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This one truly maxes out the irony meter. One day after Romney made a public appearance excoriating Obama for the Solyndra failure, calling it "crony capitalism", Konarka Technologies goes belly up. What is Konarka Technologies you ask? Konarka was a solar company that Romney subsidized as Governor of Massachusettes! :lol:

Mitt Romney’s big green flop
Lowell solar panel company he backed goes under
By Greg Turner | Saturday, June 2, 2012 | http://www.bostonherald.com | Technology
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A Bay State solar panel developer that landed a state loan from Mitt Romney when he was Massachusetts governor has gone belly up — a day after the GOP presidential hopeful ripped President Obama’s green-energy investments.

Lowell-based Konarka Technologies announced late yesterday that it filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection and will cease operations, lay off its 85 workers and liquidate.
“Konarka has been unable to obtain additional financing, and given its current financial condition, it is unable to continue operations,” CEO Howard Berke said in a statement. “This is a tragedy for Konarka’s shareholders and employees and for the development of alternative energy in the United States.”

The demise of Konarka could become a hot topic on the campaign trail because Romney personally doled out a $1.5 million renewable energy subsidy to the Lowell startup in 2003, shortly after taking office on Beacon Hill.
And on Thursday the GOP candidate was stumping outside the shuttered Solyndra solar-panel factory in California, blasting the Obama administration’s $535 million loan as a symbol of “crony capitalism.”

Mitt Romney’s big green flop - BostonHerald.com

And Konarka isn't the only example of Romney's failed ventures into "crony capitalism". As one of his first acts as governor, Romney also doled out a $2.5 million subsidy to Evergreen Solar, which has also gone belly up.

Crossroads ad slams Obama over company that got taxpayer money from Governor Romney - The Plum Line - The Washington Post
 
I personally have no issue with this. I believe the States have the latitude (and self-serving motivation) to engage in 'investing' to stimulate commerce in their selves. Tax preferences/deferments, land grants, utility grants are commonly used by states and municipalities to court manufacturers. And if residents of said state are against this practice they can move to another state, no so when the federal government participates in such actions.

Why are you against it?
 
I personally have no issue with this. I believe the States have the latitude (and self-serving motivation) to engage in 'investing' to stimulate commerce in their selves. Tax preferences/deferments, land grants, utility grants are commonly used by states and municipalities to court manufacturers. And if residents of said state are against this practice they can move to another state, no so when the federal government participates in such actions.

Why are you against it?

I'm not against it -- I'm for it. But I'm against hypocrisy, which Romney is displaying in spades. There's no logical reason to say that "crony capitalism" is bad at the federal level but good at the state level. And Romney is arguing, in part, that the failure of Solyndra is evidence that we would be better off with a president who has business experience. Except that Romney's business experience seems to have led him to invest in two failed solar power companies.
 
This one truly maxes out the irony meter. One day after Romney made a public appearance excoriating Obama for the Solyndra failure, calling it "crony capitalism", Konarka Technologies goes belly up. What is Konarka Technologies you ask? Konarka was a solar company that Romney subsidized as Governor of Massachusettes! :lol:



And Konarka isn't the only example of Romney's failed ventures into "crony capitalism". As one of his first acts as governor, Romney also doled out a $2.5 million subsidy to Evergreen Solar, which has also gone belly up.

Crossroads ad slams Obama over company that got taxpayer money from Governor Romney - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

Totally the same thing.

Mitt's Solyndra? He handed out renewable energy subsidies, too - Darren Samuelsohn - POLITICO.com

Osborn and others connected to the Green Energy Fund said the venture capital plan wasn't Romney's idea. The Massachusetts Technology Collaborative, a quasi-public agency only indirectly and partially overseen by the Romney administration, set up the program with money from the Renewable Energy Trust Fund. Rob Pratt, the trust's director at the time, said he came up with the concept as state officials wrestled over places to spend the larger pot of money. He said he ran the idea by Foy as Romney's team was still getting settled in and they jumped at the chance to tout it

Asked about his work as governor, Romney's campaign noted the Renewable Energy Trust Fund predated his term and its independent management didn't report to him. The initial $9 million in grants that he handed out as governor were predetermined winners before he came into office. Romney also caused a stir with environmentalists, the campaign added, when he redirected $17 million from the trust to close the state's budget deficit.

Massachusetts did bank millions when it sold shares of Evergreen Solar stock offered as part of its payback for the initial loan. But that early investment was followed by tens of millions more from Romney's successor, Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick, and it all ended up backfiring when the company filed last year for Chapter 11.

So the original money got paid back, then Deval Patrick dumped more in and it bankrupted. But thats Romney's fault? He didnt even directly manage the agency. Oh yeah, this is totally the same thing. :doh
 
This one truly maxes out the irony meter. One day after Romney made a public appearance excoriating Obama for the Solyndra failure, calling it "crony capitalism", Konarka Technologies goes belly up. What is Konarka Technologies you ask? Konarka was a solar company that Romney subsidized as Governor of Massachusettes! :lol:



And Konarka isn't the only example of Romney's failed ventures into "crony capitalism". As one of his first acts as governor, Romney also doled out a $2.5 million subsidy to Evergreen Solar, which has also gone belly up.

Crossroads ad slams Obama over company that got taxpayer money from Governor Romney - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

This is one more issue where Romney looks identical to Obama.
 
Except that Romney's business experience seems to have led him to invest in two failed solar power companies.

At this point it's obvious that any government money should go to proven sources of energy such as oil and coal. Obama and Romney are fools for putting government money in solar energy.
 
This is one more issue where Romney looks identical to Obama.

Read the politico article Johnny. Romney had very little to do with the investment pool. If even Politico is saying it....
 
There's no logical reason to say that "crony capitalism" is bad at the federal level but good at the state level.

But the article you cite does not discuss the 'crony capitalism' you espouse nor does its links. No mention is made that Romney did this as 'payback'...unless of course I missed it. On the other hand the ties between the President and his campaign bundlers/donors assocaited with Solyndra etal had been thoroughly documented hence 'crony capitalism' proved.
 
Yes, let's only do R&D on stuff that's known to work. Is that your idea of "American exceptionalism"?

Er uh, the company described in the OP was a MANUFACTURING company and not R&D...
 
Yes, let's only do R&D on stuff that's known to work. Is that your idea of "American exceptionalism"?

You should be thrilled that Romney and Obama are so much alike. Both putting government money into solar energy and both creating government healthcare systems like RomneyCare and ObamaCare.
 
Read the politico article Johnny. Romney had very little to do with the investment pool. If even Politico is saying it....
Are you arguing that Obama personally was involved in the investment decision?

You do know that this program started in the Bush administration....yes?


The Energy Department's chief lending officer testifed before the Energy and Commerce Committee: "y the time the Obama administration took office in late January 2009, the loan programs' staff had already established a goal of, and timeline for, issuing the company a conditional loan guarantee commitment in March 2009."

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In December 2011, The Washington Post published an in-depth examination of Solyndra and the Obama green technology program. The Post concluded that though politics was much discussed, it did not play a key role in the decision making process. The Post concluded that officials sometimes disregarded warnings that the financial concerns of the companies in question could damage the credibility of the program. It also showed that administration officials were quite concerned about potential political repercussions of Solyndra's financial difficulties and influenced Solyndra to delay layoffs until after the 2010 election.[36] However, neither the Post report nor a batch of e-mails released by the Energy and Commerce Committee in November, 2011, document that politics influenced the original decision to grant Solyndra a loan
 
Which is not at all relevant to Johny_Rebson's comment.

I guess I missed where Johny's commented on R&D. YOU were the one who brought up R&D for what reason is unclear as of yet.
 
Read the politico article Johnny. Romney had very little to do with the investment pool. If even Politico is saying it....

He's just upset that we won't have a bible thumper in the White House
 
Are you arguing that Obama personally was involved in the investment decision?

You do know that this program started in the Bush administration....yes?
Yes, not only did the Republicans create the loan program for risky alternate energy technology, but they chose Solyndra and tried to get them qualified for two years prior to Obama becoming POTUS.

Solyndra’s loan, the first approved under a clean-energy program that was launched during the Bush administration and expanded by Obama’s stimulus bill, was supposed to finance a new state-of-the-art factory for the company’s unique cylindrical solar cells. At the time, Solyndra was an exciting startup; according to the public filings, it attracted big money from bigtime financiers, including $35 million from Richard Branson’s Virgin Green Fund, $57 million from U.S. Venture Partners, and even $2 million from affiliates of Kohlberg Kravis Roberts.

Read more: Solyndra Bankruptcy: Big Name Investors to Recoup Losses Before Taxpayers in Obama's Failed Green Tech Bet | Swampland | TIME.com
 
Solyndra was turned down by Bush. Steven Chu was responsible for the loans, and Obama is his boss.

So your argument is that something went under 10 years after Romney left office is the same as something that went under WHILE Obama was in office and 2 years after government investment.

So, how do you feel about Deval Patrick investing even more money after getting a return on the original investment?

I know these are just the far left talking points but this one is pretty bad.
 
I personally have no issue with this. I believe the States have the latitude (and self-serving motivation) to engage in 'investing' to stimulate commerce in their selves. Tax preferences/deferments, land grants, utility grants are commonly used by states and municipalities to court manufacturers. And if residents of said state are against this practice they can move to another state, no so when the federal government participates in such actions.

I disagree. The benefits of moving to more advanced energy technologies will be shared between all the states. Why should we freeload off the more forward thinking states? It just creates the tragedy of the commons problem. Every state would rather just let the other states spend their money developing the technology and then they'll jump on after the fact for free.

Don't get me wrong, if states want to spend more money to try to make sure that the businesses end up in their state or just to be good human beings, that's awesome. But we shouldn't rely on that for securing our future. Developing sustainable energy is a core strategic and economic interest of the United States as a whole. Just tossing that to the states would be totally reckless IMO.
 
This one truly maxes out the irony meter. One day after Romney made a public appearance excoriating Obama for the Solyndra failure, calling it "crony capitalism", Konarka Technologies goes belly up. What is Konarka Technologies you ask? Konarka was a solar company that Romney subsidized as Governor of Massachusettes! :lol:

And Konarka isn't the only example of Romney's failed ventures into "crony capitalism". As one of his first acts as governor, Romney also doled out a $2.5 million subsidy to Evergreen Solar, which has also gone belly up.

Crossroads ad slams Obama over company that got taxpayer money from Governor Romney - The Plum Line - The Washington Post
:yawn:

That's not chrony capitalism... what chrony of Romney's is involved? There's a huge difference between a company that took some funds from the government as a subsidy when it showed signs of promising success individually, and giving government funds to start up businesses, but then giving private investors they know the chance to withdraw their investments before the company goes belly up, leaving the risk on the US Taxpayer money...

Solyndra was a 2005 start up... They posted $100M profit in 2009... The Obama Administration made a $535M investment in a $737M state of the art robotic facility in March of 2009, finalized in September of 2009... Then when it opened they touted it as an example of how to succeed... But, just 2 years later in September of 2011 it announced it was shutting down... The Obama administration was heavily involved with the running of Solyndra, and there was an FBI investigation into the corruption within the organization, which allowed a major campaign donor to the Obama Administration to take his large investment in the company out days before they announed that they would be shutting down...

That's nothing like the situation with companies going bankrupt in 2011 & 2012, with tinkering done by the Patrick Administration...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/business/energy-environment/15solar.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
"Ian A. Bowles, the former energy and environment chief for Gov. Deval L. Patrick, a Democrat who pushed for the solar panel factory to be located in Massachusetts, said the federal government had not helped the American industry enough or done enough to challenge Chinese government subsidies for its industry. Evergreen has received no federal money."

Evergreen Solar started in 1994, and recieved $21M from the MA State Government to assist with the loss of Ft Devens base closing... Mitt Romney is governor from 2003-2007, they get $2.1M of that money from the Government during Romney's tenure, then in 2008, the Patrick Administration goads them into building their new expensive factory in MA, with a $20M investment... in 2011, they announce that theyre going to shift production to China, closing the Devens plant, and then months later announced they would file for bankruptcy... (How are you attributing this to Romney?)

Konarka Technologies started in 2001, they were granted 8 patents in 2002 and 2003, Romney was Governor from 2003-2007 and they got $1.5M in government subsidies, while they had raised $170M in private equity... then later the Patrick Administration gave Konarka $20M, but Konarka Technologies filed for bankruptcy in 2012... (How are you attributing this to Romney?)

So Romney was governor, when 2 established companies took small susidies of $1.5M & $2.1M from the governmeent, but were mostly operating on private money... then 3 terms later, under a different governor, that tinkered heavily with the industry, with larger subsidies, to influence company's decisions those companies went bankrupt...

That's a huge difference from Obama making a significant investment of $535M (150 times as much as what Romney's administration invested in the two companies combined) in a single company, which didn't have the private funding to speak of, and having it go belly up within 2 years, and under his watch, with the FBI investigation showing corruption within the running of the company, and their collusion with the Obama Administration....

Don't confuse stories... I know you're trying to get cute to play politics, but realistically, you know there's a major difference between the two approaches...

In 1) The Government contributes a small amount of subsidy to a private company, which has attracted private investment and has a successful business plan... The risk is minimal, since the investment is minimal, and the government is hands off in their approach to dealing with the company...

In 2) The Government takes a small company, and puts a massive amount of funds at risk by becoming the major investor in a company thats not on sound footing, but they chance that expensive equipment will lead to results... Thus, the Government gets hands on in decisions made by the company, which creates the potential for collusions and corruption to take place...

The US has a long history of results from these two different approaches, with #1 leading to mostly successful companies who are able to slightly expand based on some additional subsidy... but #2 leading to mixed results, with some high profile failures risking public funds on unsound companies, and reports of corruption and collusion leading to mistrust of public funding and public officials as a result...

So people can decide... Approach #1 under Romney, or Approach #2 under Obama...

(and again, another major difference with most of Romney and Obama's actions... Romney did so as Governor with a balanced budget, Obama did so as President ballooning the deficit and debt to astronomical highs...)
 
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Solyndra was a 2005 start up... They posted $100M profit in 2009... The Obama Administration made a $535M investment in a $737M state of the art robotic facility in March of 2009, finalized in September of 2009... Then when it opened they touted it as an example of how to succeed... But, just 2 years later in September of 2011 it announced it was shutting down...

Evergreen Solar… in 2008, the Patrick Administration goads them into building their new expensive factory in MA, with a $20M investment...and then months later announced they would file for bankruptcy...

Konarka Technologies... then later the Patrick Administration gave Konarka $20M, but Konarka Technologies filed for bankruptcy in 2012...

Aren’t these examples of what the Democrats have railed Bain for doing? Load up companies with debt and ultimately they fail and LOOSE JOBS…hypocrisy indeed.
 
Solyndra was turned down by Bush.

No, it wasn't. The process was ongoing throughout Bush's last term. They even made a last-minute push to try and gitter done before he left office.
 
Aren’t these examples of what the Democrats have railed Bain for doing? Load up companies with debt and ultimately they fail and LOOSE JOBS…hypocrisy indeed.

No, it's not the same thing at all.

Bottom line: as governor, Romney "picked winners and losers" just as he's accusing Obama of doing.
 
Cost of these stupid solar products - and an inability to market them to those who do want to buy them - is what's putting these busiensses under.

Make it applicable to my needs = my house = and come up with a variety of solutions and plans that I can look over and price - and maybe we'll do business.

As of yet; no one's making these products more user-accessible and geared towards the interested consumer's actual needs. . . who the hell needs a stupid flexi-panel on your dumbass backpack? $200.00 for something like that or INVEST $20 or $30K for my home - fully sufficient; FINANCED; and even designed to over-produce so I can sell it to the electric company.

Hello - that's what I want.
 
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This one truly maxes out the irony meter. One day after Romney made a public appearance excoriating Obama for the Solyndra failure, calling it "crony capitalism", Konarka Technologies goes belly up. What is Konarka Technologies you ask? Konarka was a solar company that Romney subsidized as Governor of Massachusettes! :lol:






And Konarka isn't the only example of Romney's failed ventures into "crony capitalism". As one of his first acts as governor, Romney also doled out a $2.5 million subsidy to Evergreen Solar, which has also gone belly up.

Crossroads ad slams Obama over company that got taxpayer money from Governor Romney - The Plum Line - The Washington Post



again.. it mind numbing the BS you try to pass of as truth.. truly mind numbing..


do you live in an echo chamber of Michelle Obama and Biden?
 
No, it's not the same thing at all.

Bottom line: as governor, Romney "picked winners and losers" just as he's accusing Obama of doing.

Sorry but I missed where you addressed the Bain analogy...Yes, Romney did pick winners/losers but his investment worked out as has been substainiated earlier in this thread. It was Patrick's investment that was a 'loser'...Find a Romney investment WHILE governor that DIDN'T work out (as the President did) for YOUR point to be valid.
 
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