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Romney addresses Baptist Liberty University grads

Ockham said:
Belief or no, it far right or no, anti-science or no... it still may not be a problem.
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Thank you for the far-right anti-science opinion!
 
Catawba said:
Unlike Romney, Obama has acknowledged and acted on all of them. You really didn't expect Obama to solve all the country's biggest problems in 3 and 1/2 years, with Republicans trying to block action at every turn, did you?

Despite the Republicans, Obama has done more to reduce C02 emissions than any president in history, he has invested more in clean energy, including nuclear, than any president in history, he has made the biggest tax cuts for the working class in years, he has proposed cutting military spending (as opposed to his opponent who has pledged to increase military spending, he has proposed increasing revenues (as opposed to his opponent who has pledged to cut revenues even further), through the increase in mileage standards and investment in clean energy he is reducing our dependence on declining fossil fuels, and has gotten new CO2 pollution limits set for industry.
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The major flaw with your reasoning, is that THOSE AREN'T THE MAJOR PROBLEMS FACING THE NATION!!! So if those are the things that Obama is focused on, it just further proves how inept he is in office! This just in... in the Presidents duties do not include reducing CO2 emissions . Also, you do realize the C02 pollution limits set for industry is why industry is packing up and moving to places like China where there are no limits, right?

The other flaw you have, is that Obama spent us into major debt to solve these supposed problems, and failed in solving them... Romney wouldn't spend our grandchildren's futures away trying to chase down pipe dreams... He'd solve the real problems the country faces, without significant government spending to do so...

The major problems facing the nation are;

The Debt -- which Obama has increased drastically, and run a consistent $1.4T deficit, which is creating a hole we can't dig out of... that creates several problems for the us economic situation as a whole, like; devaluating the dollar, downgrading of our credit rating, ability to fund programs in the future which might be necessary, etc. Contrast that with Romney, who has balanced budgets and closed funding gaps for companies for 26 yrs, did so with the Salt Lake City Olympic Organizing Committee, and turned around a near $3B deficit into a $2B surplus in 2 years as Governor of MA. Clearly Romney is the candidate who would best straighten out the problem of the debt, and balancing the budget.

The Economic Malaise, that's Stagnation bordering on Decline, bordering further on Regression into Recession -- Obama's policies have failed at stimulating growth, and his outlook on industry is to set up factors which make it harder for businesses to thrive, which makes it harder to hire people, to get them back to work, so they don't need the government in their lives to solve their own problems for them... Romney on the other hand has made a career out of stimulating economic growth from under performing organizations. Realistically there isn't a single objective person who could argue with a straight face that Obama stands a better chance at creating growth than Romney.

The Entitlement Crisis -- With the debt and deficit as high as they are, it makes this problem magnified, since the Baby Boom retirement is going to drastically raise mandatory expenditures, especially with the passage of Medicare Part D and ObamaCare, and the existing structure of Social Security... If the mandatory spending entitlements aren't restructured, they alone will pass revenue soon enough, causing a huge debt crisis, unseen before... Obama didn't create the crisis, but he's done very little to address the crisis, and in fact, he's added to the mandatory spending entitlement programs... He is not the one to avert us from this crisis... which starts in 2014, as the major baby boom retirement begins... Romney actually plans to take this issue head on, and restructure the programs, so we can avoid a crisis before it even begins.

The Infrastructure Overhaul -- Many high traffic bridges are crumbling and becoming dangerous. Many interstate highways are doing the same. The increase in automobiles used has caused traffic nightmares in most cities where the commute for the average American is over 1 hour. Something is going to have to be done to fix the bridges, reroute the traffic, and find new solutions solve infrastructure issues in the country. Obama went on with his high speed rail program, as part of ARRA, but little has truly been accomplished in these regards. Furthermore, he lacks experience dealing with large scale construction projects, and support from Congress to assist him on any plan in general. Romney on the other hand, managed several large scale construction projects with the building of the facilities for the Salt Lake City Olympics and the Big Dig, which is the largest construction project in US History, which Romney got straightened out and on schedule for completion, elimating corruption, and sued Bechtel Parsons Brinkerhoff (the largest construction firm in the world) to recover funds from faulty and corrupt work... I trust Romney far more at being able to manage the rebuilding of our infrastructure.

The Culture War -- There is currently a major culture war going on internationally right now. The Democratic Party would like to make you think it's Rich vs. Poor. Others, like Occupy, want you to believe its Corporations vs. People. Many liberals fear the culture clash is Bible Thumping Christian Conservatives vs. those who want personal freedom. Others think its natural English speaking Americans against those insideous immigrants who are taking our jobs. Instead, these are just the natural fears and anxieties that go on whenever there is economic stagnation. Those clashes would weaken with economic growth. Unfortunately however, we won't have economic growth while we infight as this. The real Culture War that's going on internationally is contol of the economic engine that drives the world. There are the socialist states, such as China, who believe in major crackdowns by government on personal freedom and choice. However, they also believe in unrestricted free market. There are other imperialistic nations who attempt to use the wealth achieved by a wealth of raw materials which they built up military dictatorships with. We instead try to promote a free people with upward mobility and personal freedom, with very relaxed government intervention, except to perserve freedom. The youth of America, and many other western countries, have become completely undereducated, and distracted by drugs, negative lifestyle choices, etc. They are unequiped, unprepared, and uninterested in taking on this battle to save their own society. There needs to be a major improvement in accountability and personal responsibility in this nation as a whole. We need to stop looking for scapegoats and blaming others for our problems. We need to raise our standards, and expect people to follow suit. We need to stop dumbing down America, or celebrating mediocrity. That goes for the education system, the government representatives, the entertainment industry, etc. All of these aspects of our society need to be represented by our best and brightest, who put out best foot forward, to show the US as the best example of a model for the future... otherwise this country will be overrun and indebted to foreign influence from China, India, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, etc. If America is to be the best in the world, we need to show that we really are the best in the world. Obama instead, has already succumbed to listening to foreign powers for influence over our country. Romney is running on restoring America's greatness, and will likely stimulate the economic growth we need, but also represents a man of integrity without any personal scandal, and who stiffened the education standards in MA as governor. Obama has embarrassed the nation, and left us with our heads down, like Carter did. Romney is the guy who will re-inspire this nation, much in the way that JFK and Reagan had.

In each of these major areas of concern for the federal government, and the nation as a whole, Romney is far better suited to be the chief executive leading us to combat and triumph over the obstacles.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I think this is both a positive and the problem with him.
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I don't think there is much positive about being an unscrupulous panderer to public opinion. Telling people what they want to hear when they want to hear it may make them feel good, but it gives no insight into the candidate. I remember back in the day the "conservatives" really going after Clinton for similar activity. Romney and Clinton...peas in a pod. Actually that could be a positive for him as Clinton is sadly one of the better presidents we've had in recent history.
 
Catawba said:
Well it is if one refuses to acknowledge it is a problem.
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Recognizing it doesn't mean a ****, considering that the outrageously high human population is the cause. Since nobody is going to kill off at least half of the population, and people aren't going to just magically stop breeding, yeah, it's an unsolvable problem.
 
Lokiate said:
Recognizing it doesn't mean a ****, considering that the outrageously high human population is the cause. Since nobody is going to kill off at least half of the population, and people aren't going to just magically stop breeding, yeah, it's an unsolvable problem.
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Breeding doesn't produce CO2....................

Burning fossil fuels is what is producing more CO2 than can be mitigated by our natural systems, completely within our power to reduce.
 
Catawba said:
Breeding doesn't produce CO2....................
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What do you think we exhale?

Burning fossil fuels is what is producing more CO2 than can be mitigated by our natural systems, completely within our power to reduce.[/QUOTE]

CO2 is hardly the sole cause of the depletion of our atmosphere, and degradation of our environment. I refuse to believe that you're unaware that more people leads to more consumption, which causes heavier depletion of natural resources, which ultimately leads to a very bad place to live.
 
Lokiate said:
What do you think we exhale?
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The earth can naturally sequester natural sources of CO2. The problem came in when we, through the burning of fossil fuels, polluted our environment with more CO2 than it can sequester naturally.



CO2 is hardly the sole cause of the depletion of our atmosphere, and degradation of our environment. I refuse to believe that you're unaware that more people leads to more consumption, which causes heavier depletion of natural resources, which ultimately leads to a very bad place to live.
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No one I've heard is promoting other sources of pollution.
 
Lokiate said:
What do you think we exhale?
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Really? This argument? I've seen good arguments for the case against global climate change. This is not one of them.

Awesome logic. Let's apply this logic again.


Water? Bad? Our bodies are 75% water so a flood clearly can't hurt us.​
 
poweRob said:
Really? This argument?
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It's just as ridiculous as the 'omfg CO2' argument, since CO2 is hardly the cause. "Global warming" nuts completely disregard irregular orbit, the Sun, continental drift, the drastic changes to the vegetation and wildlife due to population growth and expansion, not to mention pollution of soil and water, which is also a big killer of plants and animals. You want to talk about greenhouse gasses? Why stop at CO2? Why ignore water vapor, methane, nitrous oxide, and ozone? And why ignore nations that have absolutely no emissions controls, like those in Asia, where the sky is a green smoggy haze due to industrial growth?


Catawba said:
No one I've heard is promoting other sources of pollution.
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Nobody has to promote it, it's happening. And quite a bit. The worst of it is nuclear waste, which doesn't turn into puppies and kittens.
 
I have no problem with Romney's religion. Don't have a horse in the race as far as religion goes.

I am concerned tho with the economy and that's why I'm voting for Romney.
 
Lokiate said:
It's just as ridiculous as the 'omfg CO2' argument, since CO2 is hardly the cause. "Global warming" nuts completely disregard irregular orbit, the Sun, continental drift, the drastic changes to the vegetation and wildlife due to population growth and expansion, not to mention pollution of soil and water, which is also a big killer of plants and animals. You want to talk about greenhouse gasses? Why stop at CO2? Why ignore water vapor, methane, nitrous oxide, and ozone? And why ignore nations that have absolutely no emissions controls, like those in Asia, where the sky is a green smoggy haze due to industrial growth?



Nobody has to promote it, it's happening. And quite a bit. The worst of it is nuclear waste, which doesn't turn into puppies and kittens.
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So I'm in a thread about Jerry Falwell's Liberty University and I'm arguing with a guy who doesn't believe in science. Go figure.

Here... Go and argue with NASA.
 
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Ikari said:
I don't think there is much positive about being an unscrupulous panderer to public opinion. Telling people what they want to hear when they want to hear it may make them feel good, but it gives no insight into the candidate. I remember back in the day the "conservatives" really going after Clinton for similar activity. Romney and Clinton...peas in a pod. Actually that could be a positive for him as Clinton is sadly one of the better presidents we've had in recent history.
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Blame voters. They seem to want to hear the pablum then want their leaders to fix things. Politicians can't even state the obvious without getting whipsawed in the press.
 
How is it that a thread about Romney giving a commencement speech at a Baptist university has spawned yet another series of rants supporting the absurd conspiracy theory that science is somehow in cahoots to fool us about global warming?

Anyone have any new arguments about this subject? Anything we haven't heard a hundred times already? Anyone, anyone???
 
Texmex said:
That's the problem. He SOUNDS like... You know he is only saying the things to win your vote. You know he is full of it, but I guess that doesn't matter.
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And you know that Obama is full of it, and says stuff to get your vote. It's called campaigning. As many liberals have said, he's been little more than Bush II. So I guess he also SOUNDS like......
 
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Born Free said:
Romney was the governor of MA, and to my knowledge his religion was never an issue. If that is the case why would you think it would be if he became president. Unless there are issues in MA that I'm not aware of.
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An individuals beliefs are going to influence them whether they're in the White House, a corporate CEO, of the leader of a home. It influences my attitude when I wake up, my attitude towards other people, the decisions I make, where I work, how well I perform my job, how I manage my money, etc. I'm not saying Romney being a Mormon will be an issue, but because it's beliefs are NOT Christian beliefs, we need to be cautious if we are wanting an individual to return us to our founding principles and values.
 
unapologeticdan said:
An individuals beliefs are going to influence them whether they're in the White House, a corporate CEO, of the leader of a home. It influences my attitude when I wake up, my attitude towards other people, the decisions I make, where I work, how well I perform my job, how I manage my money, etc. I'm not saying Romney being a Mormon will be an issue, but because it's beliefs are NOT Christian beliefs, we need to be cautious if we are wanting an individual to return us to our founding principles and values.
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Given the current direction of the country, it would indeed be dangerous to elect someone who believes that the Constitution was divinely inspired. If he acts on that belief, it could turn that direction 180 degrees.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Given the current direction of the country, it would indeed be dangerous to elect someone who believes that the Constitution was divinely inspired. If he acts on that belief, it could turn that direction 180 degrees.
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Didn't the US go through this same issue when JFK was running for POTUS? I don't care what Romney "believes". Romney trying to get something religious thru our "do nothing" elected officials, is the last thing I'm worried about today.

Hell, at this point in time, I'd just like to see a budget pased within the next year.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Didn't the US go through this same issue when JFK was running for POTUS? I don't care what Romney "believes". Romney trying to get something religious thru our "do nothing" elected officials, is the last thing I'm worried about today.

Hell, at this point in time, I'd just like to see a budget pased within the next year.
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yes, the US went through the same thing when Kennedy ran. The opposition tried to convince us that the Pope would be running the country.

You want to see a budget passed? Sheesh, you have high expectations for our dysfunctional Congress. Next, you'll be wanting a balanced budget, then perhaps an end to illegal immigration and even a successful end to the wars in the ME. Some people are just never satisfied.
 
Dittohead not! said:
yes, the US went through the same thing when Kennedy ran. The opposition tried to convince us that the Pope would be running the country.

You want to see a budget passed? Sheesh, you have high expectations for our dysfunctional Congress. Next, you'll be wanting a balanced budget, then perhaps an end to illegal immigration and even a successful end to the wars in the ME. Some people are just never satisfied.
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Dam*, you just deep sixed all my dreams.

Excuse me; I have to step away from the board to cry, because I just knew in my heart they'd accomplish all those things this year. :mrgreen:
 
Dittohead not! said:
Given the current direction of the country, it would indeed be dangerous to elect someone who believes that the Constitution was divinely inspired. If he acts on that belief, it could turn that direction 180 degrees.
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I don't believe the Constitution was divinely inspired and to my knowledge neither does Romney. The evidence however is overwhelming when it comes to the fundamental principles of the Constitution being rooted in Christianity. That doesn't mean that God breathed supernatural life into the pages of the Constitution, but what it does mean is that our founders had a very strong influence from the supernatural pages of scripture and thus passed that on to the document when establishing this nation. Sadly, there is a group of individuals who want to deny this blatantly obvious fact and turn us into something our founding father's never intended and knew would lead to destruction.
 
unapologeticdan said:
I don't believe the Constitution was divinely inspired and to my knowledge neither does Romney. The evidence however is overwhelming when it comes to the fundamental principles of the Constitution being rooted in Christianity. That doesn't mean that God breathed supernatural life into the pages of the Constitution, but what it does mean is that our founders had a very strong influence from the supernatural pages of scripture and thus passed that on to the document when establishing this nation. Sadly, there is a group of individuals who want to deny this blatantly obvious fact and turn us into something our founding father's never intended and knew would lead to destruction.
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I don't know that it is doctrine, but it is a traditional belief of Mormons that the Constitution of the United States was inspired of god. Whether you believe it or not, whether Romney believes it it or not, it seems to be to be a good bet that Romney will take the oath to defend the constitution seriously.

If, that is, he is elected.
 
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