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I'm not certain yet, but as a vet isn't Mitt duplicitous - a deciever/liar?

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Is it me? Is it Mitt? It is recorded ... He received four deferrals from the draft for ' religious reasons ' then later says ' he wished/wanted to be there'. WHAT? :2wave: He really has faith in MAMMON his mentor. :3oops: We see more clearly the absolutely, awful, mistake his winning the Presidency would mean to most of us even the ones... Mitt has deceived - the VETS. It is said that Mammon controls this world and system and there is a change a coming, common sense dictates this change will be gradual rather than sudden. :peace ;)

If you are a person that likes to see or read for theirself here are a variety of sources:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/mitt-romney-vietnam-war-draft_n_1571288.html

http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Military.php

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/06/12085094-the-war-romney-longed-for?lite

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/47726501/
 
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amph said:
Is it me? Is it Mitt? It is recorded ... He received four deferrals from the draft for ' religious reasons ' then later says ' he wished/wanted to be there'. WHAT? :2wave: He really has faith in MAMMON his mentor. :3oops: We see more clearly the absolutely, awful, mistake his winning the Presidency would mean to most of us even the ones... Mitt has deceived - the VETS. It is said that Mammon controls this world and system and there is a change a coming, common sense dictates this change will be gradual rather than sudden. :peace ;)
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You're so right... we should vote for the guy who served... :roll:

Not for nothing, but I've never once seen Mitt Romney say he wished he was drafted to fight in Vietnam... not many people did... Yes, Romney got deferrals from the draft for a Mormon mission... which isn't something he did because he was avoiding the war, he would've been doing it anyway, nearly all Mormon's do... And he did nothing improper with the selective service, even getting a legitimate draft number when he returned from France... but that number never came up...

I have seen Romney say one of his great regrets in life is having never served. That's not a deception for actions from a previous time in his life, when he was heavily influenced by his father, then Governor of MI, who was against the war. It's probably a legitimate regret, but still only half-hearted.

But, back in reality, where most children of wealthy politically connected parents don't serve... and where most high profile presidential candidates havent served (and where two recent vets, Kerry and McCain were defeated)... This isn't about whether Romney has served or not... it's about which candidate would best handle the military...

Mitt wants to increase military spending to cover benefits for soldiers, and to renew equipment that is outdated... He made a promise to a sullen man, who was sharing the struggles of his son who was injured in battle, that he would do something to straighten out the VA system... When Romney makes a promise like that, things get done...

Contrast that with his opponent.

Obama has already issued drastic cuts to miltary spending against Leon Panetta, Gen. Petraeus, etc. wishes... He has said he voted against the war (eventhough he wasn't even in the Senate to vote on the war when this went down)... He said he wasn't against the soldiers, but then voted against an appropriations bill which was to give money to buy armor plates for under the driver seat of Humvees to prevent deaths from IEDs... He said he was for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq, then kept Bush's timeline... He said he was against the surge, and that there was no way it could work, then used it in AFPAK... He said he was against torture because it gave no reliable intel, then used intel from someone tortured at Guantanamo to go after OBL... He said he would close GITMO, but kept it open and even sought legitimacy for "prolonged detention"... He said he was against Pre-emptive strike, and the use of military action without authorization from Congress, but then used just that on several occasions within his presidency, most noteably the strike on OBL, the air strikes in Libya, and the Somali pirates...

Obama's treatment of military and foreign affairs has been replete with lies, deception, and broken promises...

Just look at Obama's recent brief tweet treatment of D-Day... he isn't interested in the least in our Vets...

You can quible all you want about the sincerity of Romney's claims of wanting to serve... Clearly the military and our veterans are MUCH better off with Romney as president...
 
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amph said:
Is it me? Is it Mitt? It is recorded ... He received four deferrals from the draft for ' religious reasons ' then later says ' he wished/wanted to be there'. WHAT? :2wave: He really has faith in MAMMON his mentor. :3oops: We see more clearly the absolutely, awful, mistake his winning the Presidency would mean to most of us even the ones... Mitt has deceived - the VETS. It is said that Mammon controls this world and system and there is a change a coming, common sense dictates this change will be gradual rather than sudden. :peace ;)

If you are a person that likes to see or read for theirself here are a variety of sources:

Mitt Romney Faces New Scrutiny Over Vietnam War-Era Draft Deferments

2012 Republican Presidential Candidates Military Service comparison

The war Romney 'longed' for - The Maddow Blog

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so i'll take it you are voting for Ron Paul?.. he's the only Veteran still in the hunt.
 
Good grief the military service of a canidate again.
If it was so critical Clinton and Obama would never have been elected. Since they were, it seems to be mute point.
 
Post #2 Some suuupppppoooorttt for your ops - not humble though, hmmm. Are you paid? What you said about the President is your Mitt and then what you claim for Mitt is what the Commander and Chief has DONE. What sources? ... THe President was too young to serve Mitt wasn't even so the President is fighting against the hot winded Republicans (the whole caboodle) that would ruin and devastate this country rather than let Obama do stuff/policies/employment acts - oh, by the way for Mitt, there was a detailed explanation on national television ...to continue, affordable health care for ninety-five percent of the population - If the republicans hadn't sabotaged and opposed the average person -, taking out Bin Laden, ending combat operations in Iran, etc,,, ... :mrgreen:
 
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Some suuupppppoooorttt for your ops - not humble though, hmmm. Are you paid? What you said about the President is you Mitt and then what you claim for Mitt is what the Commander and Chief has DONE. What sources? ...
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whoa.. was that english?
 
Thrilla said:
so i'll take it you are voting for Ron Paul?.. he's the only Veteran still in the hunt.
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Ron Paul is not still in the hunt.
 
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amph said:
Is it me? Is it Mitt? It is recorded ... He received four deferrals from the draft for ' religious reasons ' then later says ' he wished/wanted to be there'. WHAT? :2wave: He really has faith in MAMMON his mentor. :3oops: We see more clearly the absolutely, awful, mistake his winning the Presidency would mean to most of us even the ones... Mitt has deceived - the VETS. It is said that Mammon controls this world and system and there is a change a coming, common sense dictates this change will be gradual rather than sudden. :peace ;)

If you are a person that likes to see or read for theirself here are a variety of sources:

Mitt Romney Faces New Scrutiny Over Vietnam War-Era Draft Deferments

2012 Republican Presidential Candidates Military Service comparison

The war Romney 'longed' for - The Maddow Blog

Romney
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As a veteran who enlisted during the Vietnam war I support Mitt Romney for president. His 4 deferrals don't bother me any more than VP Biden's 5. And I thought your link with the video of David Corn and Jonathan Capehart discussing their "disappointment" with Romney was hysterical. What the hell does Corn know about a fox hole or rice paddy? And now that Capehart's allowed to legally enlist and serve, why doesn't he? Come on Jonathan. No more DADT. Why not enlist being's you're so eager to see someone else fight? The war in Afghanistan still goes on, our troops are still dying even though the media does their best not to report it. Why not go Jonathan?
 
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As a veteran who enlisted during the Vietnam war I support Mitt Romney for president. His 4 deferrals don't bother me any more than VP Biden's 5. And I thought your link with the video of David Corn and Jonathan Capehart discussing their "disappointment" with Romney was hysterical. What the hell does Corn know about a fox hole or rice paddy? And now that Capehart's allowed to legally enlist and serve, why doesn't he? Come on Jonathan. No more DADT. Why not enlist being's you're so eager to see someone else fight? The war in Afghanistan still goes on, our troops are still dying even though the media does their best not to report it. Why not go Jonathan?
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I didn't know that about you.... well done Sir

Semper Fi.
 
One probably does not need to have served to understand protecting our country.

I just really feel the Romney's are so disconnected from the majority of Americans.

I have served during the Vietnam conflict, my youngest son served, my dad served and many uncles, cousins have and have had family member not return from war. My family know very well what it is like to have a family member in harm's way. I just view the Romney's as the very elite who have no problem in letting someone else send their son in harm's way.
 
Crosscheck said:
One probably does not need to have served to understand protecting our country.

I just really feel the Romney's are so disconnected from the majority of Americans.

I have served during the Vietnam conflict, my youngest son served, my dad served and many uncles, cousins have and have had family member not return from war. My family know very well what it is like to have a family member in harm's way. I just view the Romney's as the very elite who have no problem in letting someone else send their son in harm's way.
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You just described Obama. And worse yet, he's a failed Obama.
 
Born Free said:
You just described Obama. And worse yet, he's a failed Obama.
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Obama's grandfathers served. I don't believe Sasha and Malia are old enough to enlist unlike Romney's 5 sons.
 
Douchebags that care about military experience of presidential candidates only when they are republicans are douchebags.

I served for 8 years with Bill Clinton as my commander in chief, 12 years with republican commanders in chief. Not once did I hear a democrat say a thing about Clintons inability to be an effective president or leader because he dodged the draft. Not once.

Pathetic.

There are many reasons to not vote for Romney. I will be voting for someone other than the two clowns in the major parties. But the continued efforts by douchebags to ridicule Romneys lack of military experience while they ignore Obamas (and Clintons, and Bidens)...well...douchebag...at the end of the day...thats the best word I can think of to describe people that do it.

On the plus side...you have to be a moron of the highest order if you dont think people that HAVE served recognize you for who and what you are. If you think idiotic **** like this HELPS your cause...you are an even BIGGER moron than could possibly be imagined. And that boggles the mind.
 
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amph said:
Is it me? Is it Mitt? It is recorded ... He received four deferrals from the draft for ' religious reasons ' then later says ' he wished/wanted to be there'. WHAT? :2wave: He really has faith in MAMMON his mentor. :3oops:
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conspiracy theory is now in the mix. If he get's elected, we'll constantly berate him with accusations of satanism and witchcraft.

We see more clearly the absolutely, awful, mistake his winning the Presidency would mean to most of us even the ones... Mitt has deceived - the VETS. It is said that Mammon controls this world and system and there is a change a coming, common sense dictates this change will be gradual rather than sudden. :peace ;)
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Oh wait, you're serious...
 
VanceMack said:
Douchebags that care about military experience of presidential candidates only when they are republicans are douchebags.

I served for 8 years with Bill Clinton as my commander in chief, 12 years with republican commanders in chief. Not once did I hear a democrat say a thing about Clintons inability to be an effective president or leader because he dodged the draft. Not once.

Pathetic.

There are many reasons to not vote for Romney. I will be voting for someone other than the two clowns in the major parties. But the continued efforts by douchebags to ridicule Romneys lack of military experience while they ignore Obamas (and Clintons, and Bidens)...well...douchebag...at the end of the day...thats the best word I can think of to describe people that do it.

On the plus side...you have to be a moron of the highest order if you dont think people that HAVE served recognize you for who and what you are. If you think idiotic **** like this HELPS your cause...you are an even BIGGER moron than could possibly be imagined. And that boggles the mind.
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Who are you calling a douchebag?
 
I was watching a bunch of extreme left wingers complain about Romney dodging the draft elsewhere. It occurred to me that these are usually the same people that disagreed with the war, and supported people who protested the war. So in essence, while they hated the war, they are now complaining about someone that avoided it, when back in the day would would have praised such a person.

It also made me think that most people alive today were not around when all that happened, and honestly probably don't give a crap about Vietnam service or lack of Vietnam service. So when will the old hypocrites focus on actual relevant issues?
 
Selectively labeling our Washington representatives "liars" or "deceivers" seems very senseless. It implies that some aren't.

On the matter of military service, it doesn't matter. Clinton being the first was a big deal because he was the first. Seeing that he finally figured out foreign policy in his second term, he proved that one didn't have to serve to make sound decisions after observing the wisdom of others. Regardless of Bush's National Guard clubbing in Texas, he had no military experience. He also relied upon one of the worst SECDEFs in our history who, by the way, never wore a uniform and ignored the wisdom of military leaders at every turn. Along comes Obama who hasn't really made any grave errors in the military realm and this is because he does appreciate sound advice from those who serve.

But this lack of military experience is dangerous and there seems be a trend developing....

* Presidential hopeful, Hillary Clinton, "landed in Bosnia under fire."

* Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, wanted some of the success of the surge in Iraq to be because of "Iran's goodwill."

* Vice president hopeful, Sarah Palin, told us that she "protected us from Russia in Alaska" and that she hasn't "really focused much on the war in Iraq."

A lack of military experience produces fools who want to borrow the stigma of the military to legitimize their bull ****. Our historical foreign policies have never struggled as much as they do today. Is it merely a coincidence that our civilian leadership has begun to produce an absence of military service full of people who seek to explain the world from the life long confines of their universities and American borders?

And the trend of the original Vietnam War protestors amongst college campuses seems to have produced today's Liberal leadership. Those who chose to place the military and the government into the most evil of categories in the 1960s and 1970s became lawyers and eventually ran for office. And it seems to me that because of their comments, those who never sought to serve their country in uniform look upon those who do with disdain. Is there any wonder how "Support the Troop, Not the War" evolved? Those who spit yesterday wanted to get away with it today.

The issue seems to be important enough for our politicians to state that they "wished they served" now. This is just an attempt to borrow from military service without the sweat and blood. Religious reasons were enough to keep him from "killing," but he will assume the responsibility to send others to kill for him? **** all of them and **** the voters who design schemes around the insults just to cling to their illusions.
 
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More mindless babble as a "reason" not to trust the candidate from that "other" party. The service/non-service history of many past demorat candidates bothered you too, and made you vote for the republicant instead, right? Whether someone tried and/or succeeded in avoiding draft induction, or got a REMF duty assignment for being politically connected changes nothing about that persons policy decisions. Are Vietnam (or any other) war protestors not patriotic? If you were drafted or even volunteered for active/reserve service are you somehow better able to govern effectively? If offered two candidates, for any public office, one with and one without military service, would you pick the one that served? Think, before you drink, even koolaid.
 
To be honest... unless you served as a high ranking general, you gained no practical military knowledge that would translate into policy knowledge that you could use as President.

The more we hear about issues of health with former soldiers, both physical and mental, it actually seems these days that it should be considered a reason not to be the leader of the country -- not because of a lack of patriotism, but because of distractions in office which could hamper ability.

Listening to Dennis Franz describe his recollections of battle and how it's effected functionability in life for him during the Memorial Day Celebration in Washington moved me greatly. Nothing he said stood out as anything I haven't heard before. However, I've heard it from veterans I know, including family members who have served. But, most of them were speaking from a discheveled and disgruntled opinion, which is fairly common among those in the similar low socio-economic status realm. I'd never heard of it from a wealthy known celebrity, who you had seen as infallable/inflapable. Yet, despite the wealth and influence, he had that look in his eye... and for anyone that's really sat down and spoke with veterans, you know the look I'm talking about... that look of permanent shock and uneasiness... That they're never truly separated from that battlefield.

I have nothing but respect for those who serve. However, I really don't think I'd want someone who really saw combat being the one who makes decisions regarding anything outside of the military realm... given the experiences I've had dealing with people who have been in combat, and how it still permeats into every aspect of their lives. These days, the overwhelming majority of the decisions the President makes are non-military.
 
amph said:
Is it me? Is it Mitt? It is recorded ... He received four deferrals from the draft for ' religious reasons ' then later says ' he wished/wanted to be there'. WHAT? :2wave: He really has faith in MAMMON his mentor.
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What has draft deferral got to do with greed?
 
Wait, Obama is president, Clinton dodged the draft, and we are harping on if romney served? Really?
 
Crosscheck said:
Who are you calling a douchebag?
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It's very easy for these bravado soldiers to call people names from safely behind their computer screen miles away. It doesn't mean anything except to show them for what they are.
 
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