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Why does President Obama take so much credit for killing Osama bin Laden[W:533, 612]

Re: Why does President Obama take so much credit for killing Osama bin Laden

In 1997 the UN inspectors didn't find any WMDs and were about to issue a report clearing Iraq which would have lifted the sanctions when the US intervened and drummed up a false story to keep the sanctions in place. Soon after Saddam found one of the inspectors to be a CIA agent and stopped the inspections. Desert Fox was a smoke screen.

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Roads? where Osama was going, he didn't need roads!!!

Again, Tora Bora = treacherous mountain region, filled with passable caverns, and heights which were out of the control of the military, even long after the Battle of Tora Bora...

It's not that you have to keep repeating yourself over again, its that you need to change your mindset to match the actual situation, not the liberal speaking points afterwards...
 
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All this petty back and forth is why many of our best members no longer participate.

It makes me wonder what the "back and forth" will be between Obama and Romney in the debates.

They're both pro-choice, anti-gun, tax raisers who have enacted government healthcare programs. Yet somehow they're going to argue that they're not alike.
 
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It was not a complicated post, it just managed to destroy your arguments. I can understand your desire to run away.

Actually, your retort was rediculous, because you obviously don't understand what, "risk management", is.
 
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H.W. Bush used to do what he called an "I-ectomy", wherein before he got up to the podium he would spend some time crossing out every "I" in the speech and replacing it with "we" or some other appropriate pronoun.

He lost his bid for reelection didn't he?
 
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Roads? where Osama was going, he didn't need roads!!!

Again, Tora Bora = treacherous mountain region, filled with passable caverns, and heights which were out of the control of the military, even long after the Battle of Tora Bora...

It's not that you have to keep repeating yourself over again, its that you need to change your mindset to match the actual situation, not the liberal speaking points afterwards...
I'm right so why should I change my mindset?

"...Delta developed an audacious plan to come at bin Laden from the one direction he would never expect.

"We want to come in on the back door," Fury explains. "The original plan that we sent up through our higher headquarters, Delta Force wants to come in over the mountain with oxygen, coming from the Pakistan side, over the mountains and come in and get a drop on bin Laden from behind."

But they didn't take that route, because Fury says they didn't get approval from a higher level. "Whether that was Central Command all the way up to the president of the United States, I'm not sure," he says.

The next option that Delta wanted to employ was to drop hundreds of landmines in the mountain passes that led to Pakistan, which was bin Laden's escape route.

"First guy blows his leg off, everybody else stops. That allows aircraft overhead to find them. They see all these heat sources out there. Okay, there a big large group of Al Qaeda moving south. They can engage that," Fury explains.

But they didn't do that either, because Fury says that plan was also disapproved. He says he has "no idea" why.

"How often does Delta come up with a tactical plan that's disapproved by higher headquarters?" Pelley asks.

"In my experience, in my five years at Delta, never before," Fury says.


Elite Officer Recalls Bin Laden Hunt - CBS News


Someone high up in the command chain made a strategic tactical error by not covering the back side of the White mountains to cover Al Qaeda's escape route.
 
Re: Why does President Obama take so much credit for killing Osama bin Laden

I don't think Bush used as many drones, did he?

Do you have the slightest clue what you're talking about?
 
Re: Why does President Obama take so much credit for killing Osama bin Laden

It makes me wonder what the "back and forth" will be between Obama and Romney in the debates.

They're both pro-choice, anti-gun, tax raisers who have enacted government healthcare programs. Yet somehow they're going to argue that they're not alike.

For those of us who understand how important judicial picks are we know the difference. Look i realize all you care about is having another religious fascist in office who will try to ban abortion, outlaw gays in the military and bring back the Spanish Inquisition to burn heretics but if you cannot see the economic difference between someone who wants to tax tax and tax some more with Romney you really cannot be taken seriously

Oh BTW since you won't vote for anyone who has a chance of winning you aren't going to be taken seriously
 
I'm sure it's been said somewhere else in this thread, but ...really? He's making a "big deal" about it? If Bush had gotten bin Laden we'd all be celebrating George W. Bush day with parades in every city and hamlet. He and his Republican successor candidates would be campaigning on it, partisan bloggers would be howling like rabid baboons about how their guy got him. And anyone who suggested that maybe it was being made too big a deal of would be instantly labeled a sour grapes crybaby. Or worse.

Let's call this what it is: a partisan attack in the style of Karl Rove. Take your opponents strength and just start calling it a weakness. Doesn't matter if it makes sense, just keep doing it. Stay on message and you will be rewarded: the mushy, ill-informed middle will walk away thinking the sky is probably purple.
 
Re: Why does President Obama take so much credit for killing Osama bin Laden

i'm not sure what the point of your games are.
of course Obama is the President and CINC.... why are trying to make it seem like I don't believe he is?
You're the one playing word games. Why can't you just say that Obama is the Sp.ops president? Just say it.

I didn't say you need ot put the SEAL team in the media... giving them credit in your post would have sufficed.... but i understand, you don't want anything to eclipse the praise you give to Obama.. even the guys who did the work.
Do you think they expect credit everytime Obama's name is mentioned? Or do you think "they know the score"?
 
Re: Why does President Obama take so much credit for killing Osama bin Laden

Do you have the slightest clue what you're talking about?
Yes, Obama uses more drones than Bush did. Do you have a problem with that?
 
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I'm right so why should I change my mindset?

Elite Officer Recalls Bin Laden Hunt - CBS News

You're not right... youre doing exactly as I said... quoting the post event liberal talking points... by some ground general who is commenting on decisions which are clearly above his pay grade...


"...Delta developed an audacious plan to come at bin Laden from the one direction he would never expect.

"We want to come in on the back door," Fury explains. "The original plan that we sent up through our higher headquarters, Delta Force wants to come in over the mountain with oxygen, coming from the Pakistan side, over the mountains and come in and get a drop on bin Laden from behind."

But they didn't take that route, because Fury says they didn't get approval from a higher level. "Whether that was Central Command all the way up to the president of the United States, I'm not sure," he says.

Come in the back door, ey? sounds like an audacious plan... Now I can see his Fury...

Yes, someone above his pay grade made the strategic decision, that it was a stupid risky plan, that could easily have lead to the death of thousands of US Troops...

They made the decision that they werent going to send large numbers of conventional forces into the caves after bin Laden, because it would lead to massive casualties, which might defeat the public support for the War on Terror, which is larger than just 1 man...

That's a wise decision...


The next option that Delta wanted to employ was to drop hundreds of landmines in the mountain passes that led to Pakistan, which was bin Laden's escape route.

"First guy blows his leg off, everybody else stops. That allows aircraft overhead to find them. They see all these heat sources out there. Okay, there a big large group of Al Qaeda moving south. They can engage that," Fury explains.

But they didn't do that either, because Fury says that plan was also disapproved. He says he has "no idea" why.

"How often does Delta come up with a tactical plan that's disapproved by higher headquarters?" Pelley asks.

"In my experience, in my five years at Delta, never before," Fury says.

Yes... what "Fury" doesn't realize is just how STUPID that plan is, as well... They already can and were tracking heat source body images by satellite...

But dropping thousands of landmines? Seriously?

The US is one of the leaders in the world on having land mines removed... how could we still maintain that credibility by dropped landmines...

Again, Grand Strategy is over this guy's paygrade... and seemingly for good reason...

Someone high up in the command chain made a strategic tactical error by not covering the back side of the White mountains to cover Al Qaeda's escape route.

Yes, someone high in command made the decision that someone in high command is supposed to do... It was decided that thousands of lives could be lost by trying to track down in bin Laden in a series of hidden mountain caves...

theres no such thing as a "strategic tactical" error... There's Grand Strategy, Strategy, and Tactics... the guy they interviewed only makes tactical decisions to carry out strategy that someone else sets... Grand Strategy is something way over his head, and that they're giving credence to what his words are in regards to those decisions is fundamentally flawed...
 
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You're not right... youre doing exactly as I said... quoting the post event liberal talking points... by some ground general who is commenting on decisions which are clearly above his pay grade...
That was a quote from a special ops who was actually there at Tora Bora. I'll take an eye witness account over an uninformed squawky poster on a forum anyday.

Come in the back door, ey? sounds like an audacious plan... Now I can see his Fury...

Yes, someone above his pay grade made the strategic decision, that it was a stupid risky plan, that could easily have lead to the death of thousands of US Troops...

They made the decision that they werent going to send large numbers of conventional forces into the caves after bin Laden, because it would lead to massive casualties, which might defeat the public support for the War on Terror, which is larger than just 1 man...

That's a wise decision...
Fury was the leader of the special ops team sent in to kill OBL at Tora Bora. The Afgan fighters would have and did most of the ground fighting and the US would and did provide air support. The fact they had pinpointed OBL's location at Tora Bora and the high command denied a plan to block his escape route suggests that people in high places weren't that interested in catching or killing OBL. Did you ever think of that? Of course not, you're too busy worrying about Fury's pay grade for crying out loud. <rolls eyes>


Yes... what "Fury" doesn't realize is just how STUPID that plan is, as well... They already can and were tracking heat source body images by satellite...

But dropping thousands of landmines? Seriously?

The US is one of the leaders in the world on having land mines removed... how could we still maintain that credibility by dropped landmines...

Again, Grand Strategy is over this guy's paygrade... and seemingly for good reason...
So you think Fury was risking his life and those of his men because his pay grade was too low? Gawd, are you for real? ROTFL

U.S.: Bush Administration Abandons Landmine Ban | Human Rights Watch

Yes, someone high in command made the decision that someone in high command is supposed to do... It was decided that thousands of lives could be lost by trying to track down in bin Laden in a series of hidden mountain caves...

theres no such thing as a "strategic tactical" error... There's Grand Strategy, Strategy, and Tactics... the guy they interviewed only makes tactical decisions to carry out strategy that someone else sets... Grand Strategy is something way over his head, and that they're giving credence to what his words are in regards to those decisions is fundamentally flawed...
Meh, you're grasping at straws. Strategic AND tactical errors....there u happy now? Because if thats all you have then our discussion has run it's course.....and I was right.
 
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again, now youre proving a lack of knowledge on another basic concept...

first you dont know fact from fiction... now you dont know what honesty and dishonesty are...

this is getting pretty sad... you may want to ask your guidance counselor to move you to remedial classes...

You have to keep in mind that AdamT is a proven liar and he's always known for spouting lies and/or false facts on other threads such as Obama's auto bailouts saved MILLIONS and MILLIONS of jobs or that the effect of the trillion spent on the stimulous caused 23 consecutive months of job growth.

AdamT has convinced himself that Obama is the 2nd coming of the Mesiah and Obama is flawless.
 
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The reason we did not go in with a larger force at Tora Bora was a political decision:

Franks’ second-in-command during the war said:
DeLong amplified the reasons for not sending American troops
after bin Laden. ‘‘The real reason we didn’t go in with U.S. troops
was that we hadn’t had the election yet,’’ he said in the staff interview,
a reference to the installation of Hamid Karzai as the interim
leader of Afghanistan. ‘‘We didn’t want to have U.S. forces fighting
before Karzai was in power. We wanted to create a stable country
and that was more important than going after bin Laden at the
time.’’

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Tora_Bora_Report.pdf
 
Re: Vets for Strong America: Why Does Obama take so much credit for OBL?

... and I've been pissed he didn't give credit to Clinton for starting the process... he lumps it in as the result of 9/11 and that we started looking then... but we had already been looking for him in somalia, sudan, and afghanistan well before 9/11 occured... This work began under Clinton... yet not a word of what occured pre-9/11 to get him... and there are far more victims who couldve/shouldve been acknowledged that werent... from the US Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the Khobar Tower Bombing, the USS Cole Bombing... Obama all but dismissed that time period... Clinton sent tomahawk missiles trying to kill bin Laden... all but ignored in this speech...
Weird then (for you) that Romney would complain in 2007 about the need to spend all those dollars for going after Bin Laden.......isn't it?
We didn't get the intel on Obama from going out and spending billions of dollars... it came from a prisoner at guantanamo...

And yes, we wouldve been better off if Romney had prevented spending the billions of dollars... and our economy would be better today...
LOL....the cost of intel? Going after "Obama"? OMG!

No....no....the point that was made, by Romney and that you repeated earlier, was that it was pointless to spend "millions" going after "one man",UBL.
But there you are, saying how upset you are that CLINTON (of all people!!!) was not getting credit for all of the effort (read:COSTS) for going after UBL.....that Barack had left out of the speech.

You and Romney have nothing to stand on, we had spent millions on getting UBL since Clinton, you recognize that, yet you still hold to the idea that spending millions was not in our best interests.

So which is it? Do you still feel Clinton should get credit.....or was the whole millions of dollars pursuit of UBL wrong headed?
 
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