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The Life of Julia

So if Julia was Pablo, you'd be saying Obama hates Latino men?

I leave that sort of hyperbole and projecting to the Libs..they love fiction
 
I leave that sort of hyperbole and projecting to the Libs..they love fiction

Unlike Conservatives who believe that Obama is a Kenyan with an Indonesian last name. No fiction there. :roll:
 
Seems I was wrong, at least partly:



So, Samuel Wurzelbacher, AKA Joe the Plumber actually did become a plumber at one point. He also was Samuel, the candidate for Congress.

I think he goes by his middle name, Joseph. Regardless, it doesn't matter. HINT: Jesse Ventura isn't his "real" name. At least not at birth. (Jim Janos is)
 
Unlike Conservatives who believe that Obama is a Kenyan with an Indonesian last name. No fiction there. :roll:

all he had to do was produce the Birth certificate.. Obama wanted it to be an issue.. McCain had to produce one.. why Obama was allowed to run without that being air tight and in the vault is another mystery..

Its always normal to have a candidate with two names < Barry Soetero and Barack Hussein Obama, and who wrote books like he did, and have family saying he was born in Kenya.. and conections to Soros

its soooooo apple pie
 
Wake me up when it's time to vote.
 
all he had to do was produce the Birth certificate.. Obama wanted it to be an issue.. McCain had to produce one.. why Obama was allowed to run without that being air tight and in the vault is another mystery..

Its always normal to have a candidate with two names < Barry Soetero and Barack Hussein Obama, and who wrote books like he did, and have family saying he was born in Kenya.. and conections to Soros

its soooooo apple pie

Right, as I said. No fiction in the idea that a 50 year conspiracy involving the entire state government of Hawaii, and newspapers that published a birth announcement, just so one person, an ethnic Indonesian born in Kenya could get rid of the Constitution and declare himself the Marxist dictator of the People's Caliphate of the United States of Islam.

That must be true.
 
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I'm seeing a lot of griping about how Julia is "super dependent on the government" and the like. I decided to look at the actual programs the ad mentions:

Head Start Kindergarten
Race to the Top education standards
Pell Grants
Health Care provisions that let children be on their parents accounts until 25
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
Low interest rates on student loans
Laws that health care must that cover preventative care and birth control
Prenatal Care
Tax cuts for small businesses
Medicare
Social Security


Now I know we have some pretty hardcore libertarians who are 100% Medicare and Social Security, but can anyone who is a relatively mainstream Conservative give me any reason you disagree with any of these programs?

To clarify, I mean quotes like "The real shame here is that Julia has become so dependent on government programs that she is unable to plan, care for or even think for herself. Kind of like a domesticated animal that is unable to live in the wild anymore."
 
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Right, as I said. No fiction in the idea that a 50 year conspiracy involving the entire state government of Hawaii, and newspapers that published a birth announcement, just so one person, an ethnic Indonesian born in Kenya could get rid of the Constitution and declare himself the Marxist dictator of the People's Caliphate of the United States of Islam.

That must be true.

well when you put it that way...
 
I'm seeing a lot of griping about how Julia is "super dependent on the government" and the like. I decided to look at the actual programs the ad mentions:

Head Start Kindergarten
Race to the Top education standards
Pell Grants
Health Care provisions that let children be on their parents accounts until 25
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
Low interest rates on student loans
Laws that health care must that cover preventative care and birth control
Prenatal Care
Tax cuts for small businesses
Medicare
Social Security


Now I know we have some pretty hardcore libertarians who are 100% Medicare and Social Security, but can anyone who is a relatively mainstream Conservative give me any reason you disagree with any of these programs?

TBH, it isn't about disagree with the idea behind a program. It's about disagreeing that those programs are 100% essential to every girl in the country, and the implication that a girl is doomed to fail or suffer extreme hardship without them.
 
Holy ****, the irony meter just assploded!

whats the "irony"... I dont think its funny that Obama thinks that a girl cant ssurvive without the goverment making her choice and the fear that she can make it without goverment intrusion
 
TBH, it isn't about disagree with the idea behind a program. It's about disagreeing that those programs are 100% essential to every girl in the country, and the implication that a girl is doomed to fail or suffer extreme hardship without them.

I don't think it ever said that a girl is doomed to fail without them, just that they give her a huge leg up, and help her establish herself as a productive member of society.
 
whats the "irony"... I dont think its funny that Obama thinks that a girl cant ssurvive without the goverment making her choice and the fear that she can make it without goverment intrusion

Travis, I wrote out all of the programs that ad talks about. Which ones specifically do you disagree with? Also, which ones specifically do you see as the government "making choices" for her?
 
I don't think it ever said that a girl is doomed to fail without them, just that they give her a huge leg up, and help her establish herself as a productive member of society.

Perhaps you missed the word implication?

And "leg up" is debateable.

Race to the top has hardly been implemented, let alone proven a success.
The effects of head start are negligible at best in many cases. (http://www.nber.org/papers/w4406.pdf)

And that's just two of the programs that supposedly promise Julia a better chance at success..
 
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Travis, I wrote out all of the programs that ad talks about. Which ones specifically do you disagree with? Also, which ones specifically do you see as the government "making choices" for her?

I disagree with all of it.. I oppose the fear mongering angle of the entire piece B Hussein put together..
 
I disagree with all of it.. I oppose the fear mongering angle of the entire piece B Hussein put together..

You think we should get rid of:

Head Start Kindergarten

Race to the Top education standards
Pell Grants
Health Care provisions that let children be on their parents accounts until 25
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
Low interest rates on student loans
Laws that health care must that cover preventative care and birth control
Prenatal Care
Tax cuts for small businesses
Medicare
Social Security

I think that would put you at the extreme minority in the American people. And really? Tax cuts for small businesses? You're against even that? I think this points at some of the major problems with American Conservatives.
 
Perhaps you missed the word implication?

And "leg up" is debateable.

Race to the top has hardly been implemented, let alone proven a success.
The effects of head start are negligible at best in many cases. (http://www.nber.org/papers/w4406.pdf)

And that's just two of the programs that supposedly promise Julia a better chance at success..

Well what do you think we should keep, change, or get rid of, on that list, since you're being so vague about what you actually do think.
 
I wonder if Julia is lonely as she drifts through life?


I agree...I found the tone and sadness of it unsettling...its like she has no friends, only the goverment...
 
I agree...I found the tone and sadness of it unsettling...its like she has no friends, only the goverment...

Just from a graphic design angle, there's things that could have been done to make it a better ad, putting more background people in the pictures wouldn't have hurt.
 
Well what do you think we should keep, change, or get rid of, on that list, since you're being so vague about what you actually do think.

Head Start Kindergarten - Modify or replace completely

Race to the Top education standards - needs testing/application/extensive use over a longer period (in full effect) before any assessment can be made, though I disagree with some of its goals/implementations

Pell Grants - restructured utilizing a field-sponsored grant program for in-demand careers, eliminate grants for undeclared students or those majoring in disciplines that have a flooded job market; limit the life-time maximum receipt of funds

Health Care provisions that let children be on their parents accounts until 25 - I'm not sure of all of the restrictions on this, but I think it's completely ridiculous for a 26 (that's the current age, not 25) year old to be on their parent's insurance program if they're otherwise self-sufficient and not in school. This clause, if it applies at all, should be limited only to those 26 and under who are still enrolled in college and who are not also working full time jobs.

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act - Doesn't really do anything to actually ensure fair pay, it just extends the amount of time available to file a claim of wage discrimination. Don't really care about it one way or the other as it seems more like a bandaid instead of stitches.

Low interest rates on student loans - I disagree with this solution to the student loan debt problem. It doesn't actually solve any problems, it simply shifts responsibility

Laws that health care must that cover preventative care and birth control - I don't agree that I should receive free birth control and yearly wellness exams for free. I can afford my insurance premiums for every other medication and yearly check-up. Why is this one somehow special? Should men receive free testicular cancer screenings and condoms?

Prenatal Care - What policies are we discussing, exactly?

Tax cuts for small businesses - it depends on what taxes and how they're funded, and in what amounts they're offered. A "tax cut" is not necessarily beneficial simply because it exists

Medicare - this program is essentially under water, and made more so by Obamacare. Why would I support a program that has exacerbated the non-public increase in healthcare costs by underpaying for covered services and practitioners? It should be completely revamped, revised, or thrown out and recreated

Social Security - ultimately unsustainable. There should be more choice involved for those who are paying into the system. And, the money should be truly off limits to other spending programs and fiscal requests of the U.S. government.
 
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