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Obama invests in companies that outsource jobs....

No it is not. There is a large, unsubtle, vast difference between being the owner and sole shareholder, and putting some money in a mutual fund.

For that there is a difference. But when the 'cry' is about 'jobs overseas' and 'money overseas', how you invest in a company is irrelevant. Either way you are supporting what you rail against (if that happens to be jobs/money).
 
So you have no data that would disprove the linked article? Figured as much. A lot of hot air, not much else.

Did you even read the article?

Nothing IN the article supports the title.

I invest in that fund which spreads your money around to many companies that do business overseas.

That's completely different then what Mitt's expertise.
 
You conservatives are right. There are plenty of things that left wingers don't like about Obama. But what left wingers then want is some MORE liberal than Obama, not less, and conservatives are only going to offer right wing solutions. So what's the big mystery here? That Obama's not perfect? Of course he isn't. He's a politician. I think he's better than most politicians, but the solution to Obama's similarity to Romney isn't to elect Romney. It's to elect Bernie Sanders, and I know you guys don't want that.

Edit: Bernie Sanders or Jimmy McMillan!
 
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Obama has investments in companies that ship jobs overseas | WashingtonExaminer.com

Just figured I'd throw this out there for all those people that are so upset anyone that would/could be an elected official would make money via companies that outsource jobs.

Obama's fund holds shares of Apple, GE, IBM.. all companies making money via outsourcing. Hmm... GE, isn't Obama good friends with someone high up in that one as well? Hmm...

Let the excuses fly hypocrites.

Dude its a mutual fund, do you even know how those things work? They are managed by a fund manager who buys and sells based on the mutual funds goals, the individual buyer of the fund shares doesn't really have a say in what the manager buys and its wholly unrealistic to expect an individual to personally know every single stock in their mutual fund. Hell if the person had the time, say if they weren't the President, to personally manage the buying and selling of stocks you may have a slight point. However in today's globalized world finding a company that doesn't have international offices, which doesn't shift operations as business climates change, that doesn't take profits from one country to invest in growth in another is practically impossible and would take even more research which again the President doesn't personally have time for.

I'll give you an example, I've invested in USMIX a mutual fund offered through USAA. And according to Yahoo! the top ten holdings in this mutual fund are:
Las Vegas Sands Corp. Common St LVS
Annaly Capital Management Inc C NLY
LyondellBasell Industries NV Or LYB
General Motors Company Common S GM
Vertex Pharmaceuticals Incorpor VRTX
Liberty Global, Inc. LBTYA
Monster Beverage Corporation MNST
Liberty Interactive Corporation LINTA
Delta Air Lines Inc. (New) Comm DAL

USMIX Holdings | USAA MUTUAL FDS TR EXTENDED MAR Stock - Yahoo! Finance

Firstly I don't even know what half of them are, but thats why I have a mutual fund manager because even not being President I don't have the time or technical know how to invest in my own stocks. And of the ones that I do know, all of them have international operations. Am I somehow personally responsible even to a small tiny degree if the company outsources or shifts funds overseas? Of course not, don't be silly.

Secondly, you can see Las Vegas Sands up there which is owned by the man who was practically the sole funder of New Gingrich's Super PAC and his campaign during the primaries. Does that make me a supporter of Newt? Hell no. Also they have a major operation in Macau China, does that make me responsible for the money Sands used from their profits in the US to expand in China? Of course not, and I don't see a problem with investing overseas either because in today's global market its necessary at some point to do so to continue to grow.

Thirdly, those top 10 only account for roughly 7.5% of the funds holdings, theres still another 86.5% I'm unaware of, again its too much for to personally manage thats why I have an expert mutual fund manager to do my investing for me. I also have mutual funds which almost exclusively invest in overseas companies and opportunities, does that make me to blame in a small way for outsourcing and the reduced competitiveness of American companies? No I'm just an investor looking for opportunity, it doesn't make me anti-American or any other political bull****.

Lastly, are we really going to blast Obama for buying into a fund which owns Apple and GE? Those are major industry leading companies, they are common investments in many mutual funds because of their size, stability, and huge potential for growth and profits. And they are still American companies, even if they have operations overseas.

This article is pure garbage
 
its wholly unrealistic to expect an individual to personally know every single stock in their mutual fund.

I am only amazed because I think you might well be serious. I know what is in every fund I am invested in. If you don't, you FAIL.

The rest isn't worth responding to as it's just a long wall of text of excuse making.
 
I am only amazed because I think you might well be serious. I know what is in every fund I am invested in. If you don't, you FAIL.

The rest isn't worth responding to as it's just a long wall of text of excuse making.

And you've found nothing in any of your funds' holding that would make you want to sell your fund and reinvest elsewhere, like having overseas operations that may have once been US operations? I don't really find that believable. What is the name of one of your funds?

Also, its easy to simply dismiss someone's argument but I think they are very valid questions. If my fund has stock for Las Vegas Sands am I personally responsible, even in a tiny way, for their operations in China or the owner's campaign contributes to Newt Gingrich?
 
Obama has investments in companies that ship jobs overseas | WashingtonExaminer.com

Just figured I'd throw this out there for all those people that are so upset anyone that would/could be an elected official would make money via companies that outsource jobs.

Obama's fund holds shares of Apple, GE, IBM.. all companies making money via outsourcing. Hmm... GE, isn't Obama good friends with someone high up in that one as well? Hmm...

Let the excuses fly hypocrites.
Another similarity Romney shares with Obama.
 
And you've found nothing in any of your funds' holding that would make you want to sell your fund and reinvest elsewhere, like having overseas operations that may have once been US operations?

I don't care where they invest in moral terms, as long as it makes the value increase. I realize that there is a global economy, and have no problems with that.
 
I don't care where they invest in moral terms, as long as it makes the value increase. I realize that there is a global economy, and have no problems with that.

So why is it wrong if Obama invests like that? Is it because you think that action along with his past statements is hypocritical? How else is he supposed to invest in this kind of global economy?

And you still haven't answered the question of if owning a stock through a mutual fund makes you in any possible way, however small, responsible for what that company does. Its a critical question because if the answer is Yes and you say Obama is responsible, then so are you for every stock in your funds, and so I am. Frankly I don't see you could make me responsible for what China Mobile does because its part of an international fund I invest in.
 
So why is it wrong if Obama invests like that? Is it because you think that action along with his past statements is hypocritical? How else is he supposed to invest in this kind of global economy?
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Really? "that guy...he's evil for doing it! But...hey...a mans gotta eat right?". :lamo
 
So why is it wrong if Obama invests like that? Is it because you think that action along with his past statements is hypocritical?

Yes.


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So why is it wrong if Obama invests like that? Is it because you think that action along with his past statements is hypocritical? How else is he supposed to invest in this kind of global economy?
So, with that in mind, why are all the far-left democrats nearly rioting over Romney's investments? You can't have it both ways. Give YOUR guy a pass, while demonizing THEIR guy.
 
Yes.


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Dude come on you aren't answering my questions. Is the owner of a mutual fund responsible for what the companies whos stock is in that fund, responsible in any way for what that company does? If the answer to that question is 'no' then you've got no case against Obama, because its he's not responsible he's not hypocritical. If its yes than you, me, Obama, anyone who owns stock or a mutual fund is responsible for what those companies do.

Answer that question!
 
So, with that in mind, why are all the far-left democrats nearly rioting over Romney's investments? You can't have it both ways. Give YOUR guy a pass, while demonizing THEIR guy.

I dont have a guy. And I've never on this forum criticized Romney for his investments, overseas bank accounts, anything Bain has ever done, or anything he's ever personally done business wise. Sorry but I'm not responsible for what other people may say even if you'd like to clump me in with them and pretend I have an obligation to defend their positions.
 
I apologize. I was using your quote as a generalization. It should never matter how much someone makes, or where they invest, or whatever they do (legally) in private.
 
So, with that in mind, why are all the far-left democrats nearly rioting over Romney's investments?

the Nation Review has just called for Romney to release more tax records.

so much for 'far-left'...:lamo
 
the Nation Review has just called for Romney to release more tax records.

Have they ever called for Obama or Holder to release anything?
 
The Examiner continues it's "quality" reporting. It is a mutual fund. A little different. Well, actually a lot different. Well, to be honest, completely different.

You mean completely different than say, a blind trust?


:lol: man, has the obama campaign come up with a single attack line that has worked?
 
Have they ever called for Obama or Holder to release anything?

Is Romney claiming that his tax returns contain sensitive information relating to ongoing law enforcement actions? :lol:
 
the Nation Review has just called for Romney to release more tax records.

so much for 'far-left'...

:roll: conservatives who say he should say so so that he can shut people up. Much like liberals who used to say (before he did so) that Obama should release all of his birth certificate information, in order to shut-up the birther loonies.


But I see a good quid quo pro from Arbo. Romney's reply can just always be "I will release every year of tax returns that the Obama campaign wants me to as soon as they perform their duty and release the emails currently subopena'd by Congress in regards to Fast and Furious."
 
:roll: conservatives who say he should say so so that he can shut people up. Much like liberals who used to say (before he did so) that Obama should release all of his birth certificate information, in order to shut-up the birther loonies.


But I see a good quid quo pro from Arbo. Romney's reply can just always be "I will release every year of tax returns that the Obama campaign wants me to as soon as they perform their duty and release the emails currently subopena'd by Congress in regards to Fast and Furious."

Right, because a candidate releasing tax returns so that the American people can better judge his background is such a perfect analogue to protecting law enforcement sources and guarding against incursions into the separation of powers doctrine.
 
Obama has investments in companies that ship jobs overseas | WashingtonExaminer.com

Just figured I'd throw this out there for all those people that are so upset anyone that would/could be an elected official would make money via companies that outsource jobs.

Obama's fund holds shares of Apple, GE, IBM.. all companies making money via outsourcing. Hmm... GE, isn't Obama good friends with someone high up in that one as well? Hmm...

Let the excuses fly hypocrites.

What part of Democrat/Republican/Libertarian/Green Parties are all one globalist party doesn't anyone get?
 
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Obama has investments in companies that ship jobs overseas | WashingtonExaminer.com

Just figured I'd throw this out there for all those people that are so upset anyone that would/could be an elected official would make money via companies that outsource jobs.

Obama's fund holds shares of Apple, GE, IBM.. all companies making money via outsourcing. Hmm... GE, isn't Obama good friends with someone high up in that one as well? Hmm...

Let the excuses fly hypocrites.

The CEO if GE Jeffry Immelt is Obama Jobs Czar! Isn't that irony an outsourcer of jobs is advising Obama on jobs.
 
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