Romney Will Win Big

Redress said:

Going into the election? Carter was the guy who had not rescued our hostages. That more than anything defined the election. Reagan was seen as a common sense, down home, likable guy.

Note that the economy was quite different in 1980 than it is now, and was not improving as it is now.

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Yes Reagan was likable, a hell of a lot more than Romney comes across.

proud2Bcatholic said:

Us old guys remember 1980. It was around six months until November. The polls in the Liberal Lamestream Media had Reagan at around 38% and Carter up in the 60's. The media painted Reagan as dumb, a boob, out of touch, and the war monger likely to start a nuclear war.

Sound familiar? Its the same old song and dance from the left.

Mark my words: Romney will win big because the people won't be duped by the media..... ..except for the liberals of course, who actually want to be duped.

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There's a big difference between Reagan and Romney.

Reagan is viewed as a conservative.

Romney is viewed as a moderate or a liberal, depending on who you talk to.

You have heard of RomneyCare, haven't you?

I think anyone who claims now what the outcome will be is either being wishful or just guessing. Way too many things can happen in the next 4 months

johnny_rebson said:

There's a big difference between Reagan and Romney.

Reagan is viewed as a conservative.

Romney is viewed as a moderate or a liberal, depending on who you talk to.

You have heard of RomneyCare, haven't you?

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the difference is that those who didn't support Reagan in the primary supported him in the general election. The GOP didn't have as many sore losers who wanted to see an idiot like Carter get a second term so the sore losers could whine

Now we have lots of sore losers who apparently are mad a christian extremist like Santorum didn't win BTW Romney is as or more conservative economically than Santorum

Redress said:

You can think that Obama made the economy worse, but that is an opinion. Under Carter, the economy got worse. Under Obama, the economy got better. That is a significant difference.

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Actually, you're wrong... Under Carter the economy got better from what Ford left... and then had slow stagnation that ended in a recession...

Similarly under Obama, the economy got better from what Bush left... and now we've had a period of slow stagnation which is currently in decline (and even Clinton the other day said he felt it was the beginning of a recession)...

The OP is correct, this election is shaping up a lot like the one in 1980... things are cyclical like that... They tend to switch every 20-30 years along the generations... FDR--JFK--Clinton, Teddy--Coolidge/Hoover--Nixon/Ford--Reagan/Bush--Bush, Truman--Carter--Obama...

The 80 election swung on the economy being so stagnant... Obama's "recovery" from recession is identical with that of Carter and George HW Bush (both 1 term presidents ousted for stagnant economies)... There are so many people disillusioned by this economy, it just does not bode well... especially with the threat from Europe, and that his opponent is a fiscal genius with proven experience...

There's something else about the Reagan win... The Reagan Democrat... there's a lot of them that stayed Republican, like the Rick Santorums of the world... but in this election there's a lot of current traditional moderate Democratic voting blocks that are outraged at Obama on hot-button issues... that have already been luke warm about him on everything else, and they may jump ship, given that Romney appears moderate enough for their liking....

1) Traditional Marriage, traditional family values supporters -- absolutely outraged at Obama's decision to switch his position on gay marriage... and to top it off the issue of gay marriage (which has been proven time and time again to be against what the overwhelming majority of people feel is right) is on the ballot in a number of states... many of them of the swing variety...

2) Jewish voters. Many of them come from liberal areas, MA, CT, NY, NJ, and FL... and have seen how Obama is willing to leave Israel to have to fend for themselves... Romney, his opponent has come out strong in defense and support of Israel several times... and could pull a lot of that vote from Jewish Democrats

3) Budget-hawks: The budget hawks tend to mostly be conservatives. However, there are still a great deal of Democrats who grew up in the time of having to pay down the massive WWII debt, and were ecstatic when Clinton balanced the budget. Those Democratic budget-hawks must be furious with Obama, and will jump ship to Romney, who had proven budget experience.

4) Catholic voters. Catholics tend to be in the liberal states, largely the immigrants in urban areas on the coast... However, they've spread out across the country. Catholic voters have traditionally voted Democrat. Many Catholics have felt regularly under assault by this administration.


The other group which could cause this to go heavily in the Republicans favor is the undecided voters. In most the the current polls, the race is either tied, or within 4/5 pts either way... with a significant portion of undecideds... Undecideds have gone 80-20 against the incumbent in every election... Given the significant portion of undecideds that persists in the polls, if undecideds swing even only 60-40 to the Republicans, it will swing the results of those polls in most cases...

Even still, several months off of the election, the polls are tightening... What was once a huge lead for Obama is now either gone or remaining only a few pts. When you break down the state by state polls, its getting that much tighter as well... RCP moved MI from the solidly Democrat category to the toss-up category... which is huge, given that MI, where Detroit is, where GM is, where ground zero of Obama's auto-bailout which we are supposed to believe is a huge success... yet the people of MI are luke warm about Obama... with a native son now on the ballot against him, one with a love of cars, a famous auto-executive father who helped save the auto-industry without government money, and proven ability to turn around the economy... MI could realisticall go to the Republicans in this election, which would be a major coup...

So, I can see why one can see this swinging heavily in Romney's favor. It hasn't yet, it's a tight race, and could be tight down to the wire... but I could see it opening up in a big way in Romney favor on election day...

johnny_rebson said:

There's a big difference between Reagan and Romney.

Reagan is viewed as a conservative.

Romney is viewed as a moderate or a liberal, depending on who you talk to.

You have heard of RomneyCare, haven't you?

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You are aware that Reagan was a Democrat, right? He grew up a liberal that was a big fan of FDR's "New Deal"... he only changed to Republican right before running for Governor of CA...

You've heard of RomneyCare... the trouble is, you're too slow to grasp that its actually a conservative plan... which prevents freeloaders from bankrupting the government without contributing a thing to it...

Redress said:

Lamestream media....:rofl:spin:

Now, I remember the 80 election. This election is not like that one for a lot of reasons, but most importantly people do not see Obama as they saw Carter, and they sure as hell do not see Romney as they saw Reagan.

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Nope... just ask Jeb Bush

Porchev said:

How did people see Carter? How did they see Reagan? I think there is a similarity between the 1980 election and this one: the state of the economy.

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Yes. The whole thing is similar. The press trying to make Romney look bad and covering for Obama's foul-ups, and a rotten economy.

The Left had egg on its face in 2010 when the people repudiated Obama by giving the House to the Republicans, the Left had egg on its face in Wisconsin when the people repudiated big government, and the Left will have egg on its face in 2012 when the people send the community organizer back to organize his community

proud2Bcatholic said:

Romney will win big because.....

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....So what

poweRob said:

Nope... just ask Jeb Bush

Jeb Bush Says His Father and Reagan Would Lose Out in Today's GOP

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush today said that both Ronald Reagan and his father, George H.W. Bush, would have a hard time getting nominated by the more conservative voters in today's Republican Party.

"Ronald Reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, as would my dad, they would have a hard time if you define the Republican party, and I don't, as having an orthodoxy that doesn't allow for disagreement, doesn't allow for finding some common ground," Bush said, according to Buzzfeed, which reported Bush's giving the comments at the headquarters of Bloomberg LP in New York City.​

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Oh Oh... Now the right is going to label Jeb as a R.I.N.O because he mention the "C" word.

Redress said:

Going into the election? Carter was the guy who had not rescued our hostages. That more than anything defined the election. Reagan was seen as a common sense, down home, likable guy.

Note that the economy was quite different in 1980 than it is now, and was not improving as it is now.

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Sure, the economy is improving, at least the private sector has. If you don't believe the millions out of work, just ask Obama.

proud2Bcatholic said:

Us old guys remember 1980. It was around six months until November. The polls in the Liberal Lamestream Media had Reagan at around 38% and Carter up in the 60's. The media painted Reagan as dumb, a boob, out of touch, and the war monger likely to start a nuclear war.

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That doesn't jibe with my memory.

proud2Bcatholic said:

Mark my words: Romney will win big because the people won't be duped by the media..... ..except for the liberals of course, who actually want to be duped.

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How big is "big"?
How large is the spread?

Are there bets to be taken?

I do not think that there will be any big win. I think it will be a contest of apathy with relatively low voter turnout.

TurtleDude said:

I think anyone who claims now what the outcome will be is either being wishful or just guessing. Way too many things can happen in the next 4 months

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I agree, however the tea leaves are beginning to blow Romney's way. You see this almost every day, Obama and his administration is being dogged down by one scandal after another and none of them are going away. Such as "fast and furious" then the leaks from the white house that Obama denies. Then is latest gaff "the private sector is doing fine" is just another hit on the head with a baseball bat. Then you add in all the other stuff regarding the economy and our growing debt, he becomes a weaker candidate. I will also suggest, the more people get to know Romney and his extensive background the more they will be moving his way. The economy is not going to get better between now and November.

"The Paul Ryan Plan is fantastic". Mitt Romney

Porchev said:

I would guess that any Presidential candidate during an election year would have his own prescription outlined somewhere don't you think? I am sure I could find it with a quick Google search.

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Redress said:

You can think that Obama made the economy worse, but that is an opinion. Under Carter, the economy got worse. Under Obama, the economy got better. That is a significant difference.

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Doubling the federal deficit is hardly what I would call "better". We can not, as a nation, borrow our way to prosperity, any more than you, as an individual, can. The nonsense that all (or even most) of this Obama spending is "investment" does not sell well either.

Every dollar borrowed MUST be paid back, with interest, by raising taxes. Not a problem, at all, for those that pay little, if any, FIT, but surely even you can see, those that WILL be tapped to pay these taxes are not in any mood to let Obama run up even MORE debt, in their names.

The class warfare angle is indeed a valid way to look at this election, those that pay FIT, the "taxpaying class", are not going to stand by and watch those, in the "tax getting class", ask for and receive ever more.

Most of the "growth", that we are constantly told of, is simply inflation, that the gov't hides using "magic accounting", as best it can, but EVERYONE knows that their paycheck is growing far less than their expenses are. Inflation sunk Carter, and it will sink Obama too.

dontworrybehappy said:

I seem to remember that in 2004 the liberal media was saying John Kerry was a shoe in over Bush. I remember being very worried the entire election night. Then Bush won hands down.

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Your memory is a bit short as you are characterizing the race as a "hands down" win for Bush. The fact is that Bush won 286 to 251, with Ohio being the pivot state. Although most near-election day polls had Kerry winning Ohio, Bush carried it by 118,000 votes out of nearly 5,700,000 cast. It was won by the slimmest of margins, with Ken Blackwell's ingenious distribution of voting machines (plenty in the white Republican suburbs; not very many in the black intercity, where waits exceeded four hours) probably providing the difference...

Ohio's Odd Numbers | Politics | Vanity Fair

It is what is was.... but it wasn't a "hands-down" victory for Bush. Obama may be happy with that on November 7, 2012, but no one wants that before...

Simon W. Moon said:

That doesn't jibe with my memory.

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Oh... so he was wrong... it was 8 months when Carter was in the 60s and Reagan was in the 30s, not 6? correction noted... point still valid...

You know what else is different from 1980....



THE ECONOMY/RECOVERY UNDER OBAMA IS FAR WORSE!!!

I have read nothing in this thread that changes what I said in the first post: Romney will win, and Obama will go into the trash heap of history where he belongs with his buddies Stalin and Mao

proud2Bcatholic said:

I have read nothing in this thread that changes what I said in the first post: Romney will win, and Obama will go into the trash heap of history where he belongs with his buddies Stalin and Mao

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Oh no... he said Stalin and Mao.... he must know what he's talking about. Relevant examples of liberalism and all that.

proud2Bcatholic said:

I have read nothing in this thread that changes what I said in the first post: Romney will win, and Obama will go into the trash heap of history where he belongs with his buddies Stalin and Mao

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Hatuey said:

Oh no... he said Stalin and Mao.... he must know what he's talking about. Relevant examples of liberalism and all that.

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More leftist blah bla blah, yada yada yada........

I am correct: I have read nothing in this thread that changes what I said in the first post: Romney will win, and Obama will go into the trash heap of history where he belongs with his buddies Stalin and Mao

The more crap stories about the Obama Admin, and they're coming "fast and furious" now, the better chance of a big Romney win. Just saying . . .

proud2Bcatholic said:

More leftist blah bla blah, yada yada yada........

I am correct: I have read nothing in this thread that changes what I said in the first post: Romney will win, and Obama will go into the trash heap of history where he belongs with his buddies Stalin and Mao

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Clearly we have been reading different threads. Oh perhaps your bias was in the way of your computer monitor and you could only read what you wanted to.

proud2Bcatholic said:

Us old guys remember 1980. It was around six months until November. The polls in the Liberal Lamestream Media had Reagan at around 38% and Carter up in the 60's. The media painted Reagan as dumb, a boob, out of touch, and the war monger likely to start a nuclear war.

Sound familiar? Its the same old song and dance from the left.

Mark my words: Romney will win big because the people won't be duped by the media..... ..except for the liberals of course, who actually want to be duped.

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Just my two cents.
Romney will not win big.
He is not liked well enough.

StillBallin75 said:

Was there a point in there somewhere or are you once again arguing for the sake of argument?

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I usually would not respond as I do not find much substance to your posts, similar to this one. But here I will try and help and say Obama needs to explain what he hopes to accomplish in a second term rather than look backwards. This is the view of many democratic strategists who seem to be afraid that if he runs a weak campaign that will hurt other democrats running for office.

proud2Bcatholic said:

Yes. The whole thing is similar. The press trying to make Romney look bad and covering for Obama's foul-ups, and a rotten economy.

... the Left had egg on its face in Wisconsin when the people repudiated big government, ...

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"Press trying to make Romney look bad"
Little wonder we have such a difficult time holding conversations on politics in this country - there is the real world and then there is the world that far too many on the right seem to inhabit and seldom shall the real world impinge upon their beliefs
Obama's Media Coverage More Negative Than Romney's

The recent Wisconsin recall elections are another fine example of the contrast between reality and the right wing world. Walker's win is being trumpeted far and wide as a repudiation of the nasty ol' unions and a big example of how "real Americans" want smaller government but as is almost always the case, that just ain't so

Exit polling found 60% of the Wisconsin voters thought recall elections were only appropriate in cases of official misconduct or criminal activity, an additional 10% of the voters thought that recall elections should never occur. Walker is being investigated and he has hired criminal defense attorneys plus setting up a legal defense fund but he has not as yet been charged with any wrongdoing so it looks like a large majority of Wisconsinites simply don't like the idea of recall elections.

Scott Walker Survives Recall, but Investigations May Zero In on Him