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Worst VPs on the short list

I can't disagree with you stronger SheWolf. You seem to think the Republican choice for VP should be someone who, essentially, isn't a republican or a conservative. That's just not realistic or reasonable to expect. It's living in a fantasy land. You also speak as if there is not independent voters who are right leaning but don't side with the Republicans in voting typically because they disagree on social issues. I think there are a fair number of individuals in the middle and even on the left, that frankly don't have a huge issue with fiscal conservatism but tend to vote the other way due ot social issues. And I think the Republicans will have more luck having a net positive effect going after that group then attempting to go after...well...liberals and liberal leaning independents...which appears to be what you want.

Liberals and those on the Left want the Republican Party to move their way in order to be sensible. Conservatives want the Democratic Party to move their way in order to be sensible. However, the Left will disproportionately focus on the make-up of conservatism and try to evaluate it with moving goal posts.

This is why it makes very little sense to have someone from the Left really try to give good advice about conservative politics.
 
My only question is this:

If Bobby Jindal is the VP choice, would he have to give up his daytime job playing Kenneth on '30 Rock'? My guess is not - I think he could do both.
 
See Fiddy... people are going to debate you on weather or not Palin was inexperienced and incompetent.

:shrug: I was using a comparative standard to the Democrat Presidential candidate in 2008, who was a political naif and whose "executive experience" consisted of being a college magazine editor.

So you think Palin was brighter and more experienced than Obama, Cpwill, then why is her career in decline and not rising?

a couple of reasons: Firstly, she was publicly slaughtered by the media, who created a false carricature of a woman who is actually A) pretty bright and B) has a history of bipartisanship. Secondly, she then fed that narrative with her style. Thirdly, post-campaign her activities have seemingly been bent more around fame through politics than fame from politics. :shrug: Sarah chose the money over the work; it's her call, but it leaves her an Conservative Voice rather than a serious Presidential contender.

Do you think her positions were somewhat extreme?

Which ones? The one where we should exploit the massive natural resources that we sit upon? That's pretty mainstream. Pro-Life? That's fairly mainstream as well. Palin ran on John McCain's platform - and John McCain, for all that he is a decent and honorable man, is no right-winger.
 
Essentially my first line was saying this...

Lets say you have Joe Independent. Joe Independent is currently undecided and unless something convinces him to vote one way or another, he's likely staying home.

In terms of getting him to say "Yes I'm going to vote for ticket X", I think economic issues are going to be more important. IE, whichever party can convince him their economic plan is the better one is more likely to get him to move from not voting to voting for them.

However, I think social issues are something that's going to make that person say "No I'm not going to vote for that ticket". And I think, while economic issues may be more important to getting someone to GIVE their support...I think the social issue is the overriding barrier to even consider the vote.

I aslo think, in general, Independents tend to be socially moderate to left leaning. So what this means, in my opinion at least, is that for such an independent to be open to LISTENING to your fiscal message in the first place....you have to not put such a bad taste in their mouth socially that they won't even listen to your argument. So while they may like the argument from a moderate fiscal conservative, they won't really get to that point because they're too turned off by the socially conservative message.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I believe there are more indepenents that are turned off from moment one by Socially Conservative candidates then there are that are turned off from moment one of Fiscally Conservative candidates....and thus if you're going moderate in one of those two places for a Republican VP, social is the better option to go. I also think the Fiscally Conservative case can be pitched to Independents in a more appealing fashion than the Socially Conservative message.

I understand and I feel we are in agreement. I think it's better to be socially moderate than extreme either way, obvious those extremes are going to turn off moderates and independents.
 
And we are in agreement, however, being an independent doesn't mean that they naturally take one set of assumptions over another. You are assuming that to be independent is to be interested in maintaining the status-quo of public unions throughout the country when those states have debt crises of their own. It did not happen so well with Wisconsin or in New Jersey, and the same might be duplicated elsewhere.



When it came to dealing with the unions in a troubled state, yes, they liked him for achieving results.



Alright, I have a few problems here. Ann Coulter's opinions are Ann Coulter's, whether or not I would consider her far right is another matter, because I would be far more likely to stick to labeling her a "attention-whoring, obnoxious commentator that will say or do anything to get into the news and to attack liberals, regardless of former stances."

Next, the Bush family. Ok, so we have a set of assumptions here which beg questions. Bush Sr. was a conservative fellow during his time, correct? However, his foreign policy took a lot less "oomph" for the hawks, right? That being said, what I am noticing here is a problem in really sticking to what is "far right." In recent years, the left had taken a liking to Sr. over Jr, whom it labeled as "far right" (mostly just because of the hawkish foreign policy and some social conservative stances). Next, you mention the GOP establishment as being "far right." However, the narrative for the past two years of almost anyone who has used the term "GOP Establishment," meant to connect it with one of the following: "wrong way for conservatives," "sensible conservatives," or "moderates."

Next set of assumptions. While achieving results with regard to unions in New Jersey, comparatively speaking, does New Jersey politics match up really well with southwestern conservatism or southeastern conservatism? If your definition of economic conservatism is to mean less government and less spending, wouldn't one want to think that a certain Republican politician hailing from a House district of Texas that ran for President as fitting the bill of "far right"? Has Christie suggested the close inspection of the Fed, removal of numerous government agencies and/or departments?




Her positions, if I may be so bold, were incredibly vague, for the most part (part of the reason why I was turned off by the ticket). She was a fairly typical conservative populist (which seems to breed catchphrases and vagueness). Was it "far right" to say "Real America," "Lamestream Media," "Drill Baby Drill" and the other assortment of strange catchphrases the woman came up with? If you want to take her position on abortion as an example, I would be willing to play that. If you want to suggest that her top priority being to keep the definition of marriage between man and woman a far Right position, I would accept portions of that but remind the fairly ubiquitous play that position gets across the two parties. However, let me remind you that: she doesn't reject feminism as a whole (she's just a conservative variation), she wants a fully funded IDEA (something that both liberals and conservatives haven't been able/willing to do), is fine with a path to citizenship that is not seen as amnesty for illegal immigrants, and so on.



Her biggest problem was mostly because of her inexperience with the press and/or in politics. Remember the "heartbeat away" rhetoric, remember the Katie interview, remember SNL. Perceived inexperience and incompetence with the media. Voters willing to vote for Hillary Clinton would be far more likely to not vote for Palin because Palin was simply more conservative. I remember the grumbling about Obama, but I never believed for a second that loyal Democrats were going to switch parties over Barack Obama.



For Democrats or those more willing to vote for a Democrat that time around, "you betcha." For Republicans or those toying with the idea of voting Republican, not so much.

Perhaps it's just going to be hard for us to agree. I think Christie isn't a moderate as far as economic issues go. As for social issues, he is a moderate. McCain was overall more moderate IMO. He created bipartisan bills with Democrats, and I saw him appeal to disenfranchised moderate, left leaning candidates first hand. That ended until Palin joined his ticket. Once Palin came on the ticket, all the Hillary supports declared they wouldn't ever consider voting for McCain.

The GOP does like Christie. They have asked him to run. He has made several appearances with Romney. He could very well be on the VP, but Christie really isn't a moderate. Kay Bailey Hutchison and Condi Rice are more of a moderate than Christie IMO.
 
In a horse-race, yeah, Cpwill will argue that Palin had experience over Obama in certain respects. If I again, may be so bold, I am not surprised.

Speaking for myself as well, my problem with Palin was more her extreme positions than her inexperience. Her inexperience and handling of interviews and debating were also a problem, but I would never vote for somebody with such extreme social issues. And I once really really liked GW Bush. I am not just saying that.
 
Liberals and those on the Left want the Republican Party to move their way in order to be sensible. Conservatives want the Democratic Party to move their way in order to be sensible. However, the Left will disproportionately focus on the make-up of conservatism and try to evaluate it with moving goal posts.

This is why it makes very little sense to have someone from the Left really try to give good advice about conservative politics.

What I prefer overall is moderate candidates. I don't like extreme candidates of any political position. One thing about the American political system that really bothers me is the bipartisan, two party system. The two parties do not work together, and the members of Congress and Senate run the government it a manner to appease their support base, extreme segments and pockets in their district to win relection. Because of hyper partisanship, they don't want to work together... and that's makes it worse for the entire country. We don't need extremist of the liberal or conservative brand. We need more moderates and more leaders in government, people actually willing to work together and solve problems. By the same coin, a lot of commentators need to go. The guys on Fox News and the guy who replace Olbermann, hacks.. they are making political discourse worse, and it pays. They are basically getting rich by dumbing down political discussions. ****ing up the government and creating a dysfunctional Congress shouldn't be benefiting anybody at all, but it apparently does. The way the system is rigged right now, the people are losing. It's not a Conservative or liberal issue. We don't need more extremism.
 
I agree that there is an increase in partisanship in measured accounts for our congress. On the other hand, Generally speaking you don't get accomplished extremism in American government. On the periphery, for sure. The two parties generally need to gain votes by either moderate factions in their party or through the other party. They generally are not given power to make as they please. Even the small amount of moderates in the congress means that those few moderates have just that much more power. So yeah, if you want to complain about obstructionism being a sign of partisan politics that needs to stop, okay, however...

American government also operates under the assumption that a divided government is best in order to weed out the extremists from being all that constructive with their time. Americans themselves complain about gridlock, but we can also be certain that complaints are granted when one party has more control over the flow of government policy from proposed/enacted legislation to presidential powers not needing legislative follow through.
 
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Any candidate that is not a true conservative is a bad choice.

Any candidate that is not from the south is a bad choice.
 
The GOP does like Christie. They have asked him to run. He has made several appearances with Romney. He could very well be on the VP, but Christie really isn't a moderate. Kay Bailey Hutchison and Condi Rice are more of a moderate than Christie IMO.

I like Christie as a guy - but not as a V/Potus. I would not vote for a Romney-Christie ticket. If Christie belongs in a Romney administration, it is as a Cabinet Secretary of something that needs to be turned inside-out. Education springs to mind, if Michele Rhee is too busy to take it herself. It would be fun to watch him tear apart the EPA.
 
Willard just spent the weekend with Dick Cheney. And ol' Dick's all rested up and ready to go, new heart installed and two full terms of experience.

Romney/Cheney 2012...

Just has a certain ring to it. ;)
 
Some names being tossed around:

Tim Pawlenty
Rob Portman
Bobby Jindal
Chris Christie
Bob McDonnell
Paul Ryan
Kelly Ayotte - listed as a wild card according to some sites

Do any of them scream bad choice to anybody?
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Bob McDonnell is already picked and prepping.

BTW...how did you leave Condie Rice off of the list?

So, the worst on this list would be Chris Christie...as a Presidential candidate you don't want your VP nominee to have a bigger personality than you.
 
I think sarah palin, christine odenell, and michelle bachman are the best candidates. IF he doesn't pick one of them he will lose the election.
 
Bob McDonnell is already picked and prepping.

BTW...how did you leave Condie Rice off of the list?

So, the worst on this list would be Chris Christie...as a Presidential candidate you don't want your VP nominee to have a bigger personality than you.

How do you know it's Bob McDonnell? I heard the list is narrowed down to Portman and Pawlenty.
 
Some names being tossed around:

Tim Pawlenty
Rob Portman
Bobby Jindal
Chris Christie
Bob McDonnell
Paul Ryan
Kelly Ayotte - listed as a wild card according to some sites

Do any of them scream bad choice to anybody?
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Rob Portman - Rich, Bland, Inexperienced, Establishment, Moderate. Doesn't help Romney at all.
Chris Christie - Loud, hated, moderate, pro-gun control. Doesn't help Romney much or at all.
Bob McDonnell - read Portman sans inexperienced.
Paul Ryan - read Portman sans Moderate
Kelly Ayotte - read Portman sans Bland and Moderate.
 
Personally I'd go with Jack Johnson or John Jackson

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Zyphlin's Law\]

John Jackson: "I say your three cent titanium tax goes too far." Jack Johnson: "And I say your three cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough."
 
Worst is Chris Christie by far...only jersey could love a Stuffed Puffed Blowhard wannabe toughguy who cant tie his own shoes...the rest of the country would laugh at his wanna be a Tony Soprano acts in public
 
I think sarah palin, christine odenell, and michelle bachman are the best candidates. IF he doesn't pick one of them he will lose the election.

Rodgers, Haley, Ayotte, Martinez, Rice, Murkowski, etc would be better.
 
Rodgers, Haley, Ayotte, Martinez, Rice, Murkowski, etc would be better.

I'd ignore him, the 99percent in his screen name may as well reference the amount of his posts that aren't serious in nature.
 
if rice refuses the offer, then nikki haley should be his fallback selection

similar qualities excepting the lesbianism

while she may not garner the black vote that rice could attract, neither can haley be held responsible for ignoring Richard Clarke's warnings of imminent terroristic activities
 
I was a big fan of Haley when her name was floated a while back for a possible Newt VP candidate during the primaries. However, I think she's another who came out and said flat out she'd turn an offer down because she wants to serve her term as Governor.
 
I don't think Haley helps Romney. She has an approval rating in the 30s in her own state. I guess the idea is that she would attract women, but she's pretty awful on women's issues, stating that "women don't care about birth conrol," and voting to defund rape crisis centers.
 
I'd ignore him, the 99percent in his screen name may as well reference the amount of his posts that aren't serious in nature.

exactly which one of my choices wasn't serious.
 
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