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CNN: Two Active Obama Supporters at Bain Confirm Romney Left in 1999

washunut said:
So just to understand if someone goes from a conservative to a liberal, how many IQ points can he/she expect to pick up. Conversely it is said that as people age they tend to be a bit less liberal. Is that because they are losing brain cells?
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None. Obviously. But the anti-intellectualism, the opposition to higher education, and the anti-science rhetoric on the right is causing people who already have higher IQs to recoil from them while it is drawing in people who already have lower IQs.
 
lpast said:
When he left bain was never an issue for me...I dont care...what I do care about is how bain made a fortune at the expense of the working class
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Lets see...taking failed/failing businesses, restructuring them, eliminating waste in management, moving operations to more economically advantageous cities and outsourcing component work, and in some cases shutting down factories and/or outlets that were not cost efficient. Is THAT what you have a problem with?
 
VanceMack said:
Lets see...taking failed/failing businesses, restructuring them, eliminating waste in management, moving operations to more economically advantageous cities and outsourcing component work, and in some cases shutting down factories and/or outlets that were not cost efficient. Is THAT what you have a problem with?
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Translation: Free Labor = cost inefficient.
 
teamosil said:
None. Obviously. But the anti-intellectualism, the opposition to higher education, and the anti-science rhetoric on the right is causing people who already have higher IQs to recoil from them while it is drawing in people who already have lower IQs.
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Anti-intellectualism? Opposition to higher education?? Anti-science rhetoric?

That's just called ignorance...

Some of the best universities in the country come in heavily "conservative" areas, such as Vanderbuilt, Emory, Rice, Duke, etc. and many of the most successful people and the better minds tend to be "conservative" in principle.

You may think that having moral conviction is anti-science, but those on the right who espouse religious values have even gone as far as to create a psuedo-science (intelligent design) to be able to bolster their views, and are out actively promoting it. Intelligent design is a very intellectual and complex scientific theory which didn't come from Larry the Cable guy... but some of the more intelligent and scientifically knowledgeable people in the world.

Still I would love to compare Larry the Cable guy's IQ with many of the Obama supporters... So funny that you use your reason for people straying from conservatism is because of the low intelligence people it attracts... when this is the support the President draws from...



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IndepCentristMA said:
You may think that having moral conviction is anti-science, but those on the right who espouse religious values have even gone as far as to create a psuedo-science (intelligent design) to be able to bolster their views, and are out actively promoting it. Intelligent design is a very intellectual and complex scientific theory which didn't come from Larry the Cable guy... but some of the more intelligent and scientifically knowledgeable people in the world.
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Well, if they are combining superstition with science, perhaps they are not so "smart" after all.

But do go ahead and define such ideas with a pejorative, that is fine by me.
 
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teamosil said:
Er, what are you talking about? Fletch tried to make some kind of point about race that I don't really follow. He said something about dumb blacks going to the GOP and I clarified that blacks, dumb or not, are not going to the GOP. The dumb people who are going to the GOP are generally white. I assume everybody on here is aware of that, no?
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No. Your saying so is no substitute for evidence. BUt I do have some questions that only someone of your obvious brilliance can answer. So dumb whites are leaving the democratic party and joining the republican party but dumb blacks are staying put. How much are dumb blacks lowering the overall IQ of liberals? And are blacks even dumber than dumb whites since they dont even have enough sense to fall for the republican appeal that reels in every other idiot? Forgive me if these are dumb questions, but I am not a liberal so am not nearly as smart as you, so I can only grovel at your feet here in hope you will bless me with an answer I can comprehend..
 
teamosil said:
Seriously, you think the "education is for dummies" argument is going to help your case?

Just FYI, somebody with a Phd, law degree or medical degree on average makes four times as much money as somebody who drops out before high school. The median income in San Francisco is more than $20k/year higher than the national average and about $30k/year higher than in almost all red states. The "real" unemployment rate you speak of isn't the real unemployment rate, it is a different rate that measures a different thing that all of a sudden Republicans want to use instead of the normal unemployment figures because it is a higher number and they figure people are too dumb to realize that it is a higher number just because they changed the measure...
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And you know what those smart liberal people did in San Francisco, they outsourced the building of the San Francisco Oakland Bay Bridge to China. How's that for ya?
 
Matt Foley said:
Correction: Unions = less than 7% of the private sector labor force, try a different scapegoat.
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LMFAO @ defending it's cost inefficiency by saying it doesn't make up the majority of the labor force... That's an unrelated topic... Plus, why did you focus on private sector only? 37% (over 1/3rd) of the public sector is unionized... So when you talk about inefficient use of taxpayer funds, you gotta question the use of unions...

Guess what... I'm a union employee, and a public employee... I know how inefficient it is...

There's no incentive for me to do better, because I won't ever get a raise, promotion, demotion, etc. based off performance... It is all done by seniority, and paced out through cost of living increases... The only incentive is for me to mope around doing a half-assed job, take advantage of all the small perks, like break times, and just exist until it's my time to be a senior member who can take even more vacation time...

Union Labor = cost inefficient...

Yet, the president has gone around promoting unions and trying to breakup right to work bills before they take hold...

The remaining problem in the auto industry is the cost of labor, as the result of the unions... We can't compete with the foreign companies which can pay $20-$40 less per hour than American companies... and any attempts to bridge that gap are thwarted by the unions... ]

Yet, this president, with an opportunity to break up the power of the union, instead strengthened the unions negotiating position, and helped them gain solvency, so much they were able to purchase a sizeable portion of stock in the company...
 
IndepCentristMA said:
LMFAO @ defending it's cost inefficiency by saying it doesn't make up the majority of the labor force... That's an unrelated topic... Plus, why did you focus on private sector only? 37% (over 1/3rd) of the public sector is unionized... So when you talk about inefficient use of taxpayer funds, you gotta question the use of unions...

Guess what... I'm a union employee, and a public employee... I know how inefficient it is...

There's no incentive for me to do better, because I won't ever get a raise, promotion, demotion, etc. based off performance... It is all done by seniority, and paced out through cost of living increases... The only incentive is for me to mope around doing a half-assed job, take advantage of all the small perks, like break times, and just exist until it's my time to be a senior member who can take even more vacation time...

Union Labor = cost inefficient...

Yet, the president has gone around promoting unions and trying to breakup right to work bills before they take hold...

The remaining problem in the auto industry is the cost of labor, as the result of the unions... We can't compete with the foreign companies which can pay $20-$40 less per hour than American companies... and any attempts to bridge that gap are thwarted by the unions... ]

Yet, this president, with an opportunity to break up the power of the union, instead strengthened the unions negotiating position, and helped them gain solvency, so much they were able to purchase a sizeable portion of stock in the company...
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I think that the hourly wage is less of an issue than the work rules and to your point incentive to do a good job to be promoted. That is why the U.S. has actually seen a surge in auto manufacturing as an example in mostly Southern, right to work states.
 
washunut said:
I think that the hourly wage is less of an issue than the work rules and to your point incentive to do a good job to be promoted. That is why the U.S. has actually seen a surge in auto manufacturing as an example in mostly Southern, right to work states.
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While I agree it's more the lack of incentives which hold the quality of the labor back... the costs are pretty bad, in terms of the sheer number of employees that could be hired if the costs were lower... Keep in mind, the difference between the hourly rate that the employee gets paid, and the hourly rate the company has to pay for each employee... While the hourly wage for a UAW worker is only about $40/hr, the labor cost is closer to $75/hr... which makes a huge difference when it comes time to hire or make layoffs...
 
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