argue is gospel truth (wow, wonder if that level of standard will be applied to things the Romney camp comes out and "clarifies" in the future. I remember how quick so many were to critique anyone who commented about Palin seeing Russia from her porch)...but to be frank it's no less legitimate than any other, because the horribly delivered and phrased line is one that is not clear cut and unquestionably designed to make only one answer be the absolute 100% definitive obvious answer.

The hillarious thing is the Obama campaign in this video is doing similar to what Romney did in his speech, and yet no one's pissing and moaning about "blinders" on that. Romney acknowledged that yes....teachers help, roads help, etc...however, where Obama stated that and declared then that the focus shouldn't be on YOU building that business but rather that everything together allowed it to be built, Romney's argument was that DESPITE those things the individual should still be the one promoted and held up as the person creating it. He acknowledged Obama's point...that infastructure plays into it...but disagreed with the final conclussion of the premise, that because of that the praise of the end result should be shared not individualized. Yet they paint Romney as a liar...how? By taking THEIR interpritation of what he's saying and responding based on THEIR interpritation. You know...what Romney did.

I love the ad, I want more like it, for one reason and one reason alone. I would absolutely love to see this campaign become one between a side that wishes to Promote the Community and Minimize the individual and anothe rside that wishes to Promote the Individual and Minimize the Community, becuase it will make for a FAR more interesting race then some of the crap presented so far and would spark some interesting actual debates as the two I believe are sincerely (and I don't get to say that word, to be frank, with either of them) stating their honest view point in terms of it. I'd love to see where this snap shot of the American People end up weighing in at on the issue.
 
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Oh give me a break. No, no it's not. You know how I know that. Becuase almost no one on this forum once began the "He's OBVIOUSLY specifically referencing the roads and bridges" prior to the point where the administration and their people began to come out in the media and say that.

The thing he said can absolutely be interprited in multiple ways. Personally, the "He's specifically meaning you had no involvement in building your business" is a ridiculously poor way to interprite it...but frankly so is "He's SPECIFICALLY meaning that you didn't build the roads, not that you didn't build the businesses".

To me, the interpritation that seems clearest is that Barack Obama's was suggesting that yes...Bill Gates or Steve Jobs didn't "build" their businesses, but rather "WE/The Community" along with them built it TOGETHER through all the various ways government and other people impacted their life in the creation of that business. Essentially "YOU singularly didn't build the business but rather everyone that helped you along the way built it with you."
You already said this....in a thread on the same subject.


The full paragraph
It's possible to interpret that he was talking about the teachers singularly, the american systems singularly, but the comment about roads and businesses tied to "you didn't build that"
It's possible to also interpret it in a way that's suggesting all those things leading up (teacher, system, roads/bridges) are what you didn't make.
It's possible to also interpret it in a way that each thing is independent in a series following a theme. Teacher, stop. System, stop. Roads/bridges, stop. Business, stop. Internet, stop.
It's possible to also interpret it in a way that is stating each of those things leading up to the "if you've got a business" comment and suggesting that because of them, YOU didn't build that business....because in reality it was a communal effort due to everything that pitched in to allow it to happen.
Ultimately, there are many legitimate and reasonable ways to interpret that paragraph.
Now...YOU seem to want to take what the administration has came out and stated was the REAL interpretation they meant AFTER it was given and AFTER it became a big controversy. And you're free to do that.
It's just good to know that the standard we're using for this campaign is "Anything one of the campaigns states in terms of what they actually meant when something was stated will be taken as absolute truth and any suggestions otherwise is 'bull****'"
I'm SURE someone like you will be absolutely fair and even handed with that application of belief.
 
Did you miss the part where Romney said "you really couldn't have a business if you didn't have those things" presumable speaking of roads bridges and school teachers?

Didn't Romney basically regurgitate what Obama said.

They both basically said the same thing in premise but their conclussions were different...

Obama's conclussion was that because of all those things, the collective group should be focused upon more than the individual. Romney's conclussion was that because ultimately it came down to individual action to spur it, the individual should be focused upon more than the collective group.

The difference between "The community assistance allowed the individual to succeed" and "The individuals strive for success allowed him to utilze the communities assistance".

The difference between the thought of a group making an individual better....or an individual making a group better.

The difference between the thought of "The individual doesn't deserve the singular credit because there were multiple things that played into it" and "The individual deserves the singular credit because they were the largest factor that played into it".

The premise for both is similar. Both instances recognize that the community....IE external forces...and the Individual...ie one's self....both play into the equation. It simply comes down to which one each side wishes to promote more and which side they wish to demote more.
 
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Oh give me a break. No, no it's not. You know how I know that. Becuase almost no one on this forum once began the "He's OBVIOUSLY specifically referencing the roads and bridges" prior to the point where the administration and their people began to come out in the media and say that.

The thing he said can absolutely be interprited in multiple ways. Personally, the "He's specifically meaning you had no involvement in building your business" is a ridiculously poor way to interprite it...but frankly so is "He's SPECIFICALLY meaning that you didn't build the roads, not that you didn't build the businesses".

You are wrong. No other way to say it. The only reason to assume that he meant that no person that creates a business built that business is if you ignore reality and just really want something to attack him over. I don't care what other people say, i don't care what they're personal defense is. When I hear the full clip, in context, that's the only meaning that I can derive from it.

And you want to know how I know that's how he meant it? Because every time I've heard Limbaugh or Romney or Fox news bring it up they COMPLETELY edit out the part where he mentioned roads, lol. There is no reason to edit that part out unless you are trying to misconstrue it.
 
It's a good ad. Romney and all the right wing liars completely took his comment out of context and it's something that Romney has said incredibly similar things.

Obama never said that if you own a business you didn't build it. He said you didn't build the roads and such. it was obvious to everyone except those that wish to keep their blinders on.

And none other than FOX news started the whole thing by showing the edited clip. You know, the fair and balanced news station! They continue to be the biggest joke on cable TV.
 
The ad exposes the liar that Mitt Romney is, he ignores everything before and after the out-of-context quote:


President Obama said:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
 
The ad exposes the liar that Mitt Romney is, he ignores everything before and after the out-of-context quote:

LOL... like Obama isnt this biggest phoney and liar ever?.... you do know your quote is debunking YOU!!!
 
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