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I think he is motivated to win the Whitehouse because...

None of us know whats in anybody else' heart and mind but why do you think the candidates want to be President? Its probably one of the most stressful jobs in the world. His decisions could and likely will cost people their lives. Half the country is going to hate his guts. Privacy is gone forever due to the necessity of Secret Service protection. There will be hundreds of people employed full-time who's job will be to stop everything you try to do and drag your name through the mud. A tough and thankless job but somebody has to do it and thankfully quite a few patriotic people apply for the job. Why do you think the two current candidates want to be POTUS? My opinion?

Obama-

Grew up poor and raised by a single mom and wants to be an example to young people from similar upbringings. Robinhood complex and wants to help the poor who he thinks are exploited by the rich. Wants to make his mark on history.

Romney-
Has achieved high professional success in everything he's ever set out to do. Wants to end his professional life having achieved ultimate success, being a great President of the United States of America. Wants to lead a life that would have made his dad proud.
 
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Sorry about the typo in the title. :(
 
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I am sure both of them, and everyone who has ever run for President, think they can make the country a better place. But I also think the thirst for power plays a role as well. With the possible exception of George Washington, I think the desire for power has been a prime motivating factor of everyone who has held that office. I think the people out there who would best be suited for the office would never in a million years seek it out.
 
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I am sure both of them, and everyone who has ever run for President, think they can make the country a better place. But I also think the thirst for power plays a role as well. With the possible exception of George Washington, I think the desire for power has been a prime motivating factor of everyone who has held that office. I think the people out there who would best be suited for the office would never in a million years seek it out.

well said.
 
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Sorry but it's all about ego, ego is what drives them.
 
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one of the things I look at in candidates is .. how badly they want the job.

the guy who I think wants it most, loses points with me.

Romney and Obama and have very few points left on the board with me as it is... and I think they both want the job ( or to keep it) far too badly.
 
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Sorry about the typo in the title. :(

and just how in the hell can i troll you for your typo if you address it before i get here?... jeeeeeeez ,give a guy a break :lol:
 
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one of the things I look at in candidates is .. how badly they want the job.

the guy who I think wants it most, loses points with me.

Romney and Obama and have very few points left on the board with me as it is... and I think they both want the job ( or to keep it) far too badly.

The guy that wants it most, is a factor that I like, but most important is his/her policies that count with me.
 
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The guy that wants it most, is a factor that I like, but most important is his/her policies that count with me.

that's fine by me, I just have a distrust for any man who seeks power over the populace.
 
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So do I. Romney's ambition is almost palpable (and is tied in, I think, with his father's losing).

But when I go to the poll, a primary factor for me will be competency. The current President has demonstrated to me time and again that he's not up for the job. I'd rather give a new devil a chance. ;)
 
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None of us know whats in anybody else' heart and mind but why do you think the candidates want to be President? Its probably one of the most stressful jobs in the world. His decisions could and likely will cost people their lives. Half the country is going to hate his guts. Privacy is gone forever due to the necessity of Secret Service protection. There will be hundreds of people employed full-time who's job will be to stop everything you try to do and drag your name through the mud. A tough and thankless job but somebody has to do it and thankfully quite a few patriotic people apply for the job. Why do you think the two current candidates want to be POTUS? My opinion?

Obama-

Grew up poor and raised by a single mom and wants to be an example to young people from similar upbringings. Robinhood complex and wants to help the poor who he thinks are exploited by the rich. Wants to make his mark on history.

Romney-
Has achieved high professional success in everything he's ever set out to do. Wants to end his professional life having achieved ultimate success, being a great President of the United States of America. Wants to lead a life that would have made his dad proud.

I think people around them feed them the idea, first. . . I don't think many Potus' actually think of it, first, themselves. . . and pursue it because they had the idea. You can't become president without having some sort of widespread, solid support.

In several autobiographies this is how it tends to play out.
 
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So do I. Romney's ambition is almost palpable (and is tied in, I think, with his father's losing).

But when I go to the poll, a primary factor for me will be competency. The current President has demonstrated to me time and again that he's not up for the job. I'd rather give a new devil a chance. ;)

If you remember back in 2008 before Obama got the nomination, Joe Biden's said Obama wasn't ready. I think Ole Joe was right about that one.
 
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So do I. Romney's ambition is almost palpable (and is tied in, I think, with his father's losing).

But when I go to the poll, a primary factor for me will be competency. The current President has demonstrated to me time and again that he's not up for the job. I'd rather give a new devil a chance. ;)

Lets be fair and honest. In terms of policies that have actually been enacted, are at work today that he introduced and are causing harm to the economy.

-Taxes: never raised them, only cut them.

-Healthcare: won't take effect for a couple more years (btw: imho not the best solution but not in effect yet).

-Auto industry bailout: saved manufacturing jobs in MI as well as sales, parts, repair and advertising nationally; GM instead of being defunked is the number one auto company in the world; money being repaid with interest.

-Stimulus: increased the deficit but since we're not paying it down yet its not taking money out of anyone's pockets until we start. If I rack up credit card debt, its no money out of my pocket until I start paying them. The worse is I get collections calls asking me to give it up. Until I do I still have the same amount of money. I agree we're going to have to pay the piper eventually but to say we're not doing well today before we've even started I don't get. I think his plan was to tax the super rich at higher levels but has been blocked. Not saying any of it was a good idea but I also don't see how that's impacting the economy until we start paying it down.

- Oil drilling/pipelines: I do see this one but I'm also hopeful about the new energy technology jobs coming soon.

IMHO Ross Perot nailed it on the direction we were going in wrt the economy back in 1992. He was talking about NAFTA but it encompasses the Pacific Rim too. We paved the highway for jobs that were in America to be farmed out to the Third World and the full impact of that came to fruition two decades later.

Giant Sucking Sound - Ross Perot 1992 Presidential Debate.flv - YouTube
 
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Lets be fair and honest. In terms of policies that have actually been enacted, are at work today that he introduced and are causing harm to the economy.

-Taxes: never raised them, only cut them.

-Healthcare: won't take effect for a couple more years (btw: imho not the best solution but not in effect yet).

-Auto industry bailout: saved manufacturing jobs in MI as well as sales, parts, repair and advertising nationally; GM instead of being defunked is the number one auto company in the world; money being repaid with interest.

-Stimulus: increased the deficit but since we're not paying it down yet its not taking money out of anyone's pockets until we start. If I rack up credit card debt, its no money out of my pocket until I start paying them. The worse is I get collections calls asking me to give it up. Until I do I still have the same amount of money. I agree we're going to have to pay the piper eventually but to say we're not doing well today before we've even started I don't get. I think his plan was to tax the super rich at higher levels but has been blocked. Not saying any of it was a good idea but I also don't see how that's impacting the economy until we start paying it down.

- Oil drilling/pipelines: I do see this one but I'm also hopeful about the new energy technology jobs coming soon.

IMHO Ross Perot nailed it on the direction we were going in wrt the economy back in 1992. He was talking about NAFTA but it encompasses the Pacific Rim too. We paved the highway for jobs that were in America to be farmed out to the Third World and the full impact of that came to fruition two decades later.

Giant Sucking Sound - Ross Perot 1992 Presidential Debate.flv - YouTube

just to clarify.. Obama's record on taxes is a mixed bag... he has increased some and he has cut some ( mostly through temporary deductions/credits)

to say he has not increased taxes, only cut them... is false.
it's silly to ride his ass about tax increases ( thus far).. and it's silly to ride his coattails over tax cuts ( thus far).. he's done both.
 
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just to clarify.. Obama's record on taxes is a mixed bag... he has increased some and he has cut some ( mostly through temporary deductions/credits)

to say he has not increased taxes, only cut them... is false.
it's silly to ride his ass about tax increases ( thus far).. and it's silly to ride his coattails over tax cuts ( thus far).. he's done both.

I stand corrected.


The idea that Obama did not raise taxes is just plain wrong. He signed legislation raising taxes on cigarettes and other tobacco products soon after taking office; that money goes to pay for children's health insurance programs. The law went into effect in 2009. He also signed the health care law, which includes taxes on indoor tanning that went into effect last year. (Regular PolitiFact readers will remember our fact-check of reality TV star Snooki and her complaint about the new tax last year.)

The new health care law also includes a tax on people who decide not to have health insurance, as an incentive for them to get coverage.

...the health care law includes new taxes on the wealthy, starting in 2013. Individuals who make more than $200,000 and couples that make more than $250,000 will see additional Medicare taxes of 0.9 percent. They will also, for the first time, have to pay Medicare taxes on their investment income at a 3.8 percent rate....

PolitiFact | President Barack Obama says he didn't raise taxes once.
 
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Romney has said on numerous occasions that most of the things he does are to impress Anne. I know that could come off as just schilling for yourself, to make yourself seem like a family man... but there's more to it than that. Mormons feel that when they're with someone that they stay with them for eternity, and their actions now on earth can be held against them forever, so they attempt to do what they can to impress their women. However, as Romney also pointed out, "what is it, something like 90% of all the decisions made by man have been made to impress women"... and when he does he points to Helen of Troy... I can't say he's far off there, and I'm sure a part of Obama's motivation is impressing Michelle, as well.

To the point of Obama's effect on the economy, one of the major things holding us back right now from heavy rounds of hiring, is that the companies know the effects ObamaCare will have on the cost of their personnel once that goes into place, and they can't afford to increase payroll costs. I'm sure a lot of the current layoffs are motivaed by trying to cut payroll costs to adjust for those increases, too.

Another way Obama has held the economy back, is by keeping the corporate tax rates as high as they are... and constantly saying he's going to raise capital gains and personal income taxes. That's telling rich people, and large companies to move your capital overseas, to avoid the tax rates. It's also preventing foreign investors from bringing their capital here. It's also preventing current companies from hiring employees.

Still, the massive increases to the debt have had a major effect on the economy as well. One of the ways that occured was with Moody's downgrading out credit rating from AAA. That means we're gonna have to be borrowing at higher rates. As a result it makes people less interested in investing in US Currency, which holds down the value of the dollar. Just having the debt alone holds down the value of the dollar. Then add in inflation with it. Obama's monetary policy has not benefited the economy, that's for sure.

However, 1 of the biggest ways Obama has hurt the economy, is by propping up failing companies with government money. This has the effect of having companies make promises they can't keep, and then collapsing. The Solyndra debacle is a major example of this occuring. The auto bailout is another.

Obama went around falsely promoting the fact that both GM and Chrysler repaid their loans... but they used government money to do so... and GM hasn't paid back the $35B stock purchase that Obama made in them. He also went around singing GM's praises trying to raise their stock value, which the company isn't worth being backed. They thrived in one year--the very year that the tsunami hit northern Japan, causing destruction to many auto manufacturers parts makers. So Toyota, Honda, and Ford had massive delays in production, and GM benefited from the market share. But, in reality, they are still paying too much to their workers, and over the longhaul, do not have the key factors in place to promote longterm success for GM. He heavily encouraged GM to promote Union workers, and failed to use this opportunity to drive down the cost of labor on the car makers.

He has also attempted to promote this efficient vehicle program, which is falsely manipulating the market. The GM production of the Chevy Volt had been propped up as the futuristic EV that was not going to need to run on fuel. The trouble is, the line was delayed several years before it came out. Once it did there were some problems with the vehicle, and they needed to stop production to make alterations--which added to the overall cost of the vehicle. Once they put it back out, after the initial success in sales (which was largely to single purchasers), they increased production, for a market that wasn't there, and have had to shut down and scale back production. Because of it's high costs, it's way out of the range for people who are in the market for a new vehicle. A Volt in the high $40Ks, even with the $7500 tax credit, is way above the value of other fuel efficient vehicles in its class. Why would someone want to pay $36K for a Volt, when they could pay $17K/$18K and get a Kia, VW Jetta, Ford Focus, etc. and get 30+mpg. Even with the currently high cost of gas, it would take 20 years for the cost of gas purchases over that vehicles lifetime to catch up with the initial purchase of the Volt, nevermind the electricity charges for having to recharge the car's battery. THAT'S NOT COST EFFICIENT. The free market has an amazing way of filtering out which products are efficient and which are not... prices...

Obama's motivation to be president seems to be revolving around manipulating what America is, to become more socialist in nature, and that's what's hurting the US economy. He forcing nationalized healthcare, he voiced a desire to have increased fossil fuel prices to benefit his green technology companies and fuel efficient vehicles, and he's been going around the country promoting unions against the right to work...

That's one of the major aspects of this election. Romney is a free market guy, who knows how to get the economy going again and Obama is a socialist... who thinks the government knows best. So he wants to raid the success of free market enterprises to redistribute the wealth to institutionalize government reliance as a means of "modernizing" our society. However, "modernization" to Obama means the ideals what liberals and socialists see as right, not what the greater majority of Americans want, and have found successful for generations.
 
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There's no mystery about Romney's motivation. His das was a successful businessman, so Mitt goes into business. His dad was a governor so Mitt runs for governor. His dad ran for president so Mitt runs for president....

To bad he's not as smart or humble as his dad.
 
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There's no mystery about Romney's motivation. His das was a successful businessman, so Mitt goes into business. His dad was a governor so Mitt runs for governor. His dad ran for president so Mitt runs for president....

To bad he's not as smart or humble as his dad.

He only outearned his dad in business, and unlike his father he has won the nomination of his party... but what does he know... He's only a Baker Scholar, and getting paid millions to do absolutely nothing right now...

However, this is such flawed reasoning...

Romney most likely went to the bathroom some time today, do you think he did that on his own, or is everything the guy's ever done been motivated by wanting to be his father?

His dad was a major influence in Romney's life, even admittedly so by Mitt Romney himself, but to discredit Romney's motivation as only attributable to his father is quite ridiculous...

Instead of staying in Detroit, and taking some executive position in the auto industry, which he could've done with his father's assistance... he left the state, went halfway across the country, and made his name doing something else entirely...

The guy has made his own way as much as anyone who grew up with a father as wealthy, well known, and influential ever could... With the mission in France, in forming his own business, and in leading what's amounting thus far to be a successful national campaign for president...
 
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Right, as I said, he's motivated by a desire to one-up his father -- prove to daddy that he's better than him. Unfortunately, unlike his dad, Mitt has no core principles. He will say or do anything to achieve his landmarks, whereas in his father's case, the landmarks were a consequence of his convictions.
 
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