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Obama nails down the Hispanic vote.

justabubba said:
yes, executive order
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President Obama didn't issue an executive order. He instructed DHS to issue an administrative order. What is the legal basis of the admin. order?

This is another power grab by the president that will be killed by the federal courts. Just like the Health Care Mandate will be killed within the next two weeks.
 
It's good to see the President stake out a progressive position on an issue without being forced to do so by Joe Biden. Not only was it an easy decision to make, it squarely puts throws the ball in Mr Romney's direction, who will effectively have to decide between the Republican primary voters who see his conservative credentials as mild at best, and the fastest growing ethnic group in the country. While it would have been nice to see Congress pass this legislation (Mr Obama today admitted that this policy is only a temporary fix, not a solution), it is still very rewarding to see the President embrace a very sensible position with such gusto.
 
Joby said:
It's good to see the President stake out a progressive position on an issue without being forced to do so by Joe Biden. Not only was it an easy decision to make, it squarely puts throws the ball in Mr Romney's direction, who will effectively have to decide between the Republican primary voters who see his conservative credentials as mild at best, and the fastest growing ethnic group in the country. While it would have been nice to see Congress pass this legislation (Mr Obama today admitted that this policy is only a temporary fix, not a solution), it is still very rewarding to see the President embrace a very sensible position with such gusto.
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I agree it is good to see the president take a stance, and that the decision is the right thing to do, but at the same time it is disconcerting to see the increase in the power of the executive branch. The Constitution provided for a balance of power for a reason.

And, no, as has already been pointed out, this increase in power didn't start with Obama. It probably won't end with Obama, either. One has to wonder just where it will stop, and how far it will go before people finally stand up and say, "enough!"
 
AdamT said:
If it bothers you, please don't pay attention to Mitt Romney. You could get whiplash as he flip flops on his primary "self deportation" rhetoric. He said he would repeal the DREAM Act if it passed ... but he's for Rubio's as-yet-unfiled, watered down version ... but he's against Obama's policy, which mirrors Rubio's proposal ... but he won't say if he would reverse Obama's policy ... even though he says he's against it ... because he claims that, for some reason, it would make it harder to pass a full-fledged bill....

Truly a bold stand. :lol:
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I wonder if Romney has realized that picking Rubio as his running mate would piss off hispanics with non-Cuban roots.
 
TurtleDude said:
maybe obama will convince the blue collar whites that Obama is against them and they will abandon voting for his hype and blame nonsense because obama is going to pander to minorities and try to get illegal immigrants to vote for him

vote fraud is Oblamer's best chance of retaining an office he never was qualified in the first place
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hahahaha turtledude you crack me up with your stuff.. We all know voter fraud is copyrighted by the right... 2000, 2004 ring a bell?
 
James D Hill said:
The President has nailed down the Hispanic vote with todays speach giving waivers to illegal immagrants who have lived their whole lives here,stayed out of trouble and where educated here with our tax money.In spite of the moron heckler I think this is a great idea that even the right wing supported at one time and that will put them on the defensive trying to explain why they changed their minds.

We all know why the right changed their minds.It is politically popular to bash immagrants in hard times.During the great depression the marijuana tax act was passed to drive away Mexicans who loved to smoke pot.

If the President wins over Hispanics then it is going to be hard to beat him in several swing states like Colorado,Nevada,NM or even some far right wing states with big hispanic population.

I think this is a smart move that may force Romney to distance Himself from His political base and hurt Him this fall.
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Sort of like Clinton " nailing" the intern vote.
 
johnny_rebson said:
I wonder if Romney has realized that picking Rubio as his running mate would piss off hispanics with non-Cuban roots.
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Only if the Conservatives label the move as one that will play well to the Hispanic population. If so, it will show just how how of touch on race and cultural issues they are (de facto bigotry).

If, on the other hand, they simply treat Rubio as the best available candidate and never try to label him the Hispanic candidate, then they will have no problem.

I think Obama has backed Romney into a corner so that he is highly tempted to pick Rubio (who is reasonably unvetted at the national level)... and they our culturally insensitive Cons will salute it as helping them woe the Latino vote, and then they have some pretty interesting election issues to overcome.
 
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1. The political coalition that put down "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" was broad. Obama has apparently decided (not without good reason) that this is going to be a "base" election, and he needs to make sure each portion is motivated. Look for him to try to toss something to African Americans to win them back after the gay marriage "evolution". However, independents, I think, may be net turned off by this. There is alot of broad sympathy in the American populace. But they want the problem of the incoming illegals solved first - they got burned last time and they haven't forgotten.

2. This is a naked political ploy. The Administration did it's best to kill Republican ideas that would have accomplished similar ends, but would have given credit to both sides, and would been retrograde enough to actually be legally passed through the Congress. Which brings us to

3. This is quite likely illegal. The President is required by the Constitution of the United States, to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed", not to pick and choose. The only exception to this rule is that the President shall not enforce unconstitutional statutes. Obama is not so much abusing prosecutorial discretion as he is using it as a paper thin tissue to try to alter the law. He isn't doing this because resources make it impossible to accomplish, but rather because he disagrees with the policy.

Imagine how liberals will react when President Romney announces that he has directed the IRS to no longer bother going about collecting Capital Gains or Corporate Taxes.
 
upsideguy said:
Only if the Conservatives label the move as one that will play well to the Hispanic population. If so, it will show just how how of touch on race and cultural issues they are (de facto bigotry).

If, on the other hand, they simply treat Rubio as the best available candidate and never try to label him the Hispanic candidate, then they will have no problem.

I think Obama has backed Romney into a corner so that he is highly tempted to pick Rubio (who is reasonably unvetted at the national level)... and they our culturally insensitive Cons will salute it as helping them woe the Latino vote, and then they have some pretty interesting election issues to overcome.
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Candidates hardly ever pick the running mate that's expected. Rubio is one of several attractive possibilities, Paul Ryan being possibly being even more attractive. Rubio's being Hispanic is simply a plus.
 
It is flawed thinking to consider all Hispanics as brown brothers in arms.

The biggest divisive difference between Cubans and central/south American Hispanics is the crazy immigration categories. Due to international politics any cuban coming to America and getting dry feet, ie out of the surf line is considered a political refugee and if they pass a backround check has a secure 'pathway to citizenship'. No quota to the number that can come over.

That can wear thin on other Hispanics who are always subject to discovery and deportation. Periodic Amnesty drives are not easy either as the C/S Hispanics have to document their time in the USofA.

A Cuban just needs to get dry feet in this country, all others live with the fear one day a knock will come, or a roundup will be done at work.

So don't count on Rubio bringing much more to the GOP than conservative Cubans.
 
Do you think Rubio will deliver Florida to the GOP?
 
So...according to the OP, the hispanic community is as foolish and willingly deceived as the gay community? Both communities accept that they are mere tokens with pro 'cause' policies being unveiled for mere political gain? Well...thats...just...I dont know...sad.

Dance, puppets, dance.
 
VanceMack said:
So...according to the OP, the hispanic community is as foolish and willingly deceived as the gay community? Both communities accept that they are mere tokens with pro 'cause' policies being unveiled for mere political gain? Well...thats...just...I dont know...sad.

Dance, puppets, dance.
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I think what those communities understand is that Obama has done more for them than any president in recent memory (Hispanics), or ever (gays), and that they would likely suffer serious reversals if Obama was to lose.
 
AdamT said:
I think what those communities understand is that Obama has done more for them than any president in recent memory (Hispanics), or ever (gays), and that they would likely suffer serious reversals if Obama was to lose.
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Really. What would happen if they were to assimilate into the country and become Americans instead of hyphenated Americans? Its happened with almost every ethnic group, they tend to start out as democratic voting blocks and slowly it curves back into a pretty even split based upon their life and family experiences in the US. Italians, Poles, Germans, and Irish being the most notable in the last century. What comes around goes around---hispanics will not find political power and indentity by allying themselves to one party based upon one issue.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Really. What would happen if they were to assimilate into the country and become Americans instead of hyphenated Americans?
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I believe that's exactly what they're after, and it's exactly what Republicans fear most.
 
VanceMack said:
So...according to the OP, the hispanic community is as foolish and willingly deceived as the gay community? Both communities accept that they are mere tokens with pro 'cause' policies being unveiled for mere political gain? Well...thats...just...I dont know...sad.
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Exactly. Why don't the Hispanics and gays realize that they would be better represented if they switched to the GOP?
 
johnny_rebson said:
Exactly. Why don't the Hispanics and gays realize that they would be better represented if they switched to the GOP?
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tell us why YOU think they do not
 
johnny_rebson said:
Exactly. Why don't the Hispanics and gays realize that they would be better represented if they switched to the GOP?
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Obama is running a P.T. Barum type of race. his slogan should be:

No one ever went broke UNDERESTIMATING the American public.
 
washunut said:
Obama is running a P.T. Barum type of race. his slogan should be:

No one ever went broke UNDERESTIMATING the American public.
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I'm not going to argue against that statement, but the issue of Hispanics and other minorities voting primarily for Democrats goes back well before Obama entered politics.
 
AdamT said:
I think what those communities understand is that Obama has done more for them than any president in recent memory (Hispanics), or ever (gays), and that they would likely suffer serious reversals if Obama was to lose.
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SUUUUUUURE they do! Like...waiting til an election year to announce positions which truly do nothing. Cuz...you know...he...cares. :lamo
 
James D Hill said:
The President has nailed down the Hispanic vote with todays speach giving waivers to illegal immagrants who have lived their whole lives here,stayed out of trouble and where educated here with our tax money.In spite of the moron heckler I think this is a great idea that even the right wing supported at one time and that will put them on the defensive trying to explain why they changed their minds..
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I think he has screwed himself.This should have been a second term issue so that he does not have any fear of backlash against voters. Most Americans know that any form of amnesty amounts to pouring more gas on the fire.

It is politically popular to bash immagrants in hard times.
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Cracking down on illegal immigration is not bashing immigrants. I am sure legal immigrants would be offended by you lumping them in with illegals.
 
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