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Gallup Poll just in

upsideguy said:
Obama's intimation of Roberts???????? ROTFLOL and about to bust a gut.
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Many noted the administration's tactics of the past few months. It is why so many are disappointed in Roberts.
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Senate Judiciary Chairman Pat Leahy recently took the extraordinary step of publicly lobbying the Chief Justice after oral argument but before its ruling. "I trust that he will be a Chief Justice for all of us and that he has a strong institutional sense of the proper role of the judicial branch," the Democrat declared on the Senate floor. "The conservative activism of recent years has not been good for the Court."
Review & Outlook: Targeting John Roberts - WSJ.com
 
jerry7 said:
The IRS is the agency that will enforce your compliance. And nobody really knows the answer to your second question.
Fox Business Network: Supreme Court Obamacare Ruling Means Bigger, More Intrusive IRS
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Read the law; no IRS agent will come knocking on your door if you don't have health insurance. Your federal tax return will certainly take a hit, but no will go to jail or have their wages garnished if they don't have health insurance. The tax penalty is as tough as it gets, folks.

Read the law.
 
I'm sick of people telling me that I need to vote for Romney because I'm a conservative.

Romney signed anti-gun legislation while he was governor.

Romney campaigned on being pro-choice.

Romney raised taxes while he was governor.

Romney created RomneyCare.
 
jerry7 said:
And don't forget this one: DO YOU WANT YOUR TAX RETURN CONFISCATED TO PAY FOR YOUR FREE HEALTH CARE?
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or this one: WOULD YOU LIKE FOR YOUR ANNUAL INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS TO SKY ROCKET EVEN HIGHER?
 
Objective Voice said:
Wanna know how to avoid that? GET HEALTH INSURANCE or a health savings account or a flexible benefits plan. :shrug:
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:) I can't. They are criminalized under Obamacare. Apparently they don't meet the minimum of coverage that the government has the right to tell me I'd better purchase.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Obama and his surrogates and supporters in the media telegraphed the mode they were going to go into if it was overturned. They were going to go into overdrive attempting to de-legitimize the court.
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OMFG, are you serious? :lol:
 
Dickieboy said:
That's all true but the provisions you listed could have been regulated to private insurance companies without requiring tax increases.
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No, they could not. You cannot tell insurance companies that they can't reject people who have preexisting conditions unless you implement some mechanism to insure that people don't wait until they have a condition to buy insurance.
 
AdamT said:
No, they could not. You cannot tell insurance companies that they can't reject people who have preexisting conditions unless you implement some mechanism to insure that people don't wait until they have a condition to buy insurance.
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yeah? And what if your mechanism is so weak that people still have a massive incentive to wait?
 
wbcoleman said:
Yep, people love the "freebies". Won't love the taxes, the costs, and the destruction of the healthcare system.
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Taxes? What taxes? On who exactly?

Start with me. My wife and I were both employed in the public school system and we both have pensions with health insurance guaranteed by the State Constitution.

So what new taxes will we face from this Health Care law?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Why am I not surprised? Of course you would do something like this. No doubt you will downplay all the negatives while at it.

Of course no one will be fooled. People are not near as dumb as you wish them to be.
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So why then don't YOU explain all the negatives to me. Tell me what the negatives are for me and how many other Americans.
 
haymarket said:
Taxes? What taxes? On who exactly?
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Well, according to the CBO, the middle class. :)


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The last time I looked, there were some 311 million Americans. So by the chart you provided, 1% will be hit by this tax.
 
:confused: math much? Think 3%. Admittedly not much - but still, vast majority of the Obama Healthcare Tax will be raised from the Middle Class. That'll sell well.


But that's just one of the taxes in the bill. There are, after all, 20 others.
 
haymarket said:
So why then don't YOU explain all the negatives to me. Tell me what the negatives are for me and how many other Americans.
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I would, but why should I? The quote from you in my sig makes it known what you think about ethics. You'd lie the second you thought it would benefit you. So not really worth debating you at all.
 
johnny_rebson said:
I'm sick of people telling me that I need to vote for Romney because I'm a conservative.

Romney signed anti-gun legislation while he was governor.
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That ain't cool.

Romney campaigned on being pro-choice.
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Who gives a crap? This is an issue that is N E V E R going to be handled by any politically elected official. Why address the issue when you can continue to polarize voters, and thus get votes, due to your position on it?


Romney raised taxes while he was governor.
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Sometimes you have to raise taxes, how much, when, and for what purpose is the key.

Romney created RomneyCare.
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Well, technically a governor, head of an executive branch, didn't create any legislation. However, if it is what the people of Massachusetts wanted him to do, that is what he did.

Running and state, and running what is supposed to be a "weak central government" are two different things.
 
jerry7 said:
And don't forget this one: DO YOU WANT YOUR TAX RETURN CONFISCATED TO PAY FOR YOUR FREE HEALTH CARE?
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Or this one: ANY IDEA WHAT A 40% DEDUCTIBLE IS GOING TO COST?
 
AdamT said:
No, they could not. You cannot tell insurance companies that they can't reject people who have preexisting conditions unless you implement some mechanism to insure that people don't wait until they have a condition to buy insurance.
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So tax them if they don't accept them.
 
Public opinion of the health care law

June 28, 2012 10:36 AM

Since it was enacted over two years ago, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, President Obama's signature piece of legislation, has never been especially popular with the American public. Just 34 percent approve of the health care law, according to a CBS News/New York Times Poll released earlier this month, while 48 percent disapprove. Other recent polls also show more oppose the law than support it.

Overall opinions of the health care law have barely wavered since its passage in March 2010, and support for it has never reached 50 percent in CBS News Polls. Back in May 2010, two months after it was passed, 43 percent of Americans approved of the law - that's the highest percentage to date.

Public opinion of the health care law - CBS News
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Obama will wear this like an Albatross around his neck till November.
 
cpwill said:
:confused: math much? Think 3%. Admittedly not much - but still, vast majority of the Obama Healthcare Tax will be raised from the Middle Class. That'll sell well.


But that's just one of the taxes in the bill. There are, after all, 20 others.
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Three million out of 311 million is 3% by your math? Interesting.

Several news reports over the last day have indicated that in Massachusetts, the number of people who paid the fine/tax/penalty is at about 1%.
 
Prof. Peabody said:
Obama will wear this like an Albatross around his neck till November.
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The poll you cited fails to provide the latest after the SC ruling. Now the numbers are even. Plus it shows great support for many of the provisions themselves.
 
lpast said:
[FONT=georgia, serif] Seems its split evenly for and against at this point and only 3 out of 10 or 70% does not want it repealed in full.



Americans are sharply divided over the Supreme Court's healthcare decision, with 46% agreeing and 46% disagreeing with the high court's ruling that the 2010 law is constitutional. Three in 10 would like to see the law repealed in full.[/FONT] [FONT=georgia, serif]Read more at GALLUP.com[/FONT]
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The 46% who disagree get their news from where?
 
haymarket said:
The poll you cited fails to provide the latest after the SC ruling. Now the numbers are even.
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on constitutionality. not on favorability. probably the ruling will move that indicator up a tic. but to where it is anything but a net loss for Obama? doubtful.
 
Prof. Peabody said:
So tax them if they don't accept them.
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You don't get it. If insurance companies have to accept people who are already sick, and there's no penalty for being uninsured, then there is no reason for anyone to buy insurance before they get sick. Thus, the only people who are insured are sick people. Insurance companies lose money on sick people. What do you think that does to insurance premiums? They would probably have to go up 500 - 1000%.
 
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