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Romney campaign: Obama lacks executive experience

It's a dust-off of the old argument McCain/Palin tried to use. It somewhat made sense then, but not now. But even then it was a poor excuse to use in order to convince people not to vote for Obama. Why?

A look-back in American history shows that many of our nation's former Presidents weren't Governors of a state but, in fact, were prominent members of their respective communities if not their state, i.e., doctors, lawyers, landowners, businessmen or strong military leaders. A few were even Senators before becoming President. Only those who either ignore history or are not part of a well-informed electorate would think that only being a Governor or CEO makes one better suited to be President when the evidence proves otherwise.

Not saying having such experience doesn't help, just saying it's not a prerequisite for being President of the United States.
 
That argument worked in 08, not now.
 
Romney campaign: Obama lacks executive experience - Yahoo! News

LOL. He has more executive experience than romney. He has been president for 4 years.

So Obama has 3.5 yrs of executive experience... which hasn't exactly gone well... with a massive increase in unemployment, the debt, and deficit)

Romney has 26 yrs as a CEO, 3 years as CEO & President of the Salt Lake City Olympics, and 4 years as Governor... all of them to resounding success, where budgets were balanced, and each organization was profitable...

While Obama may have more experience being President... I'd still say Romney has far more successful experience as an executive... and clearly Obama's lack of prior executive experience has showed in his inability to get results and being outnegotiated by foreign diplomats...
 
It's a dust-off of the old argument McCain/Palin tried to use. It somewhat made sense then, but not now. But even then it was a poor excuse to use in order to convince people not to vote for Obama. Why?

A look-back in American history shows that many of our nation's former Presidents weren't Governors of a state but, in fact, were prominent members of their respective communities if not their state, i.e., doctors, lawyers, landowners, businessmen or strong military leaders. A few were even Senators before becoming President. Only those who either ignore history or are not part of a well-informed electorate would think that only being a Governor or CEO makes one better suited to be President when the evidence proves otherwise.

Not saying having such experience doesn't help, just saying it's not a prerequisite for being President of the United States.

A look back at history shows that being governor is actually the most proven method of gaining experience for the job...

Of the 43 presidents, 22 were governors, 21 were legislators, 14 were government administrators, 8 were vice presidents, and 7 were military leaders... and even many of those legislators were elected leaders withing their respective bodies... 8 of those presidents were governors without being legislators, and only 6 were legislators with no executive experience...

Also interesting to note, 4 of the 6 who were legislators without other experience died in office, with Obama being the 6th... Only Franklin Pierce was elected as only a legislator and survived his term, although, his Vice President did not...

But, let's be clear here... We've NEVER had a president with the significant amount of executive leadership that Romney has had in his lifetime... The only comparatives would be Eisenhower, who was Commander of Allied Forces in WWII and governor of occupied Germany, and George Washington, who was a General in the British Army, then Commander in Chief of the Colonial Army... Those were different situations altogether... Romney has proven high profile successful executive leadership in business, non-governmental organizations, and government... This isn't someone who was good at one thing, and didn't work somewhere else...

So, while I agree, it's not a prerequisite, I think its definitely a major strength to have proven success as an executive, and think it's well within Romney's right to point out his strength in that matter during the campaign, to draw a comparison with the other candidates failures as an executive...

I also would love to see what can be done in Washington by someone who does have that extensive proven executive leadership, as well...
 
A look back at history shows that being governor is actually the most proven method of gaining experience for the job...

Of the 43 presidents, 22 were governors, 21 were legislators, 14 were government administrators, 8 were vice presidents, and 7 were military leaders... and even many of those legislators were elected leaders withing their respective bodies... 8 of those presidents were governors without being legislators, and only 6 were legislators with no executive experience...

Also interesting to note, 4 of the 6 who were legislators without other experience died in office, with Obama being the 6th... Only Franklin Pierce was elected as only a legislator and survived his term, although, his Vice President did not...

But, let's be clear here... We've NEVER had a president with the significant amount of executive leadership that Romney has had in his lifetime... The only comparatives would be Eisenhower, who was Commander of Allied Forces in WWII and governor of occupied Germany, and George Washington, who was a General in the British Army, then Commander in Chief of the Colonial Army... Those were different situations altogether... Romney has proven high profile successful executive leadership in business, non-governmental organizations, and government... This isn't someone who was good at one thing, and didn't work somewhere else...

So, while I agree, it's not a prerequisite, I think its definitely a major strength to have proven success as an executive, and think it's well within Romney's right to point out his strength in that matter during the campaign, to draw a comparison with the other candidates failures as an executive...

I also would love to see what can be done in Washington by someone who does have that extensive proven executive leadership, as well...

Country =/= Company
 
While Obama may have more experience being President... I'd still say Romney has far more successful experience as an executive...

You're welcome to your opinion however wrong it is. Romney's experience as Governor may have some applicability to the presidency. However, as a failed governor he might not want to mention it.
 
You're welcome to your opinion however wrong it is. Romney's experience as Governor may have some applicability to the presidency. However, as a failed governor he might not want to mention it.

I'm not sure he was a failed governor.

He did some good, certainly fiscally he did great things for the state by doing things he now has to swear he'll never do as president.

However in the end is approval ratings were pretty low.
 
Shrewd businessmen are cold black hearted compassionate conservatives. If that is what you want, Romney is your man.
 
Shrewd businessmen are cold black hearted compassionate conservatives. If that is what you want, Romney is your man.


collectivist left wing politicians see people as cogs in a machine-if that is what you want, vote Obama

and failed left-wingers are disasters-and we already have that
 
A look-back in American history shows that many of our nation's former Presidents weren't Governors of a state but, in fact, were prominent members of their respective communities if not their state, i.e., doctors, lawyers, landowners, businessmen or strong military leaders. A few were even Senators before becoming President. Only those who either ignore history or are not part of a well-informed electorate would think that only being a Governor or CEO makes one better suited to be President when the evidence proves otherwise.

Wha....? Seriously, you're going to talk about people not understanding history and then make this kind of suggestion?

Notice he said "executive experience", not necessarily simply being top executive.

I need to go back to some of my posts in '08, but I believe over 80% of all our Presidents leading up to that point had either:

1) Experience within the Executive Branch of Government (on a state of federal level)
2) Had Experience as a General in the military

Looking at the past 100 years leading up to Obama, only one Presdient did not have either of the two qualifications...that was Kennedy. Looking at the entire history of the country, only two Presidents don't fall into one of those two qualifications, adding Lincoln to Kennedy. The remaining all either have experience as a General, a Governor, a secretary in the executive branch of the federal government, or as VP.

Of the ones with just secretary experience, you're looking at Hoover serving as the Commerce Secretary and three individuals that served as Secretary of State...Buchanan, Adams, and Madison.

There are a few you can quibble about. The best quibble would be Harding, who was only a Lieutenant Governor but it's still high level state Executive experience. Your others would be that the following individuals only had 2 or less years VP Experience: Forde, Johnson, Truman, Arthur, and Filmore. However, in each of thoes cases they were situations where the President left office early for some reason and it thurst them into the Presidency...not a case where they were elected to the Presidency as an individual with that level of executive experience.

While specifically being a "governor" is not present in an overwhelming majority of Presidents, it is far more frequent then congressional experience. But just speaking about "executive experience" in the meaning of the word with regards to our government? 93% of our President's have had it.

Now, as to Romney's actual argument...at this point it's dumb. It held weight in '08, though was a poor argument since McCain ALSO lacked executive experience. However, Obama now has 4 years of the most pertinent type of Executive Experience when it comes to the office of the Presidency. Using this argument is idiotic.
 
You're welcome to your opinion however wrong it is. Romney's experience as Governor may have some applicability to the presidency. However, as a failed governor he might not want to mention it.

He was actually a very successful governor, who turned a nearly $3B budget shortfall into a $2B surplus in 2 yrs... and balanced the budget in each of his 4 years in office... As well, he turned the tide of lost population and lost jobs that MA had and created positive job growth... the only of the 3 governors in the decade to have seen positive job growth numbers... He took MA from 50th in job growth when he took office to 36th then he left, increasing each year... creating 20K jobs in each year in office (one of only 2 states to do so in that time period)... He also finished the largest construction project in US History, which prior to him wrestling contol of the project had turned into a boondoggle and was a glaring stain on the state, but instead he got it on schedule for completion, and recovered funds lost to contractors for faulty work... Additionally he fired several useless executives and eliminated their positions from the budget... and created the first successfully functioning universal healthcare system in the country, which did not rely on taxpayer funding, and actually saved money for the state...
 
Country =/= Company

And if Romney had only been a businessman... this might be a valid point... but he represented country at the Olympics, and he represented a state as governor...

So he has proven executive success in Business, NGO's, and Government...

Thank you for playing... I'm sure there's a nice parting gift...
 
Of the 43 presidents, 22 were governors, 21 were legislators, 14 were government administrators, 8 were vice presidents, and 7 were military leaders... and even many of those legislators were elected leaders withing their respective bodies... 8 of those presidents were governors without being legislators, and only 6 were legislators with no executive experience...

Also interesting to note, 4 of the 6 who were legislators without other experience died in office, with Obama being the 6th...
Careful here least someone mistakes you of inferring that Obama may be next.

But, let's be clear here... We've NEVER had a president with the significant amount of executive leadership that Romney has had in his lifetime... The only comparatives would be Eisenhower, who was Commander of Allied Forces in WWII and governor of occupied Germany, and George Washington, who was a General in the British Army, then Commander in Chief of the Colonial Army... Those were different situations altogether... Romney has proven high profile successful executive leadership in business, non-governmental organizations, and government... This isn't someone who was good at one thing, and didn't work somewhere else...

So, while I agree, it's not a prerequisite, I think its definitely a major strength to have proven success as an executive, and think it's well within Romney's right to point out his strength in that matter during the campaign, to draw a comparison with the other candidates failures as an executive...
Then I suggest you take a really close look at Romney's record both as the CEO at Bain Capital and his tenure as Governor of Massachusettes.

I also would love to see what can be done in Washington by someone who does have that extensive proven executive leadership, as well...

In short, a businessman...or more bluntly, a successful businessman. Again, look at the record of the individual in question...
 
Careful here least someone mistakes you of inferring that Obama may be next.


Then I suggest you take a really close look at Romney's record both as the CEO at Bain Capital and his tenure as Governor of Massachusettes.



In short, a businessman...or more bluntly, a successful businessman. Again, look at the record of the individual in question...


So what you are basically saying , is now that your first post has been proven to be completely wrong and false, it’s time to attack Romney ??
 
Obama has failed in the job-and that is the best reason not to vote for him

Obam's decisions have had nothing but a positive effect on this country: Ben Laden is gone, corporate profits are way up (that should thrill you), the auto industry is back in business and the door to a health care overhaul in this country has been opened.

Of course, you're not going to vote for him, but it's important to get the truth out there so people can be reminded.
 
Obam's decisions have had nothing but a positive effect on this country: Ben Laden is gone, corporate profits are way up (that should thrill you), the auto industry is back in business and the door to a health care overhaul in this country has been opened.

Of course, you're not going to vote for him, but it's important to get the truth out there so people can be reminded.

Who is this Ben Laden guy? I wonder if you mean Old Ben? I don't know anyone named Ben Laden, but Old Ben lives out beyond the Dune Sea... he's kind of a strange old hermit...

Surely you jest when you say "Obam's decisions have had nothing but a positive effect on this country" or did you mean Bama'... cuz they've been on a tear lately, since hiring Saban...

In all seriousness, some of Obama's decisions have been effective, but by most accounts the greater majority of his decisions have ended up in disaster...

There are 2-3 things the Dems are hanging their hats on, in 3+yrs in office... Bin Laden being killed (which was going to happen eventually, regardless of what president did what)... The auto-industry, which GM is still faltering, having already had to close down 4 of their 8 us brands, and closing down production of their big hype but low-selling Volt (a car which was promised in 2007... and begrudgingly trickled off the line in 2011, but sputtered in 2012)... However, the rest of the auto-industry, that wasnt touched by Obama, is doing just fine... Support for the Auto-Bailouts in this country was highly negative, and still have only recovered to split 50-50... Then the healthcare debacle put a bad taste in people's mouths... 57% of Americans want it gone... and the Supreme Court is about ready to take care of that... So guess what... he really doesn't have a leg to stand on... There is no big winning issue he has...

Yet, on the flip side, he's got massive increases to the debt, while running a persistent $1.4T deficit, not being able to pass a budget in 3 years... In fact at present he's really unable to pass anything... Not even the extension of the college loan interest rate reduction... Solyndra went belly up after he pushed them hard, and gave them $535M in tax dollars... where the FBI raided the company and found that a large Obama campaign contributor was able to withdraw his private investment in the company days before it shut down... leaving only taxpayer money on the tab... and now you've got scandal after scandal within his administration... Surely not all of his doing, but it speaks volumes to how things are being run... A no-confidence vote wouldve been held a long time ago in another country... and despite all that... ultimately, just the high gas prices and high unemployment may be his downfall...
 
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Careful here least someone mistakes you of inferring that Obama may be next.

I was inferring it... There's already been several thrwarted attempts on his life... and there was the bag bomb that Occupy threw over the White House fence...

Then I suggest you take a really close look at Romney's record both as the CEO at Bain Capital and his tenure as Governor of Massachusettes.

In short, a businessman...or more bluntly, a successful businessman. Again, look at the record of the individual in question...

I'm quite familiar with Romney's record as Governor of MA, as a resident of MA, I've been aware of him since many of us were hoping he'd unseat Kennedy back in 94. I voted for him for Governor, and was remarkably impressed with his performance... and I wrote him in for president during the last election, since he proved he could translate his fiscal responsibility in government, in addition to business...

I can understand why a liberal might have a problem with a guy who turned a deficit into a surplus without raising taxes, created job growth in each of his for years, finished the boondoggle construction project that they mismanaged for decades, and passed a successful universal healthcare plan that didnt raise the taxpayer costs for healthcare.... but he did it...
 
Who is this Ben Laden guy? I wonder if you mean Old Ben? I don't know anyone named Ben Laden, but Old Ben lives out beyond the Dune Sea... he's kind of a strange old hermit...

Surely you jest when you say "Obam's decisions have had nothing but a positive effect on this country" or did you mean Bama'... cuz they've been on a tear lately, since hiring Saban...

In all seriousness, some of Obama's decisions have been effective, but by most accounts the greater majority of his decisions have ended up in disaster...

There are 2-3 things the Dems are hanging their hats on, in 3+yrs in office... Bin Laden being killed (which was going to happen eventually, regardless of what president did what)... The auto-industry, which GM is still faltering, having already had to close down 4 of their 8 us brands, and closing down production of their big hype but low-selling Volt (a car which was promised in 2007... and begrudgingly trickled off the line in 2011, but sputtered in 2012)... However, the rest of the auto-industry, that wasnt touched by Obama, is doing just fine... Support for the Auto-Bailouts in this country was highly negative, and still have only recovered to split 50-50... Then the healthcare debacle put a bad taste in people's mouths... 57% of Americans want it gone... and the Supreme Court is about ready to take care of that... So guess what... he really doesn't have a leg to stand on... There is no big winning issue he has...

Yet, on the flip side, he's got massive increases to the debt, while running a persistent $1.4T deficit, not being able to pass a budget in 3 years... In fact at present he's really unable to pass anything... Not even the extension of the college loan interest rate reduction... Solyndra went belly up after he pushed them hard, and gave them $535M in tax dollars... where the FBI raided the company and found that a large Obama campaign contributor was able to withdraw his private investment in the company days before it shut down... leaving only taxpayer money on the tab... and now you've got scandal after scandal within his administration... Surely not all of his doing, but it speaks volumes to how things are being run... A no-confidence vote wouldve been held a long time ago in another country... and despite all that... ultimately, just the high gas prices and high unemployment may be his downfall...

Here's what we now about the things that hampered Obama's progress: There was this horrific financial crash that effected most of the world; maybe you've heard about it, and the Republicans have done nothing but obstruct his abilities from the day of his ignaguration: "we're going to make Obama a one term president" . . . That's what Mitch Mcconnell was saying right?

Now as to Obama's successes: he got Osama Ben Laden, not GW Bush (mr. "bring it on"); don't forget, Ben Laden was an enemy of this country, it was Bush's job to hunt that SOB down. He didn't so it. So, saying that "it was going to hapoen eventually" is just a cop out. Obama said he was goingt to fight anad that's exactly what he did.

The big three auto companies are lucky they're still in business. There has been plenty written about their arrogance and refusal to follow market trends that drove those comapnies into the toilet: you must remember the scandal about those people arriving in jets and limos to ask the government for money. Now campanies that did not need bailouts; banks included, listened to market trends and payed atention to what they were doing.

The health care debacle opened the door to further improvements: the genie's out of the bottle and that hasn't happened since Harry Truman introduced the idea. As for the supreme court, we'll have to wait and see: I'm not crazy about it and I'm very disapointed, but as I say; the door is open now.

Again; the debt has everything to do with the crash. FDR did the same thing when he took office. The idea is generate economic activity: when poeple get into trouble they leverage their homes and do all kinds of things to stay afloat, so I'm not buying all the nonsense about deficit spending when it ignores so mush that is so obvious. You must remember that it was Republican leadership that put us into this hole in the first place, so trying to blame president Obama for its effects really just defys all reason.

As for scandals; yeah, I forgot that every single president prior to Obama had perfect adminstrations . . . What scandals? Are you forgetting that we live in a society that wtches Jerry Springer and Snooky?

Please: I'm buyin' that one either.

Sorry, but I just can't see how your argument overrides the facts of Obama's current adminstration.
 
Here's what we now about the things that hampered Obama's progress:

I'm guessing that was supposed to be "know" and not "now" and as such I would assume...since it's things we "know" not things we "believe" or "think"...that facts will be coming after not opinion. Lets see

There was this horrific financial crash that effected most of the world; maybe you've heard about it, and the Republicans have done nothing but obstruct his abilities from the day of his ignaguration: "we're going to make Obama a one term president" . . . That's what Mitch Mcconnell was saying right?

So lets see....a Fact (financial crisis), an opinion (republicans doing nothing but obstructing), and a factual quote given implied meaning through opinion.

I'm really beginning to think "know" was the wrong word here...

Now as to Obama's successes: he got Osama Ben Laden, not GW Bush (mr. "bring it on");

Umm...very questionable here. First, Obama didn't "get" Bin Laden. You would be accurate if you said that Bin Laden was killed while Obama was President or that he gave the Command. However, giving credit to Obama for "getting" him is, again, opinion based not a fact that we "know". Many of the reasonings one can use to justify, rightly so in my opinion, giving Obama SOME of the credit for the death of Osama Bin Laden can also be used to justify giving SOME of it to GW Bush as well. Ultimately though the ones that "got" Bin Laden was Seal Team Six.

don't forget, Ben Laden was an enemy of this country, it was Bush's job to hunt that SOB down.

Again, questionable here since you present this as some kind of singular job duty. None of Bush's...or Obama's for that matter....duties as part of the job was specifically to "hunt down" Bin Laden. His "job" is to protect, preserve, and defend the constitution and the Constitutoin says nothing specifically about Osama Bin Laden. It is the President's job to protect the country from its enemies by acting as Commander-in-Chief. However, Osama Bin Laden was hardly the singular threat...even within his own organization...against this country.

He didn't so it. So, saying that "it was going to hapoen eventually" is just a cop out.

This one isn't just not a fact, it's actually factually incorrect. Bush was hunting Bin Laden down, as evidenced by the fact that the intelligence string that landed Osama eventually began in 2004 (note who was President then) and had continued through the time of GWB's Presidency. While it's factual to say he didn't succeed at finding Bin Laden before leaving office, he did absolutely proceed in "hunting that SOB down".

The big three auto companies are lucky they're still in business.

More opinoin

There has been plenty written about their arrogance and refusal to follow market trends that drove those comapnies into the toilet: you must remember the scandal about those people arriving in jets and limos to ask the government for money.

Again, opinoin with a smattering of fact added in at the end.

The health care debacle opened the door to further improvements: the genie's out of the bottle and that hasn't happened since Harry Truman introduced the idea.

Opinion. Considering Health Care was being discussed as a campaign issues prior to Obama actually taking over, and some changes to the Health Care in this country happened under Bush (Medicare Part D) there's no factual certainty that had Obama not passed his health care reform that there would not be further discussion and legislative attempts at changing/improving the health care system in this country

As for the supreme court, we'll have to wait and see:

Hey some fact of what we "know".

Again; the debt has everything to do with the crash.

Again, opinoin...not really fact. It's completely up in the air whether or not, given a different economic situation, if Obama's spending would've been siginificantly different than it was. At this point it's guess work. It's not necessarily bad opinion, but it's not a "fact" that it'd be significantly different in terms of the debt.

FDR did the same thing when he took office. The idea is generate economic activity: when poeple get into trouble they leverage their homes and do all kinds of things to stay afloat, so I'm not buying all the nonsense about deficit spending when it ignores so mush that is so obvious. You must remember that it was Republican leadership that put us into this hole in the first place, so trying to blame president Obama for its effects really just defys all reason.

Fact in terms of what the "idea" was. Opinion in terms of stating what "people do" since such broad statements are rather questionable to make. The "Republican leadership" statement is questionable as well. How is that defined...is the "leadership" determined by singularly whose in control of the White House? Does the congress matter at all, specifically the house where the usage of monies originate? Are you suggesting that, since you state "republican leadership" put us in this hole, that the entirety of our debt issues rests on Republican shoulders rather than anything on Democratic shoulders or simple happenstance?

As for scandals; yeah, I forgot that every single president prior to Obama had perfect adminstrations . . . What scandals? Are you forgetting that we live in a society that wtches Jerry Springer and Snooky?

So one fact here...that other administrations have had scandals...as a means of pushing an OPINION that scandals don't matter for Obama. Followed by a seeming denial of any scandals with the notion of "What Scandals" followed again by an opinion that seemingly any scandals under hte Obama administration don't matter because people watch Jerry Springer (They still do?) and the Jersey Shore.

Sorry, but I just can't see how your argument overrides the facts of Obama's current adminstration.

You didn't provide much facts at all. For stating you wanted to talk about what we "know" your post was nothing but a littering of opinions, implicatoins, and assumptions based entirely on a left leaning view of what is good and bad...which isn't something inherently bad to do, it just isn't exactly jiving with the notion of you stating you were going to talk about what we "know" when you started your post.
 
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