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What will be Obama's main thrust during the campaign? [W:202/271]

Aunt Spiker said:
Thrill or threat? :D
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Well, actually, I think you would just end up getting a good laugh. That is the reaction I normally get(well, the good reaction).
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
I'm wondering what Obama's strategy will be this year. What do Obama supporters feel comfortable upholding as "job well done"-type things?

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is that he got bin Laden. However, it is debatable whether or not anyone else would have done the same thing given the same circumstances. (I am firmly convinced that had Bush gone into Pakistan unannounced, Libs would be screaming their heads off and tearing out their hair about how W violated the sovereignty of another nation and that he should have included Pakistan in the takedown.)

Basically, what are Obama supporters proud of? Why does "their guy" deserve to be their guy? Convince me.
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class warfare-convincing the mediocre that he will stick it to the rich like Romney
 
TurtleDude said:
class warfare-convincing the mediocre that he will stick it to the rich like Romney
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I can't tell you how many times I've heard "But Obama cares about the middle class" in the last two weeks. It's hilarious.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
I'm wondering what Obama's strategy will be this year. What do Obama supporters feel comfortable upholding as "job well done"-type things?

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is that he got bin Laden. However, it is debatable whether or not anyone else would have done the same thing given the same circumstances. (I am firmly convinced that had Bush gone into Pakistan unannounced, Libs would be screaming their heads off and tearing out their hair about how W violated the sovereignty of another nation and that he should have included Pakistan in the takedown.)

Basically, what are Obama supporters proud of? Why does "their guy" deserve to be their guy? Convince me.
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He will play upon a natural Democratic strength: offering people a vision for America in the 21st century. Visions are not something the Regressives are particularly good at. Romney, in particular, has zero vision on than to say he's not Obama... and, if you can actually get him to answer a question, you will find out he has no different vision that the same old tired TaxCut and Spend (on war and military) as the previous administration. No wonder he will not answer questions; he goes by the mantra, "....if you have nothing to say, say nothing...."
 
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Redress said:
Not even remotely true. Obama's campaign strategy will go like this:

1: Economy went from huge job losses when he took office, to job gains every month. GDP went from shrinking to growing. Businesses are making huge profits again, and stock market is back up. Note that all these are positives and demonstrably true. Whether those are true because of him is debatable, but that is true in terms of any economic issue.

2: All 3 US automakers are doing well post bailout.

3: We got out of Iraq as promised.

4: We have a timetable for Afghanistan(he might not use this one as drawing attention to Afghanistan might not be a winning idea).

5: Bin Laden is no longer a threat to any one.

6: Middle class are paying less in taxes.

7: Romney's tax plan is likely to increase taxes on the middle class

8: Romney is out of touch with most of America and will look out for corporations over individuals(supply side voodoo economics)
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I think you are mirror-imaging there. Admittedly I've got an ideological dog in this fight too, but I just don't see attempting to play to a "The economy is doing fine" strategy doing anything but blowing up in the President's face. There is good reason why Romney was so quick to leap on that mis-step, and why Obama was so quick to walk it back. Despite the fact that the President maintains a national lead, Americans trust Romney more on the economy. They don't think the Stimulus helped, and opposition to Obamacare has been high since it was signed into law. The majority of Americans continue to believe that we are still in a recession, and pessimism is not noticeably lowering. If the President says that the economy is improving and Romney says look around you; Americans will perceive the President as being out of touch, not Romney.

If the President chooses to campaign on his economic success, he is choosing make the campaign about his weakest area. He would be better served (I think he realizes this) by making it a personality contest between him and Romney (who has little personal appeal), while throwing well-aimed bones to various sections of his base to bring them out in what I would bet is going to be a comparatively lower-participation election.
 
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upsideguy said:
He will play upon a natural Democratic strength: offering people a vision for America in the 21st century. Visions are not something the Regressives are particularly good at. Romney, in particular, has zero vision on than to say he's not Obama...
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:lamo


Now that's funny right there. :mrgreen:


Hey, tell us, what is the President's plan to reform entitlements in order to avoid a looming fiscal cliff? Did he adopt the his own Bowles/Simpson Debt Reduction Commissions' plan? Something? Anything? :D
 
Compare the economy he inherited to that of the Great Depression. Account for current job issues by placing blame on Outsourcing & more recently the European Sovereign Debt Crisis. Avoid talking the economy in the debates, Romney will win those.

Focus on Social Issues to galvanize the support of unsophisticated voters that do not consider real Policy Issues. Create Victims of the system (Women, African Americans, Homosexuals, Hispanics, & Transgenders). Impress upon them that Romney is merely a bigot that holds the interests of Big Business. Strike fear into these folks that the system will become more exploitative.

Avoid discussing foreign policy, which wont be difficult, because an alarming amount of Americans have no clue what is currently going on in the World. When the Romney Team counters with "Leading from Behind", respond with "You're arguing for another war."

Continue to lead attacks in Populist 1 v 99% terms. Try to make the predominant amount of Americans believe they cannot in conscious mind vote for Romney.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
I can't tell you how many times I've heard "But Obama cares about the middle class" in the last two weeks. It's hilarious.
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:lol: yeah. It's like okay, he's screwing you with policies that produce higher unemployment, lower growth, and will product inflation that eats away at your income and your ability to save... but he loves you. C'mon baby, don't you know that? I only hit you because I love you.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I think this week is what will shape his campaign. The ruling on Obamacare, the vote on Eric Holder (and essentially himself due to the executive privelege fiasco), and how far the national security leaks story goes will shape a lot of what he does. If Obamacare is upheld, that will be a huge selling point for him. He will actually be able to say he's done something domestically. As of now, all he has is killing terrorists. The economy is not good enough for him to be trumpeting it.
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That's a good underlying point. Obama will only be able to wrest the conversation away from events so much.
 
cpwill said:
:lol: yeah. It's like okay, he's screwing you with policies that produce higher unemployment, lower growth, and will product inflation that eats away at your income and your ability to save... but he loves you. C'mon baby, don't you know that? I only hit you because I love you.
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Yeah, at least Romney has the benefit of being direct. He's not messing around with all these fancy policies that may or may not have a negative effect on the middle class. He's going straight after them by handing six and seven figure checks to millionaires and billionaires. It's only fair considering all the six and seven ... and eight and nine figure checks he's collecting from them.
 
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Obama will double down on dividing the American people. He will paraphrase Bush's famous quote, "you are for me or you are for them". He will continue to peal off groups of voters by giving them gifts like he did gays and Hispanics and hope that he gets more voters than he alienates by doing so. I went into the brush once to kill a wounded bear one of my idiot neighbors peppered with buck shot because I didn't want a wounded bear around my family or anyone Else's. I have the same uneasy feeling about this coming election, obama is a wounded bear and he is very dangerous for America and Americans.
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, at least Romney has the benefit of being direct. He's not messing around with all these fancy policies that may or may not have a negative effect on the middle class. He's going straight after them by handing six and seven figure checks to millionaires and billionaires. It's only fair considering all the six and seven ... and eight and nine figure checks he's collecting from them.
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Tax cheats got $1.4 billion in stimulus loans - Washington Times

As if your guy hasn't done the same thing.... partisan hacks are such dullards.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
I'm wondering what Obama's strategy will be this year. What do Obama supporters feel comfortable upholding as "job well done"-type things?

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is that he got bin Laden. However, it is debatable whether or not anyone else would have done the same thing given the same circumstances. (I am firmly convinced that had Bush gone into Pakistan unannounced, Libs would be screaming their heads off and tearing out their hair about how W violated the sovereignty of another nation and that he should have included Pakistan in the takedown.)

Basically, what are Obama supporters proud of? Why does "their guy" deserve to be their guy? Convince me.
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Not that difficult.

The beautiful thing about statistics is that while the Republicans will be able to show things show the economy isn't good the Obama camp will be able to trot ones out that show it's improving and use that to argue their economic policies are working.

They'll highlight the removal of troops from Iraq and place full credit on that to Obama.

They'll highlight the parts of Obamacare people like as evidence of what he's done for people.

They'll highlight the death of Osama Bin Laden.

They'll highlight maintaining low taxes on the middle class while arguing that they wanted to raise it on the rich but was stopped.

They'll point out the removal of DADT and the recent immigration action.

And they're largely attack Romeny for all the things Democrats generally attack Republicans for and try and tie him to Bush

Not too diffcult to come up with. The fact that your post uses things like "Libs" and your entire rant about Pakistan you are not the type of person that the Obama camp needs to "convince". You are not the type of person that is ever likely going to be voting for Obama. There's no need to convince you. They need only have a strategy that is set to convince actual undecideds.
 
cpwill said:
I think you are mirror-imaging there. Admittedly I've got an ideological dog in this fight too, but I just don't see attempting to play to a "The economy is doing fine" strategy doing anything but blowing up in the President's face.
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There's an absolute chance it could blow up in his face. That doesn't mean that it's not still likely something that will be part of the campaign strategy. The economy is going to be a major issue in this campaign regardless of whether or not the Obama campaign wanted it to be. His only other option OTHER than attempting to put a positive spin on it is to just not talk about it...and that's not going to work. So of course part of the campaign strategy is going to be to talk about the economy and of course that's going to entail putting it in the best possible light for Obama.

The question wasn't so much what's a "winning" strategy but rather what is the strategical thrust going to be.

Making it a personality contest isn't really a campaign thrust. There's no real issue being "thrust" there. He's going to have to make it a personality contest THROUGH the talk on issues, even if that talk is mostly fluffery
 
Zyphlin said:
They'll highlight the removal of troops from Iraq and place full credit on that to Obama.
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You mean the pullout from Iraq last year that Romney opposed?


They'll highlight the parts of Obamacare people like as evidence of what he's done for people.
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Are you sure Americans didn't prefer the prospect of going bankrupt due to health care costs?

They'll highlight the death of Osama Bin Laden.
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Was that the guy that Bush said that he was no longer concerned about?

They'll highlight maintaining low taxes on the middle class while arguing that they wanted to raise it on the rich but was stopped.
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Stooping to the truth, unfair!!!

They'll point out the removal of DADT and the recent immigration action.
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The right will counter this is unamerican I presume?

And they're largely attack Romeny for all the things Democrats generally attack Republicans for and try and tie him to Bush
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Like Romney's pledge to continue the Bush policies of increasing military spending, supply side economics, and financial deregulation?
 
Wow...so I post a relatively fair minded, honest, largely non-partisan neutral suggestion of what would likely be the main thrusts of an Obama campaign and I get this response:

Catawba said:
You mean the pullout from Iraq last year that Romney opposed?

Are you sure Americans didn't prefer the prospect of going bankrupt due to health care costs?

Was that the guy that Bush said that he was no longer concerned about?

Stooping to the truth, unfair!!!

The right will counter this is unamerican I presume?

Like Romney's pledge to continue the Bush policies of increasing military spending, supply side economics, and financial deregulation?
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Considering your entire hysterical sounding hyper partisan response is based off an imaginary stereotype-laden filtered version of what I actually SAID, I'm not going to bother to respond to your points that are delusional misrepresentation of my post.

I stand by my suggestion of things that will likely be the main thrust of the Obama campaign in terms of this election. If you feel that they're incorrect and they'll go a different direction...please highlight it and I'll be happy to respond. If you wish to rant and rave like a hyper partisan about imaginary words and suggestions I didn't even state, then you can continue to do that on your own.
 
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Zyphlin said:
I stand by my suggestion of things that will likely be the main thrust of the Obama campaign in terms of this election. If you feel that they're incorrect and they'll go a different direction...please highlight it and I'll be happy to respond.
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I think your points will be highlighted during the campaign, but they will be highlighted in a way that offers a comparison of the two candidates, which my responses above reflect.
 
What will be Obama's main thrust during the campaign?

Tomorrow will either give the Obama campaign a plus or a minus, depending on the Supremes ruling.
 
The main thrust of the President during the campaign?

 
At the risk of sounding dumb or taking the easy way out, I think his best strategy is just to make Romney commit... just keep Romney talking, and wait.

Once he does, Obama can claim that whatever the issue is, Romney is unfairly favoring the 1% and counter with his 99% compatible answer.

As soon as the polling shows Obama leading on an issue, Romney will do what he does and give Obama more fuel.

I think Obama will run on vision while Romney tries to be pragmatic. When most of the country doesn't understand our government, vision wins.
 
Joe51 said:
lmao @ 2:20
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"Fox News - Rich people paying rich people to tell middle class people to blame poor people."


LOL! That's pretty much Fox news in a nutshell, isn't it?
 
Catawba said:
"Fox News - Rich people paying rich people to tell middle class people to blame poor people."


LOL! That's pretty much Fox news in a nutshell, isn't it?
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LOL - every 24/7 station is a bunch of rich people telling the lower classes how to feel and what to do.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
LOL - every 24/7 station is a bunch of rich people telling the lower classes how to feel and what to do.
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Which rich people are telling the 99% they are being ****ed by the 1%?
 
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