The President is having a rough month.

Catawba said:

The lean you pick for yourself on a political forum is not convincing. You may like to think of yourself as a centrist, but I have never seen you take a position that wasn't conservative. In fact you are more conservative than many who admit they are conservative.

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Idgaf what you think... or have seen (given your proven handicap at being able to see the full picture without selecting a narrow obscured pro-Obama view)... I know what I believe and where I stand...

I'm registered as "unenrolled"

and my voting record stands for itself...

For Governor
'98 Harshbarger-D, '02 Romney-R, '06 Mihos-I, '10 Baker-R

For President
'96 Dole-R, '00 Nader-G, '04 Nader-I, '08 Romney-WI (and I campaigned for Clinton in '92)

3 parties represented, numerous independents, and a write-in

I've never shied about the fact that I am right on some positions and left on others... and have come out and accurately described myself as centrist, that leans center-right these days based on how the left has drifted away from what the majority of Americans want...

However, if you've seen my posts I've heaped large amounts of praise on JFK (more so RFK), and given Clinton credit for his moderate positions like being for Welfare Reform and fiscal responsibility...

I can back either side... neither side has a monopoly on being correct...

It's just that at the moment... Romney is the best candidate for president, given our fiscal troubles and stagnant economy... and his expertise and proven success at turning each around, through various functions as an executive leader... whereas our current president has never proven he could do so, even as our current president...

Still any objective mind can clearly see there's a series of events that could have bad repurcussions for Obama in the general election in the fall... and at least in the short term are going to have an effect on how he has to handle the election process...

iguanaman said:

How's that "Conservative approach" working out in Europe? You think we "need" the suffering of another perhaps deeper recession? How dose a "Centrist" get so far off course?

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How'd that "liberal approach" work out in Europe prior to that "Conservative approach" being attempted now?

Zyphlin said:

How'd that "liberal approach" work out in Europe prior to that "Conservative approach" being attempted now?

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Which Europe? The Nordic states have a VERY good life, Germany is pretty good, but Ireland which was the darling of conservatives is not doing well at all.

He didn't 'inherit' squat. he took that job of his own free will. If he took the position without a clue as to how bad things were, well then, what kind of idiot is he? When I took over as district manager for the company I work for, I knew exactly how screwed up that district was. I made NO excuses for performance under my watch.

Obama didn't inherit anything...he actively sought out and assumed it.

Howler63 said:

He didn't 'inherit' squat. he took that job of his own free will. If he took the position without a clue as to how bad things were, well then, what kind of idiot is he? When I took over as district manager for the company I work for, I knew exactly how screwed up that district was. I made NO excuses for performance under my watch.

Obama didn't inherit anything...he actively sought out and assumed it.

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This is a false equivalency. Your "district" is in no way comparable to the US economy.

Frank Marshall Hussein Obama is not up to the job.. unless the job was to ruin the USA..,,its time to put him a permanant vacation to Kenya or Chicago

Catawba said:

The lean you pick for yourself on a political forum is not convincing. You may like to think of yourself as a centrist, but I have never seen you take a position that wasn't conservative. In fact you are more conservative than many who admit they are conservative.

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whats your view on AdamT? Ive never seen you question him like this?

Taking credit or laying blame for the results are.

If you take a position, you damned well better know what come with it...the good and the bad...and be ready to accept responsibility.

Four years on and Obama is still blaming the idiot who came before him.

That dog don't hunt.

Catawba said:

LOL! Thanks for the conservative white male perspective, we just don't get enough of that around here.

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When you have nothing to contribute, play the race card. Good one.

Zyphlin said:

How'd that "liberal approach" work out in Europe prior to that "Conservative approach" being attempted now?

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Germany, having reformed it's public sector and welfare state, appears to be doing just fine, thank you. Switzerland, with their small-central-government approach appears to be doing okay as well.

iguanaman said:

How's that "Conservative approach" working out in Europe? You think we "need" the suffering of another perhaps deeper recession? How dose a "Centrist" get so far off course?

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Europe isn't the US, entirely different structures and economies. Not analogous at all.

cpwill said:

Germany, having reformed it's public sector and welfare state, appears to be doing just fine, thank you. Switzerland, with their small-central-government approach appears to be doing okay as well.

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Reformed? You are suggesting we follow Germany's example? Attain their level of taxation, social spending, etc?

Gimmesometruth said:

Reformed? You are suggesting we follow Germany's example? Attain their level of taxation, social spending, etc?

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Germany brought their social welfare spending into the reigns of it's taxation - since they have a sales (well, a VAT) tax as well, and are willing to tax their poor and middle class more than we are, they are able to afford a higher social safety net that is true. However, they also amended their constitution to produce balanced budgets. Those two things (entitlement reform, balanced budgets) would indeed make us better off as a nation.

cpwill said:

Holly ****, an ad sourcinem response from Redress, who apparently either lacks the willingness or the ability to read and respond to OP's!


I think you can officially color us all shocked, with that one. Such a thing, has it ever happened Every Single Time You Enter A Thread?





:roll: the President's reelection has had a rough couple of months. That observation is not exactly partisan.

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Obama needs to dump Holder, like today! He needs to dump him like stink on ****.

American said:

Obama needs to dump Holder, like today! He needs to dump him like stink on ****.

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I think he knows it too. I saw an interesting analysis the other day that argued that Valerie Jarret was the source of the story about Holder getting into a chest-bumping yelling match with Axelrod.

cpwill said:

I think he knows it too. I saw an interesting analysis the other day that argued that Valerie Jarret was the source of the story about Holder getting into a chest-bumping yelling match with Axelrod.

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Axlerod is going nowhere and probably has unlimited loyalty from Obama.

Yup. Since day one with "national conversation" and a "nation of cowards", Holder has been a pain for the administration - through the notion that whites could not be racially discriminated against (or have their civil rights threatened), up through trying the 9/11 mastermind in NYC, and now with this "you gotta cover me for lying" business. They would love to see him go if it was possible to figure out a way that didn't embarrass them.

Gimmesometruth said:

This is a false equivalency. Your "district" is in no way comparable to the US economy.

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Are you that dense? Obama knew what the economy was like during the election process in 2007 and 2008... and used it to his advantage in trying to bash Republicans over it... Then when he gets in office... he still wants to blame Republicans, and say well the president doesn't have power over the economy... its a flawed excuse... When he took over as president, he knew full well what he was in store for... and he's failed miserably at it...

American said:

Axlerod is going nowhere and probably has unlimited loyalty from Obama.

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David Axelrose is as meaningless as Dick Morris, Joe Lippi, Carl Rove, and all these other fools who can get people to say the right things in an election process, but could not craft a quality political policy or overall philosophy that would benefit anyone other than the campaigner who hired them...

However, Axelrose has his Chicago ties with Obama, so he'd get preferential treatment over Holder if that ever went down... Plus, I'm sure Obama knows full well David Axelrose could do some major damage if he aired the skeletons in the closet he knows about, whereas Holder is one of the skeletons they've been trying to cover up...

cpwill said:

Germany brought their social welfare spending into the reigns of it's taxation - since they have a sales (well, a VAT) tax as well, and are willing to tax their poor and middle class more than we are, they are able to afford a higher social safety net that is true. However, they also amended their constitution to produce balanced budgets. Those two things (entitlement reform, balanced budgets) would indeed make us better off as a nation.

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You avoided the question, as usual. I will ask again:

Are you are suggesting we follow Germany's example? Attain their level of taxation, social spending, etc?

We will never balance a budget like Germany since they do not spend more than half of their discretionary budget on their military like we do. You would never accept the idea that the US spend on social programs, education, ....at the level Germany does. You would not accept the taxation regime Germany has.

Yours is a totally false position.

Gimmesometruth said:

You avoided the question, as usual. I will ask again:

Are you are suggesting we follow Germany's example? Attain their level of taxation, social spending, etc?

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you asked if I suggested we follow Germany's example and listed a couple of items. I then specifically gave you the sections where I thought we should follow Germany's lead. Do you have comprehension issues? Let me know PM, I'll start drawing out connections more thoroughly for you.

Hint: when someone is asked "should we follow someone's example", and then they give specific areas where we should, they have answered the question.

If you are asking if we should reach for their level of social spending and taxation, no. That would require heavy painful tax increases especially on our poor and middle class, and would be matched with significant increases in the Cost of Living for the same.

We will never balance a budget like Germany since they do not spend more than half of their discretionary budget on their military like we do.

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I like how you say "discretionary" in order to cut out our largest ticket items. In fact everyone from Paul Ryan to the IMF, to the CBO, to Bill Clinton, to Simpson-Bowles, to President Obama have admitted that the largest single driver of our debt at this point is Medicare/Medicaid. Spending on the DOD is actually in a post-war low, especially if Sequestration continues:




Look, for FY2011, here are the numbers:

1. The DOD budget was $526 Bn.

2. The Deficit was $1.3 Trillion.

3. Federal Revenue was $2.3 Trillion

4. Interest Payments were $230 Bn


You could completely cut DOD spending and we still wouldn't balance the budget. Even without the incredible negative externalities that would impose.

You would never accept the idea that the US spend on social programs, education, ....at the level Germany does. You would not accept the taxation regime Germany has.

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That is partially correct - we spend more on education than Germany does, and I wouldn't mind us spending a little less to greater effect, as they do. But I wouldn't want their tax schedule for the reasons I have listed above, nor their social programs for a host of others. You appear to be suffering from some kind of fallacy wherein because I think we could learn from them some things, we must do whatever they do. Arguing that Germany's balanced budgets and entitlement reform have left them the stable man in Europe is no more arguing that we should impose a VAT tax than it is that we should all start drinking more beer.

Gimmesometruth said:

You avoided the question, as usual. I will ask again:

Are you are suggesting we follow Germany's example? Attain their level of taxation, social spending, etc?

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cpwill said:

you asked if I suggested we follow Germany's example and listed a couple of items. I then specifically gave you the sections where I thought we should follow Germany's lead. Do you have comprehension issues? Let me know PM, I'll start drawing out connections more thoroughly for you.

Hint: when someone is asked "should we follow someone's example", and then they give specific areas where we should, they have answered the question.

If you are asking if we should reach for their level of social spending and taxation, no. That would require heavy painful tax increases especially on our poor and middle class, and would be matched with significant increases in the Cost of Living for the same.

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That IS exactly what I asked the first time, you didn't answer, you danced. Now I asked again, you accuse me of "comprehension issues", and then you finally figure out that I did ask you SPECIFICALLY about taxation and social spending.......and YOU FINALLY DO ANSWER IT.

And your answer was as I suspected, NO, you do not want the US to follow that example.......even though that is what you intimated when this conversation began:

cpwill said:

Germany, having reformed it's public sector and welfare state, appears to be doing just fine, thank you.

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Maybe it isn't me with the comprehension issues.......and someone should tell the German lower and middle class how bad they have it.......thank you indeed.

Gimmesometruth said:

That IS exactly what I asked the first time, you didn't answer, you danced. Now I asked again, you accuse me of "comprehension issues", and then you finally figure out that I did ask you SPECIFICALLY about taxation and social spending.......and YOU FINALLY DO ANSWER IT.

And your answer was as I suspected, NO, you do not want the US to follow that example.......even though that is what you intimated when this conversation began:


Maybe it isn't me with the comprehension issues.......and someone should tell the German lower and middle class how bad they have it.......thank you indeed.

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I stated that Germany had reformed it's social welfare programs to make them affordable, and that it was doing fine. You then asked about something only tangentially related. It's not my fault that you lack the ability to follow the leap from "no, we should do this" to "ergo, I'm not saying we should do that.

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The funny thing is, I bet you actually think you scored some kind of a point. Know how I can tell?

Because when you claim connection between utterly unconnected things like this:

GST said:

And your answer was as I suspected, NO, you do not want the US to follow that example.......even though that is what you intimated when this conversation began:

cpwill said:

Germany, having reformed it's public sector and welfare state, appears to be doing just fine, thank you.

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it indicates that you have little idea what you are talking about.

Catawba said:

Right, he just plays one on the internets! LOL!



Its not a racist remark, its a documented fact that most of the climate change deniers are white conservative males.

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Profiling is racist dude, get the memo.

cpwill said:

Jim Geraghty over at National Review's "Campaign" blog lays out a few of the reasons why:

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Well "it ain't over, til it's over", but IMO the President calling "executive" on Fast and Furious is telling. There has to be something to hid.

And the Obama Admin has recently made quite a few gaffes, and they are running out of "those who can be thrown under the bus", well except the old standby Bush, I think they need a BIG win in the next few months or this is going to be a very, very tight race.