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Romney Didn’t Leave Bain in 1999 [W: 404]

iguanaman said:
Right. You can never go wrong when bashing Teachers or Unions. Charter schools are being used as a front for religious indoctrination of minors and not real education. The use of State money for that can never be tolerated here. Move to Pakistan if you want that.
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Yeahhh....I dont think you really have a clue about what charter schools are about. Staggering level of ignorance in the above statement.
 
OP are we supposed to think Bain Capital is evil or something?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Yeahhh....I dont think you really have a clue about what charter schools are about. Staggering level of ignorance in the above statement.
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Surely you've heard of this Charter school in Minnesota, Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy? I doubt you approved of it either. Using State funds to run a Muslim school is not any worse than a Christian one though.

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iguanaman said:
Right. You can never go wrong when bashing Teachers or Unions. Charter schools are being used as a front for religious indoctrination of minors and not real education. The use of State money for that can never be tolerated here. Move to Pakistan if you want that.
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That is exactly right, the teachers unions have destroyed our education system. Thus giving students a voucher to go where they want will kill union teachers and their no fire law that prohibits a bad teacher from being fired who could care less about giving an education to a student.
 
iguanaman said:
Surely you've heard of this Charter school in Minnesota, Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy? I doubt you approved of it either. Using State funds to run a Muslim school is not any worse than a Christian one though.

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Yeah, stay in a public school and get no education. At least in that photo you showed they got the math right.
 
Got to give credit where it is due: liberals in this thread totally let TD turn a thread about Romney into a thread about Obama, and did it willingly. TD did a great job of turning the attention away from Romney and onto anything but Romney, which does seem to be what republicans want to talk about. Talk about Obama, talk about the DNC chair, talk about ACA, the economy, anything but Romney, who is a weak candidate who does not stand well on his own. I would recommend when republicans try and turn threads about Romney into bash threads on other topics, don't bite. Keep bringing the thread back to the topic. Bain is an area of vulnerability for Romney, so republicans will do anything to avoid talking about it. Don't let them get you sidetracked with moronic claims about obama's school records or clerkships that Obama may or may not have even wanted. That is doing what they want.
 
Hatuey said:
Why is it that Obama's Columbia records are relevant - even though he graduated with honors at Harvard and we have no reason to assume he did badly or even "averagely" at Columbia? Hmmmmm. Seems as if you're only willing to wear the tin foil hat when it's good for you. As far as this is concerned, it's inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
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Because we want to know why the constitutional professor doesn't know the difference between commerce regulation and a tax.
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, that's why he turned down their offer of a full time, tenured position -- so he could pursue the political career that he was obviously focused on.
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he was offered a TENURED position?
 
Hatuey said:
Yes - however, that doesn't give you a reason as to why he chose to do something else. Example: there is no harm from me eating an apple a day. However, I hate apples and would rather have a glass of orange juice a day.



There are also huge benefits in finishing a career at these "elite" universities you've been to. However, there are many people who drop out and go on to become successful people in their own rights.



Well, there is this kid who turned it down simply to play a football game against Harvard.

Yale QB Turns Down Rhodes Scholarship To Play In Harvard Football Rivalry
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as A Yale Alum I can tell you that guy was not going to get a Rhodes even if he had made the interview. He didn't turn down the scholarship-he turned down an interview where 32 people were interviewed and 4 got the regional Rhodes. and since you can apply through the year of your 25th birthday-he has several more shots. My suitemate Junior year was turned down his senior year for the Rhodes, he graduated-went to Harvard Law and applied again-this time successfully
 
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Hey TD, what do you think about Romney? He is, as you know, the topic of the thread. Do you think he left Bain in 1999, or did he leave later? Are the documents where he lists Bain as his primary occupation after he is said to have left fraudulent?
 
Redress said:
Got to give credit where it is due: liberals in this thread totally let TD turn a thread about Romney into a thread about Obama, and did it willingly. TD did a great job of turning the attention away from Romney and onto anything but Romney, which does seem to be what republicans want to talk about. Talk about Obama, talk about the DNC chair, talk about ACA, the economy, anything but Romney, who is a weak candidate who does not stand well on his own. I would recommend when republicans try and turn threads about Romney into bash threads on other topics, don't bite. Keep bringing the thread back to the topic. Bain is an area of vulnerability for Romney, so republicans will do anything to avoid talking about it. Don't let them get you sidetracked with moronic claims about obama's school records or clerkships that Obama may or may not have even wanted. That is doing what they want.
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What?

The only people who think that bain is an area of vulnerability for Romney are the ones who have already bought into some level of the class-warfare, venture-capital-is-bad, rich-people-are-mean, BS. They're not exactly the swayable voters.

Hell, remember when Obama went after Bain and even Democrats started turning against him?

:roll: Yeah, Romney's real vulnerable when even Bill Clinton is publicly taking side over Obama's.
 
cpwill said:
What?

The only people who think that bain is an area of vulnerability for Romney are the ones who have already bought into some level of the class-warfare, venture-capital-is-bad, rich-people-are-mean, BS. They're not exactly the swayable voters.

Hell, remember when Obama went after Bain and even Democrats started turning against him?

:roll: Yeah, Romney's real vulnerable when even Bill Clinton is publicly taking side over Obama's.
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So two democrats have spoken out against some aspects of Obama's use of Bain and that does not mean he is vulnerable? Really?

And the culture warfare cliche is really old and failed.

And don't think I did not notice you avoiding the actual topic either.
 
Redress said:
So two democrats have spoken out against some aspects of Obama's use of Bain and that does not mean he is vulnerable? Really?
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:) Bill Clinton isn't "a democrat". He's a rather major figure. Deval Patrick is also no random small-fry congresscritter, but the Governor of Massachusetts. Cory Booker was a mayor, agreed, but of the capital of New Jersey. Hell, Obama's own auto czar / econ advisor Steven Rattner was out there, defending Bain. One of Obama's major bundlers is a Bain guy.

However, if Obama thinks that he can win by running a bunch of ads in which he blasts Bain, to be responded to by a bunch of ads containing video of Democrats like Clinton et. al. defending Bain... :) hey, I can only encourage him in that strategy.



Bain is a vulnerability for Romney in roughly the same sense that charges of Socialism are a vulnerability for Obama. Both mostly only get traction from the base that was already going to vote one way or t'other. Though class-envy is real, and it's easy to play on tropes. We shall see.

And the culture warfare cliche is really old and failed.
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:( sadly it hasn't utterly failed, though it is losing it's grip over time, which is nice.

And don't think I did not notice you avoiding the actual topic either.
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:shrug: most execs compensation is stretched out for years after they leave. normally leftist types are in favor of that, as they believe that it encourages responsible behavior (you don't raid the company and then take a golden parachute out, but are rather dependent upon the company's continued success, etc.).

It's not exactly as if Romney wasn't at the Olympics.
 
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I think trying to tie Romney to any job exports in a private company are insane. This is especially true when the leader of the nation appoints people to his job creation committee who shipped over more jobs to other countries than they created in the US for that year.
 
cpwill said:
:) Bill Clinton isn't "a democrat". He's a rather major figure. Deval Patrick is also no random small-fry congresscritter, but the Governor of Massachusetts. Cory Booker was a mayor, agreed, but of the capital of New Jersey. Hell, Obama's own auto czar / econ advisor Steven Rattner was out there, defending Bain. One of Obama's major bundlers is a Bain guy.

However, if Obama thinks that he can win by running a bunch of ads in which he blasts Bain, to be responded to by a bunch of ads containing video of Democrats like Clinton et. al. defending Bain... :) hey, I can only encourage him in that strategy.
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He is not blasting Bain, he is blasting certain things Bain did. Details, they are important.



:( sadly it hasn't utterly failed, though it is losing it's grip over time, which is nice.
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It is actually failing miserably. The only people who buy into the class warfare talking point are right wingers, and even some of them know it is just a way to dismiss the message without actually addressing it.



:shrug: most execs compensation is stretched out for years after they leave. normally leftist types are in favor of that, as they believe that it encourages responsible behavior (you don't raid the company and then take a golden parachute out, but are rather dependent upon the company's continued success, etc.).

It's not exactly as if Romney wasn't at the Olympics.
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No one claimed Romney was not at the Olympics, nor did any one say he was not or should not receive compensation(we call those straw men). "Principal occupation" has a meaning. If you retire from the military and take a job making less than your military retirement, is your primary occupation the military?
 
cpwill said:
What?

The only people who think that bain is an area of vulnerability for Romney are the ones who have already bought into some level of the class-warfare, venture-capital-is-bad, rich-people-are-mean, BS. They're not exactly the swayable voters.

Hell, remember when Obama went after Bain and even Democrats started turning against him?

:roll: Yeah, Romney's real vulnerable when even Bill Clinton is publicly taking side over Obama's.
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Just the socialist speaking here and of course that automatically negates any opinions I have on economic theory or American politics BUT I do have opinions - like them or not.

I believe that the people who are really worried about Romney's connection with Bain are his own political consultants All of the polling to date is showing us that the Obama attack ads focusing on the business strategies at Bain Capital which provided large sums of money to Bain and its officers but also saw hundreds of thousands of American jobs transferred to other countries, those ads are working.

If Romney's own people weren't so worried about the effectiveness of the Bain ads, we wouldn't see so many attempted diversions away from the subject. We wouldn't have Mitt denying his own legal statements made to the SEC - hmmm, wonder if there is any legal penalty for lying on a SEC filing.
 
Somerville said:
Just the socialist speaking here and of course that automatically negates any opinions I have on economic theory or American politics BUT I do have opinions - like them or not.

I believe that the people who are really worried about Romney's connection with Bain are his own political consultants All of the polling to date is showing us that the Obama attack ads focusing on the business strategies at Bain Capital which provided large sums of money to Bain and its officers but also saw hundreds of thousands of American jobs transferred to other countries, those ads are working.

If Romney's own people weren't so worried about the effectiveness of the Bain ads, we wouldn't see so many attempted diversions away from the subject. We wouldn't have Mitt denying his own legal statements made to the SEC - hmmm, wonder if there is any legal penalty for lying on a SEC filing.
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NBC/WSJ poll shows tight race, Bain Capital undefined - POLITICO.com

And regarding Romney’s past work at the private-equity firm Bain Capital, the poll shows that 9 percent have a positive view of the firm and 19 percent have a negative view; 53 percent either weren’t sure or weren’t familiar with it.
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2 to 1 negative to positive, but a large number unsure. It could be an effective line of attack, but there are no guarantees. Most likely it will be tied into a storyline of how Romney does not understand the middle class, nor does he care about them. Note before some one makes a false assumption: I am not saying Romney does not understand nor care about the middle class, I said that is a line of attack against Romney that will be used.
 
Principle occupation can have a meaning as simple as principle means of income. Just a thought.
 
Redress said:
He is not blasting Bain, he is blasting certain things Bain did.
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:shrug: tomayto tomahto.

Details, they are important.
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not here. we are talking narrative.

It is actually failing miserably. The only people who buy into the class warfare talking point are right wingers, and even some of them know it is just a way to dismiss the message without actually addressing it.
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Of course you don't call it class warfare. you call it "inequality", or some such. It's the same as it has always been - thinking you can build some up by tearing others down, and utilizing people's tendency towards jealousy and self-righteousness to turn them against the successful. Look at all the idiots who make $50K running around here claiming they have a higher tax rate than Romney :roll:.

No one claimed Romney was not at the Olympics, nor did any one say he was not or should not receive compensation(we call those straw men). "Principal occupation" has a meaning. If you retire from the military and take a job making less than your military retirement, is your primary occupation the military?
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If that is where I am drawing the majority of my money, then that is what I have to report to the IRS. They are sort of particular about knowing where and why you get paid.
 
Redress said:
2 to 1 negative to positive, but a large number unsure. It could be an effective line of attack, but there are no guarantees. Most likely it will be tied into a storyline of how Romney does not understand the middle class, nor does he care about them. Note before some one makes a false assumption: I am not saying Romney does not understand nor care about the middle class, I said that is a line of attack against Romney that will be used.
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On that we are agreed, but I will admit I am optimistic enough to think that it will prove less than effective. Americans aren't all on the entitlement mindset, yet.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Principle occupation can have a meaning as simple as principle means of income. Just a thought.
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I don't think so. Occupation refers to your job, not where you get your money from.

Note: I am not saying there is anything nefarious here, but it seems to me to be a misuse of the phrase principal occupation.
 
Redress said:
He is not blasting Bain, he is blasting certain things Bain did. Details, they are important.


It is actually failing miserably. The only people who buy into the class warfare talking point are right wingers, and even some of them know it is just a way to dismiss the message without actually addressing it.


No one claimed Romney was not at the Olympics, nor did any one say he was not or should not receive compensation(we call those straw men). "Principal occupation" has a meaning. If you retire from the military and take a job making less than your military retirement, is your primary occupation the military?
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Speaking of details, how about you go dig up a few before you start a narrative that may not even be true.
How many jobs did Bain offshore?
How many jobs did Bain outsource but NOT offshore?
How many companies did Bain take over that became major job creators?
How many companies did Bain take over that folded?
How many jobs net were created by Bain through company turnarounds?

Here is what I know, we have some very left wing sources attacking very specific portions of Bain capital. What we dont know is very many of the success stories. We dont know that because the media either is not interested or is not going after that information. Romney's campaign provided some of that information in the video about the steel company they turned around. What needs to happen is some sort of stronger information campaign about the Bain successes and if they had an 80% success rate, Im sure there are a lot more out there.

Redress, you are absolutely drinking the kool aid on this one. Not because you believe the TPM story but because you are smart enough to know its a long way from the whole story. Or are you as absolutely partisan as you seem in this thread?
 
does the form differentiate?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Principle occupation can have a meaning as simple as principle means of income. Just a thought.
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So you are saying that Romney was receiving more money from Bain Capital than from the SLC Olympic Games - therefore: Mitt could just claim to be the MANAGING DIRECTOR even though he was neither 'managing' or 'directing' anything at Bain. Because? - well, just because seems to be the reasoning.

Like I said - in my opinion, I think the Bain attack ads are working and they are a worry not only to the Romney campaign types but also to his more affluent supporters.


If the Romney types did not see the potential drawbacks for Romney - why has he lied about the date he left the firm?
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: tomayto tomahto.
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Well, mr Quayle....

There is a difference between being right, and being wrong. You where wrong. Trying to claim it is just saying things differently will not change that. I complain about some things that we as a country have done. That does not mean I am attacking this country.

not here. we are talking narrative.
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No, we are talking attack ads.

Of course you don't call it class warfare. you call it "inequality", or some such. It's the same as it has always been - thinking you can build some up by tearing others down, and utilizing people's tendency towards jealousy and self-righteousness to turn them against the successful. Look at all the idiots who make $50K running around here claiming they have a higher tax rate than Romney :roll:.
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Funny, I did not use that word either. Do you never tire of straw men?

If that is where I am drawing the majority of my money, then that is what I have to report to the IRS. They are sort of particular about knowing where and why you get paid.
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So you can show me where on the 1040 the line for "occupation" is? http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

Edit to add: The Quayle joke was intended light hardheartedly. I actually got to meet him and I am one of the very few people who actually think highly of the man. When he came out to the ship, he came across as sincere in wanting to be there and meet us and thank us.
 
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