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What a Difference Four Years Make!

January 2008, Obama inherited an 8.1% unemployment rate,

You're incorrect. Unemployment was at 6 percent while Obama was inaugurated and skyrocketed to 11 percent by 2011. You need to stop blaming Bush and accept the fact that Obama is a complete and utter failure.
 
If you want to play the "What happened?" game... then lets go...

Clinton speeking about how bright our future is:
Clinton's 2000 State of the Union Address - YouTube

Yes we did have a bright future until 911 happened.



And those were the devastating results after the Liberal democrats won the super majority and controlled the house and senate.

You need to stop blaming Bush and accept the fact that Obama and ALL the LIBERALS are a complete and utter failure.
 
January 2008, Obama inherited an 8.1% unemployment rate, a major financial crisis, two wars and a $10.7 trillion national debt from the Bush administration.


Did you even read the stats? Are you that blinded by your bias that you can't see the facts right in front of your eyes?..........One thing I agree with you on, he inherited a 10 million dollar debt but he increased it to 15 trillion more then all the other president combined..........
 
Did you even read the stats? Are you that blinded by your bias that you can't see the facts right in front of your eyes?..........One thing I agree with you on, he inherited a 10 million dollar debt but he increased it to 15 trillion more then all the other president combined..........

I'm sure you meant to say that he inherited a $10 TRILLION debt -- not million. It has gone up by about 50% under Obama. It tripled under Reagan and doubled under Bush.
 
Thank you. That is by far the most intelligent response to this challenge I have ever seen. At least we have a foundation for an adult conversation.

Obviously, I am a big Keynesian. As such, I believe the economy has a significant psychological component to it (you are either bullish or bearish, and that outlook dictates your spending, saving and investment practices). When an economy stalls, the principal way to effect that psychology and make more people bullish is a stimulus; a positive shock to the system and then the system works itself, much like restarting the heart. Unfortunately for those that hate otherwise, only the government is sufficiently large enough to actually jump start an economy the size of the US AND is the only entity in position to lose the money, in the short-run, that is necessary to make this happen.

Fundamentally I do agree with your assertion that lump sum rebates are not much more than a small shot in the arm. The Bush 10 year tax cut and the 1 or 2 year payroll tax cut under Obama are each forms of fiscal policy that had bigger stimulus effect. The problem with the Bush tax cuts is that it gave too much money to the high income group, and that money is n not guaranteed to work its way back into the economy in a stimulative effect.

I get the theory of lowering cost to adjust supply curves. I do have a problem, however, with thinking that lowering taxes is the same thing as lowering costs. Supply curves exist based upon production and distribution costs (the cost of the business); taxes are neither. Although taxes arise out of the business, they are levied at and dependent upon the particular business structure and history. Two companies can offer the same product, subject to a common supply curve, but have drastically different corporate tax structures. They must compete in the specific market based upon production costs, regardless of what they pay in taxes..... Hence, cutting their corporate taxes (or the owners taxes) does mean diddly (at least in the short run). Taxes just do not work their way into pricing models and do not affect the supply curve.

I spent 10 years of my career doing business acquisitions. We typically acquired businesses for their business lines, not to run as stand-along companies. We considered taxes only as a transaction issue; rarely did it enter into our business assessment (again, as taxes are leveled on the corporate structure rather than product). We certainly looked hard at the cost of producing and delivering products; taxes were irrelevant.
Surely, when you estimated your expected return on the transaction, you did so on an after-tax basis.

To illustrate that income tax levels must have SOME effect on supply, consider the extreme case: A marginal income tax rate of 100% would presumably reduce marginal production to zero, would it not?
 
i've just read throught this whole post and have come to the conclusion i'm going to "write in ron paul". increasing or decreasing the money supply is what causes inflation and debt and the federal reserve has a monopoly on that. so i believe ron is the only one who is at least SERIOUS about doing somthing about it oh and he hasn't flip flopped on this subject to get votes either.
 
i've just read throught this whole post and have come to the conclusion i'm going to "write in ron paul". increasing or decreasing the money supply is what causes inflation and debt and the federal reserve has a monopoly on that. so i believe ron is the only one who is at least SERIOUS about doing somthing about it oh and he hasn't flip flopped on this subject to get votes either.

He's also not got a chance in hell in winning. So basically you could write in any name, even Mickey Mouse and have the same effect. Why even show up at the polls?
 
I'm sure you meant to say that he inherited a $10 TRILLION debt -- not million. It has gone up by about 50% under Obama. It tripled under Reagan and doubled under Bush.

Yeah I did mean trillion...thanks............Ru kidding me. Hussein increased the debt of this country over 5 trillion, more then all the other presidents in history combined......Bush was a spender, I will give you that, but compared to Hussein Obama he is a piker......RR spent to this difference is figuring the GDP it was modet and RR was president over the biggest economic boon in history..........Why the hell do you think he won 49 states in the 1984 presidential election??? get real........
 
Bush only had to spend because of 9/11 that he inherited from Clinton.
 
He's also not got a chance in hell in winning. So basically you could write in any name, even Mickey Mouse and have the same effect. Why even show up at the polls?

So unless you're gonna vote for Obama or Romney there's no reason to vote?

God how I hate that mindset.
 
You're incorrect. Unemployment was at 6 percent while Obama was inaugurated and skyrocketed to 11 percent by 2011. You need to stop blaming Bush and accept the fact that Obama is a complete and utter failure.
We're both wrong, but I was closer than you. The unemployment rate in January 2009 was 7.8% and rising. As you can see by the BLS chart below the unemployment trajectory started under Bush in Feb. 2008 at 4.9% and skyrocketed to 7.8% Jan. 2009. Why didn't Bush stop it from rising before it got to 7.8%?
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Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

If you notice on the chart and link above, the umemployment rate peaked at 10% in October 2009 and has been slowly going down ever since. Granted, not nearly fast enough but then considering the GOP has blocked all attempts to fix the economy and Obama hasn't been able to raise taxes like Reagan did to recover from a recession, I'm not surprised the recovery has taken so long. You need to accept that the GOP caused the economic crisis and have deliberatly blocked all attempts to fix it and stop blaming Obama.
 
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He's also not got a chance in hell in winning. So basically you could write in any name, even Mickey Mouse and have the same effect. Why even show up at the polls?
and you think your vote matters i say ha!
 
From the Weekly Talking Point manual.

This OP is a pathetic piece of GOP propaganda.
 
Go ahead, last I remember Obama or Clinton never served. What excuse do you give them?

Clinton was a draft dodger, pretty sure Obama was like 7 when we had the draft.
 
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