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Bill Crystal: Obama Immigration Plan Undercuts Rubio & Romney

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So, it seems as though Rubio' s immigration plan is very similar to what President Obama announced on Friday.

Romney dodges immigration questions - POLITICO.com

[...]Romney has yet to offer an opinion on the merits of Obama’s immigration policy change. On Friday, he told reporters in New Hampshire that he supports Rubio’s proposal, which has yet to be introduced in the Senate.

On “Fox News Sunday,” Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Obama’s moved successfully undercut both Rubio and Romney.

“This was the anti-Marco Rubio initiative by the administration,” Kristol said. “They were scared. Sen. Rubio was about to introduce his version of the Dream Act, which would have been closer to what President Obama announced than the actual Democratic Dream Act. I wish Rubio had introduced it over the last month or two. He got stalled, not every Republican was on board, the Romney campaign’s been cautious about it.” [...]​
 
pbrauer said:
So, it seems as though Rubio' s immigration plan is very similar to what President Obama announced on Friday.

Romney dodges immigration questions - POLITICO.com

[...]Romney has yet to offer an opinion on the merits of Obama’s immigration policy change. On Friday, he told reporters in New Hampshire that he supports Rubio’s proposal, which has yet to be introduced in the Senate.

On “Fox News Sunday,” Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Obama’s moved successfully undercut both Rubio and Romney.

“This was the anti-Marco Rubio initiative by the administration,” Kristol said. “They were scared. Sen. Rubio was about to introduce his version of the Dream Act, which would have been closer to what President Obama announced than the actual Democratic Dream Act. I wish Rubio had introduced it over the last month or two. He got stalled, not every Republican was on board, the Romney campaign’s been cautious about it.” [...]​
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Rubio was always a bad choice for the VP slot.

He was caught red-handed using an RNC credit card for personal purchases.

He was never going to deliver the Hispanic vote anyway. Non-Cuban Hispanics despise the breaks that Cubans have been given regarding immigration laws.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Rubio was always a bad choice for the VP slot.

He was caught red-handed using an RNC credit card for personal purchases.

He was never going to deliver the Hispanic vote anyway. Non-Cuban Hispanics despise the breaks that Cubans have been given regarding immigration laws.
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The choice of Rubio for VP is not the subject of this thread... The point is that Romney supports Rubio's plan apparently.
 
Just goes to show Democrats are the party of big business too.

Nothing wrong with multiculturalism as long as it expands the labor supply and drives down wages. You get to dissociate people from their food supply and encourage the obesity epidemic, and repeat the real estate bubble from menial construction to boot.

You gotta love the Irish fella who yelled at Obama about domestic labor. All Obama could muster was looking aside and turning his back as he walked away.

What a guy. What a guy.
 
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pbrauer said:
So, it seems as though Rubio' s immigration plan is very similar to what President Obama announced on Friday.

Romney dodges immigration questions - POLITICO.com

[...]Romney has yet to offer an opinion on the merits of Obama’s immigration policy change. On Friday, he told reporters in New Hampshire that he supports Rubio’s proposal, which has yet to be introduced in the Senate.

On “Fox News Sunday,” Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Obama’s moved successfully undercut both Rubio and Romney.

“This was the anti-Marco Rubio initiative by the administration,” Kristol said. “They were scared. Sen. Rubio was about to introduce his version of the Dream Act, which would have been closer to what President Obama announced than the actual Democratic Dream Act. I wish Rubio had introduced it over the last month or two. He got stalled, not every Republican was on board, the Romney campaign’s been cautious about it.” [...]​
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Both sides have been running around the illegal problem. Bush tried to get immigration reform passed but it failed. The Dems had a Dream Act that failed, now Rubio has a plan to address the same thing but in a different way. All this immigration stuff is nothing new, by either side.
 
Born Free said:
Both sides have been running around the illegal problem. Bush tried to get immigration reform passed but it failed. The Dems had a Dream Act that failed, now Rubio has a plan to address the same thing but in a different way. All this immigration stuff is nothing new, by either side.
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I'm not sure if there are any conservatives out there who actually oppose the issue.

Conservatives are all about rugged individualism and work ethic. They seem to have forgotten there's more to life than muddling around as a workaholic.

Maybe if conservatives weren't so against ideological discussion and getting involved with school, things would be different. As it is, they really don't care about the rule of law. They just care about acting without thinking and having a good time in the moment.
 
Born Free said:
Both sides have been running around the illegal problem. Bush tried to get immigration reform passed but it failed. The Dems had a Dream Act that failed, now Rubio has a plan to address the same thing but in a different way. All this immigration stuff is nothing new, by either side.
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The Democrats Dream Act had bipartisan support, but it was filibustered by the Republicans.

DREAM Act Dies in the Senate - CBS News
 
Born Free said:
Does it matter, all the immigration bills have failed for one reason or another.
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I think the main point here is that Romney is dancing around without answering questions whether he supports this or not officially.

He's waiting for public opinion to be gathered on whether he should or shouldn't support it.

Romney is showing his true colors here that he really is just more of the same.
 
TheNextEra said:
I think the main point here is that Romney is dancing around without answering questions whether he supports this or not officially.

He's waiting for public opinion to be gathered on whether he should or shouldn't support it.

Romney is showing his true colors here that he really is just more of the same.
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How else will Mr. Etch a Sketch know what position to take this week?
 
Born Free said:
Both sides have been running around the illegal problem. Bush tried to get immigration reform passed but it failed. The Dems had a Dream Act that failed, now Rubio has a plan to address the same thing but in a different way. All this immigration stuff is nothing new, by either side.
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No one up to now has been willing to touch the third rail of politics. He just can't seem to remember the back lash that happened the last time they tried amnesty. Maybe he was all choomed up, I dunno. I know there are about 10 million unemployed that won't be very happy with Obama authorizing work visas for so very many illegals.
 
AdamT said:
The original DREAM Act was actually a bipartisan bill — not a Democratic bill.
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H.R.4207 - American Dream Accounts Act of 2012

Sponsor

Representative Chaka Fattah D-PA

No Co-Sponsors

H.R.4207: American Dream Accounts Act of 2012 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

To be a Bi- Partisan bill there should be at least 1 (R) co-sponsor.

S.952 - DREAM Act of 2011

Sponsor

Senator Richard Durbin D-IL

34 co-sponsors

Sen. Daniel Akaka [D, HI] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Mark Begich [D, AK] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Michael Bennet [D, CO] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Jeff Bingaman [D, NM] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Richard Blumenthal [D, CT] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Barbara Boxer [D, CA] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Maria Cantwell [D, WA] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Benjamin Cardin [D, MD] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Thomas Carper [D, DE] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Chris Coons [D, DE] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D, CA] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Al Franken [D, MN] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand [D, NY] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Thomas Harkin [D, IA] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Daniel Inouye [D, HI] Added May 26, 2011
Sen. John Kerry [D, MA] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Amy Klobuchar [D, MN] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Herbert Kohl [D, WI] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Frank Lautenberg [D, NJ] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Carl Levin [D, MI] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Joseph Lieberman [I, CT] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Robert Menéndez [D, NJ] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Jeff Merkley [D, OR] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Barbara Mikulski [D, MD] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Bill Nelson [D, FL] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. John Reed [D, RI] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Bernard Sanders [I, VT] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Mark Udall [D, CO] Added May 11, 2011
Sen. Mark Warner [D, VA] Added May 12, 2011
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse [D, RI] Added May 11, 2011

S.952: DREAM Act of 2011 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

Maybe you are counting the 2 (I)'s that caucus with them anyway. Not a single (R) there either.

S.3992 - DREAM Act of 2010

Sponsor

Senator Richard Durbin D-IL

Co-Sponsors

Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT]

S.3992: DREAM Act of 2010 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

Again not there either.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Just a curiousity, what qualified it as a "bipartisan" bill for you?
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For me, or anyone, a bipartisan bill is one that has sponsors from both parties, like the original DREAM Act that was introduced by Dick Durbin and Orin Hatch in 2001.
 
AdamT said:
For me, or anyone, a bipartisan bill is one that has sponsors from both parties, like the original DREAM Act that was introduced by Dick Durbin and Orin Hatch in 2001.
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Cool. Thanks for sharing your definition.
 
Prof. Peabody said:
No one up to now has been willing to touch the third rail of politics. He just can't seem to remember the back lash that happened the last time they tried amnesty. Maybe he was all choomed up, I dunno. I know there are about 10 million unemployed that won't be very happy with Obama authorizing work visas for so very many illegals.
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There are 10 million American fruit pickers and lawn mowers?
 
Zyphlin said:
Cool. Thanks for sharing your definition.
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No problem. As you don't seem to consider that THE definition, how would you define it?
 
AdamT said:
No problem. As you don't seem to consider that THE definition, how would you define it?
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Don't really think there's a good way to universarly define it, which is why I wanted clarification. Some people go by those sponsoring the bill. Others go by the votes. Some may even go by the level of support. Me personally, it's more about the percentage make up of the support and/or sponsorship. One or two Senators or a handful of Rep's from the other side doesn't really make your bill bipartisan in my mind, regardless of side, it just means it's a bill in line with your side that you've managed to get a few people to jump over on.
 
TheNextEra said:
I think the main point here is that Romney is dancing around without answering questions whether he supports this or not officially.

He's waiting for public opinion to be gathered on whether he should or shouldn't support it.

Romney is showing his true colors here that he really is just more of the same.
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At this point Romney can't get away with being for the Dream Act in July and then against it in August.
 
Zyphlin said:
Don't really think there's a good way to universarly define it, which is why I wanted clarification. Some people go by those sponsoring the bill. Others go by the votes. Some may even go by the level of support. Me personally, it's more about the percentage make up of the support and/or sponsorship. One or two Senators or a handful of Rep's from the other side doesn't really make your bill bipartisan in my mind, regardless of side, it just means it's a bill in line with your side that you've managed to get a few people to jump over on.
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I think there are two concepts that you're mixing up: a bipartisan *bill*, which I would say needs cosponsors from both sides, and a bipartisan *law*, which could come from either or both parties but which (I would say) requires meaningful support from both parties.
 
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