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Rasmussen: Romney inches past Obama in Wisconsin

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I'm not just posting this to say "I told you".... but....... :mrgreen:

Mitt Romney now leads President Obama for the first time in Wisconsin where the president's support has fallen to its lowest level to date.

The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Likely Voters shows Romney with 47% of the vote to Obama’s 44%. Five percent (5%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided...

Prior to this survey, Obama's support in the state has ranged from 45% to 52%, while Romney has earned 41% to 45%. Last month, the numbers were Obama 49%, Romney 45%. The president led his likely Republican challenger by 11 points in March - 52% to 41%...



cpwill predicts responses will go ad-sourcinem against the effects of rasmussen polling likely voters rather than deal with the numbers
 
I'm not just posting this to say "I told you".... but....... :mrgreen:





cpwill predicts responses will go ad-sourcinem against the effects of rasmussen polling likely voters rather than deal with the numbers



Of course the cry will be Rasmussen is biased, but these figures - Wisconsin: Romney 47%, Obama 44% - are something to think about.
 
It's really amazing how both sides try to play up these polls when they really don't mean a whole lot right now. Romney hasn't even picked a running mate yet which will play a big part in the long run as well as debates between the two.

By all means though, don't let me ruin the moment of the partisans.
 
This poll isn't important because it says Romney will win Wisconsin. It's important because it Demonstrates that the recall election has implications beyond Walker - that contra the instant-analysis of the exit-polls, Wisconsin is a battleground state for 2012.
 
I'm not just posting this to say "I told you".... but....... :mrgreen:








cpwill predicts responses will go ad-sourcinem against the effects of rasmussen polling likely voters rather than deal with the numbers

That poll goes back and forth like all polls and theres other that say the opposite...I believe it is true that the momentum is going towards romney and that he has picked up lately. If it continues he will be the winner.
 
Regardless of the bias in Rasmussen's reporting, the poll still tells us something. Unless we're too believe that magically Rasmussen's method WEREN'T biased in it's previous reporting but suddenly is now.

Even removing the numbers from the equation, if those that will complain about Rasmussen do so, it still paints an interesting picture.

There's been a three month swing in that state, right during the heart of the recall election, you have a +11 total swing for Romney (+6 for Romney, -5 for Obama).

Does it mean WI is going Romney this year? Not necessarily. However, regardless of claims of "Bias" on the part of Rasmussen, the trend is not a positive one for the Obama Campaign. It's not HUGELY important in terms of November because there's still a ton of actual campaign time till then. That doesn't mean it's not a negative for the Obama Campaign though, nor does it mean that it's not evidence that there is...even if it may just be temporary...at least a slight turn in the mentality of the state in the wake of the Walker recall. We'll have to wait and see if that shift remains throughout the year or if things settle back to normal.
 
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Regardless of the bias in Rasmussen's reporting, the poll still tells us something. Unless we're too believe that magically Rasmussen's method WEREN'T biased in it's previous reporting but suddenly is now.

Even removing the numbers from the equation, if those that will complain about Rasmussen do so, it still paints an interesting picture.

There's been a three month swing in that state, right during the heart of the recall election, you have a +11 total swing for Romney (+6 for Romney, -5 for Obama).

Does it mean WI is going Romney this year? Not necessarily. However, regardless of claims of "Bias" on the part of Rasmussen, the trend is not a positive one for the Obama Campaign. It's not HUGELY important in terms of November because there's still a ton of actual campaign time till then. That doesn't mean it's not a negative for the Obama Campaign though, nor does it mean that it's not evidence that there is...even if it may just be temporary...at least a slight turn in the mentality of the state in the wake of the Walker recall. We'll have to wait and see if that shift remains throughout the year or if things settle back to normal.


Rasmussen leans right...but rasmussen makes his living on Poll Results, he cant afford to be blatantly biased. I agree with your post zyphlin and its premise. I also believe that they poll will go back and forth and that wisconsin is still a tossup at this point
 
It's really amazing how both sides try to play up these polls when they really don't mean a whole lot right now. Romney hasn't even picked a running mate yet which will play a big part in the long run as well as debates between the two.

By all means though, don't let me ruin the moment of the partisans.
Does amybody really care about the running mates? If people do, then the cadidate made a mistake, right?
 
I am more interested to see if this is a result of the recall election and in a few months things go back, or if this is something else.
 
Does amybody really care about the running mates? If people do, then the cadidate made a mistake, right?

Can't speak for anyone but had McCain chosen Liebermann instead of Palin I likely would've voted 3rd party or stayed home at the time rather than casting the vote I did for McCain.
 
Does amybody really care about the running mates? If people do, then the cadidate made a mistake, right?

Yes, they do, hence why Sarah Palin sunk McCain.
 
Yes, they do, hence why Sarah Palin sunk McCain.
As I said, people care if the candidate makes a mistake, right? Hey, did you or do you give a damn about Joe Biden???
 
Yes, they do, hence why Sarah Palin sunk McCain.

Again, this is just untrue no matter how many times you and others keep repeating it.

Go back and look at the polls. Go look at the funding numbers. McCain's camp was stagnant until the jolt that the Palin pick gave him. Donations and money increased significantly upon the pick. Grassroots activity, word of mouth, and excitement about the campaign ticked significantly up. The choice of Palin largely helped McCain completely negate Obama's DNC bounce and capitalize the most on the RNC bounce, catapulting him to his first lead in the polls in some time. McCain was already doing significantly worse than Obama in polling with independents prior to the pick of Palin because of his attempts to move to the right...but was FAILING at actually substantially attracting the right. McCain already damaged his hope of winning over independents long before the Palin pick, but needed the Palin pick to at least capitalize on his own base. The largest sinking of the McCain camp was the horrendous strategy employed by them in regards to the handling of the selection and the time after the selection of Palin.
 
Again, this is just untrue no matter how many times you and others keep repeating it.

Go back and look at the polls. Go look at the funding numbers. McCain's camp was stagnant until the jolt that the Palin pick gave him. Donations and money increased significantly upon the pick. Grassroots activity, word of mouth, and excitement about the campaign ticked significantly up. The choice of Palin largely helped McCain completely negate Obama's DNC bounce and capitalize the most on the RNC bounce, catapulting him to his first lead in the polls in some time. McCain was already doing significantly worse than Obama in polling with independents prior to the pick of Palin because of his attempts to move to the right...but was FAILING at actually substantially attracting the right. McCain already damaged his hope of winning over independents long before the Palin pick, but needed the Palin pick to at least capitalize on his own base. The largest sinking of the McCain camp was the horrendous strategy employed by them in regards to the handling of the selection and the time after the selection of Palin.

You can claim that the independents were not going for McCain all you want, but the fact remains that the Sarah Palin pick SOLIDIFIED the fact he would lose those independents.

I knew many of independents that were on the fence before the Sarah Palin pick, but afterwords when she started giving speaches and debates, they quickly went over to the Obama side.

Sarah Palin sunk it for McCain. You cannot win an election by concentrating on solidifying your base while ignoring independents.
 
You can claim that the independents were not going for McCain all you want, but the fact remains that the Sarah Palin pick SOLIDIFIED the fact he would lose those independents.

Well...I will claim that because I can look at the polls. Though admittedly I had remembered poorly in terms of Obama having a lead. In reality, the polls were relatively similar for them with independents throughout. From June through August (just prior to the Palin Pick) the two of them kept swapping back and forth over who was leading, with the gap being larger than 5% only once (a 7% lead for Obama) SOURCE. By the end of the election? Obama had a 2% lead in the independent vote Source. So before Palin they were constantly within a few points from each other and at the end.....they were a few points from each other. The storyline that Palin was some huge drag on independents is a myth created by liberals that doesn't bear fruit in reality. The independents she turned off were the individuals who largely were going to swing to Obama's side anyways where as, on the flip side she helped him increase in the republican support. Notice form those same links...prior to Palin he was pulling in about 84% of the Republican vote and 68% of the conservative. Post Palin? 93% and 77% respectively.

If you want to talk "moderates" rather than independents then you have something. Pre-Palin Obama 51% and McCain 35%. Post-Palin? 63% to 37%. The numbers in moderates went up for Obama, but they also increased in measurement similar to the increased bump he got in his base. Note, McCain ALSO bumped up in Moderates by the end as well, just not as much.

When talking independents, the Palin pick didn't hurt. You could make an argument it hurt him in terms of the moderate vote but its highly questionable if the hurt it did him there outweights the good it did him in other sectoins. That also of course simply assumes that those moderates that went from undecided to Obama did so due to Palin.

I knew many of independents that were on the fence before the Sarah Palin pick, but afterwords when she started giving speaches and debates, they quickly went over to the Obama side.

Thank you for anecdotal evidence. I knew many that went the other way.

Sarah Palin sunk it for McCain. You cannot win an election by concentrating on solidifying your base while ignoring independents.

You can't win an electoin by ignoring independents and FAILING to solidfy your base either, which is what McCain was doing.

It's why I lay the blame for the McCain failure on McCain, not Palin. McCain was NEVER going to significantly win over the conservative and republican base in 08. He spat in their eye far to many times for it to be convincing. He at least had some credentials to pitch to independents. Picking Palin would've given him a chance to push himself publicly in his speech towards the middle and attempt to woo Independents while Palin is working in the background solidfying the base that he couldn't get on his own. Instead...he pushed her to the forefront and then tried to out right-wing his right-wing selection which still didn't endear him to his base but I believe helped cement the distrust independents and moderates had begun to form of him prior to his selection.

Had he selected a "moderate" or especially a moderate liberal, such as Lieberman, I fully believe he would've been doomed. Your base are you big campaign donators and they would've became even MORE disenchanted, hurting him financially. You need the base to spread the word of mouth and a pick like that would not have done it. It would CONTINUE to disenchant the base with him, slagging turnout and support, all in hopes of capturing a moderate and independent group that had a large portion significantly enamored with Barack Obama.

The issue was not the selection of Palin...the issue was the horrible handling of the selection and the horrible campaign strategy after that selectoin.
 
Rasmussen can exist even with a right lean just as Fox Noise can. There are people who want to believe a right leaning polling organization. It should be noted this thread only uses the Rassie, ignoring all the many other polls out there.

What I have noticed is all the other polls have President Obama ahead with one or two showing a tie.

One outfit says one thing, all the others something else but let's go with the one we like.

What has also been reported is the exit polls from the recall have most voters decoupling their recall vote from their choice of party candidate. I don't think Walker's survival means as much as some would like given the money spent in saving him and the fact several ardent Conservatives in the State House were tossed out and the state senate switched hands.

The funny thing about reading tea leaves is the 'reader' brings their hopes, dreams and probably most important, their fears to the cup.

Drink up Shriners... it is going to be quite a race. :peace
 
Rasmussen can exist even with a right lean just as Fox Noise can. There are people who want to believe a right leaning polling organization. It should be noted this thread only uses the Rassie, ignoring all the many other polls out there.

What I have noticed is all the other polls have President Obama ahead with one or two showing a tie.

One outfit says one thing, all the others something else but let's go with the one we like.

So after all of your bluster of discounting it...

Was Rasmussen NOT leaning right when it showed Obama ahead by 11 points but IS biased now?

or does the fact that the poll...regardless of whether it shows Obama or Romney ahead...has shifted 11 points in favor of one candidate over the past three months have some worth?



The funny thing about reading tea leaves is the 'reader' brings their hopes, dreams and probably most important, their fears to the cup.

This line made me kind of laugh
 
As I said, people care if the candidate makes a mistake, right? Hey, did you or do you give a damn about Joe Biden???

Obama could have chosen anyone, and none would have given a damn.
 
Point to where I gave high praise and drum rolls to Rassie's earlier polls.

Your 'logic' fails as it easily could have been a 15 to 16 point lead if not for a right leaning bias so you prove nothing other than you want to believe one over the others.

The question isn't one poll showing such a swing, but what do ALL the polls show?

Again you can pick and chose your tea leaves.

Laugh all you want, cheerful people live longer.
 
I'm no expert, but it is my understanding the race is for president of the United States and there is something called an electoral college. It appears Romney's electors are stuck in electoral H.S., cuz Obama has never not been ahead. Not even for a nanosecond. So,


choke on that.
 
Your 'logic' fails as it easily could have been a 15 to 16 point lead if not for a right leaning bias so you prove nothing other than you want to believe one over the others.

And if it had been a 15 to 16 point lead previously instead of an 11 point it'd STILL be showing a 11% swing over a 3 month period which still tells us something.

The question isn't one poll showing such a swing, but what do ALL the polls show?

Please point me to the other polls that have put out any information in Wisconsin before and after the election there? I'd be happy to look at them to take into account the whole picture. I much prefer that over individual polls as well.

HOWEVER....according to the polls recorded by RCP...no other major poll HAS conducted a post election poll yet. PPP? Hasn't done one post election. Marquette University? Hasn't done one post election yet. NBC? Not one after the electoin yet. WPR? Again, none after the election.

So please...where are these other magical polls you ask me to tell you about because it appears they don't exist.

Know what does exist? Their numbers for prior to the election that we can compare to Rasmussens...

It's last poll prior to the electoin Rasmussen had Obama up +4 with a 49% to 45% lead. How's that compare?

Well, the DailyKOS/PPP Poll (Surely a right leaning biased poll) had Obama up +1 in its poll before the election, 47% to 46%. Similar to Rasmussens, but actually a little better towards the Republican side of things.

Marquette? A 46% tie. Again, better for the Republican side then the Rasmussen one.

WPR? +6 for Obama, so better than Rasmussen, but again with Obama at 49% and Romney at 43% its very close to what Rasmussen was reporting.

So it seems like Rasmussen's was right in line with every other poll in the state prior to the election occuring, even judging the Republicans HARSHER than some of the polls did. But we're supposed to just utterly reject and take nothing away what so ever from their post election poll because of their "right leaning bias" and rely on other polls instead.....other polls, which haven't actually been published.

And you're talking about other people picking and choosing? Ha
 
I'm no expert, but it is my understanding the race is for president of the United States and there is something called an electoral college. It appears Romney's electors are stuck in electoral H.S., cuz Obama has never not been ahead. Not even for a nanosecond. So,

choke on that.

Wow....

This is...wow.

If you're wanting to go the electoral route, NEITHER of them are ahead because neither of them have a single electoral vote yet. I don't believe anyone is suggesting that Polls determine who becomes President. It seems simply that people are suggesting Polls can give insight into what may occur in terms of voting during the election.
 
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