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Romney Flip Flops again. Auto bailout was "his idea"

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"For months, Mitt Romney has been dogged by a 2008 New York Times op-ed he wrote entitled “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.” But now, the same adviser who claimed Romney’s extreme views wouldn’t matter in the general election because it will be “almost like an Etch a Sketch” is doing some serious Etch a Sketch-shaking of his own.
Romney strongly opposed the “bailout” of General Motors, writing: “If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.” He doubled down on that in February, saying that his “managed bankruptcy” proposals would have been vastly superior to the Obama administration’s “crony capitalism plan.” Now that the federal intervention by the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations has proven a huge success, the Romney campaign is trying desperately to change its tune.
On Saturday, Romney’s senior adviser Eric Fehrnstrom said:
[Romney's] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed. I know it infuriates them to hear that… The only economic success that President Obama has had is because he followed Mitt Romney’s advice. … The fact that the auto companies today are profitable is because they’ve shed costs. The reason they shed those costs and have got their employee labor contracts less expensive is because they went through that managed bankruptcy process. It is exactly what Mitt Romney told them to do.
Fehrnstrom has made the same claim before. “Mitt Romney had the idea first,” he said last May. “Mitt Romney argued that instead of a bailout, we should let the car companies go through a restructuring under the bankruptcy laws.” This, of course, flatly contradicts Romney’s February editorial, in which he wrote of Obama’s efforts: “I believe that without his intervention things there would be better.”
As industry experts have noted, however, exactly following Romney’s plan would have led to the collapse of the auto industry, since the private sector wasn’t willing to lend GM and Chrysler the money they needed to get to managed bankruptcy. “There was no one that was willing to come up not only with the cash to keep them afloat but also to serve the warranties of everyone, you and I that drive all these cars,” Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI), a Romney endorser, said in February. “There was no one that could have picked up those pieces other than the federal government.”"

Romney Adviser Now Claims GM Bailout Was Romney's Idea | ThinkProgress
 
"For months, Mitt Romney has been dogged by a 2008 New York Times op-ed he wrote entitled “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.” But now, the same adviser who claimed Romney’s extreme views wouldn’t matter in the general election because it will be “almost like an Etch a Sketch” is doing some serious Etch a Sketch-shaking of his own.
Romney strongly opposed the “bailout” of General Motors, writing: “If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.” He doubled down on that in February, saying that his “managed bankruptcy” proposals would have been vastly superior to the Obama administration’s “crony capitalism plan.” Now that the federal intervention by the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations has proven a huge success, the Romney campaign is trying desperately to change its tune.
On Saturday, Romney’s senior adviser Eric Fehrnstrom said:
[Romney's] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed. I know it infuriates them to hear that… The only economic success that President Obama has had is because he followed Mitt Romney’s advice. … The fact that the auto companies today are profitable is because they’ve shed costs. The reason they shed those costs and have got their employee labor contracts less expensive is because they went through that managed bankruptcy process. It is exactly what Mitt Romney told them to do.
Fehrnstrom has made the same claim before. “Mitt Romney had the idea first,” he said last May. “Mitt Romney argued that instead of a bailout, we should let the car companies go through a restructuring under the bankruptcy laws.” This, of course, flatly contradicts Romney’s February editorial, in which he wrote of Obama’s efforts: “I believe that without his intervention things there would be better.”
As industry experts have noted, however, exactly following Romney’s plan would have led to the collapse of the auto industry, since the private sector wasn’t willing to lend GM and Chrysler the money they needed to get to managed bankruptcy. “There was no one that was willing to come up not only with the cash to keep them afloat but also to serve the warranties of everyone, you and I that drive all these cars,” Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI), a Romney endorser, said in February. “There was no one that could have picked up those pieces other than the federal government.”"

Romney Adviser Now Claims GM Bailout Was Romney's Idea | ThinkProgress
so tell us-what causes you to basically sound like a paid advertisement for Obama
 
Do my posts bother you? Or is it my support for Obama? Tough ****, deal with it.

Well primarily because you are acting like a newsbot. You quoted the article from thinkprogress verbatim and added no thoughts of your own. Makes you look like a paid bot than a real genuine poster.

BTW Romney's assertion that the auto companies would get their costs under control after bankruptcy is true. They did so after the government takeover, his position hasnt changed. But then again I do my own thinking, I dont let thinkprogress do it for me.
 
Well primarily because you are acting like a newsbot. You quoted the article from thinkprogress verbatim and added no thoughts of your own. Makes you look like a paid bot than a real genuine poster.

BTW Romney's assertion that the auto companies would get their costs under control after bankruptcy is true. They did so after the government takeover, his position hasnt changed. But then again I do my own thinking, I dont let thinkprogress do it for me.

Is there some rule that says I have to add my own thoughts? My thoughts were in the title "Romney Flip flops again"...pay better attention next time.

And of course you would see it the way you do, you're conservative. ANYTHING posted against Romney you'll argue and sugar coat. Tell me, is Romney care different from Obama care?
 
Is there some rule that says I have to add my own thoughts? My thoughts were in the title "Romney Flip flops again"...pay better attention next time.

And of course you would see it the way you do, you're conservative. ANYTHING posted against Romney you'll argue and sugar coat. Tell me, is Romney care different from Obama care?

Youre not very good at this. I support Romney now that hes the nominee. I did not support him in the primary. If he were flip flopping, Id be agreeing with you. Ask anyone on this forum---my support for Romney is tepid at best.

Secondly, I thought this post was about the auto bailout, not health care? Stay on topic.
 
It's a painfully obvious flip flop.
 
Youre not very good at this. I support Romney now that hes the nominee. I did not support him in the primary. If he were flip flopping, Id be agreeing with you. Ask anyone on this forum---my support for Romney is tepid at best.

Wow, I would never support someone "just because" they were the nominee if I didnt support them to begin with. That's rather....sad.

Secondly, I thought this post was about the auto bailout, not health care? Stay on topic.

Who are you? My daddy? :roll:
 
Wow, I would never support someone "just because" they were the nominee if I didnt support them to begin with. That's rather....sad.

Who are you? My daddy? :roll:

Im sure not going to support Obama.

Ok, Ill just report your post next time, noted.
 
Yea, I remember in 2008 when the auto industry and one of the last strongholds of our manufacturing base was on the verge of collapse. Mitt Romney (the career politician and Bain American job destroyer) shouted "let Detroit go bankrupt!" and we could "kiss the American automotive industry goodbye" if Obama was in charge.

Because of the action of this administration the industry is thriving and finally has some cars that compete and they hired over 100,000 workers!

Yes! the American auto industry is now lean, innovative and aggressive and kept jobs in America! Romney was shooting off his mouth and thank god it was only hot air and he was not the POTUS when that decision was made and he was simply a sore loser to McCain.
 
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Well a republican recently said, Romney should be loved by all because one week hes a
Liberal the next he's a conservative.
 
Yea, I remember in 2008 when the auto industry and one of the last strongholds of our manufacturing base was on the verge of collapse. Mitt Romney (the career politician and Bain American job destroyer) shouted "let Detroit go bankrupt!" and we could "kiss the American automotive industry goodbye" if Obama was in charge.

Because of the action of this administration the industry is thriving and finally has some cars that compete and they hired over 100,000 workers!

Yes! the American auto industry is now lean, innovative and aggressive and kept jobs in America! Romney was shooting off his mouth and thank god it was only hot air and he was not the POTUS when that decision was made and he was simply a sore loser to McCain.

I see that the liberals in this thread are not understanding something---they DID go bankrupt and during the proceedings restructured their liabilities to increase their profitability. What Romney said was in fact, correct. They needed to go bankrupt and establish what parts of their companies were effective and making money and what parts were hurting them. They did so. They changed a lot of things about the way they do and did business.

Btw, held to my views? Dont be a niave child, Romney is closer to my views than Obama is, so as a choice between the two, Romney will get my vote and my support. That doesnt make me incapable of looking at what he does and does not do and evaluating it. Adam, you and I have disagreed on this exact topic, I believe the auto industry should have gone ahead and filed 11 and restructured, you believed it was impossible. I disagree, but essentially both GM and Chrysler underwent a change where they essentially were in 11 via bailout and restructured.
 
It seems there is nothing which Governor Romney is not willing to amend in order to appeal to his intended audience. An audience which is, of course, no longer the right wing fringe but the general population, which witnessed the selling of the Governors soul in order to win his party's nomination. I would strongly suggest to the candidate to choose a running mate for his or her experience and skill, and certainly not those qualities looked for by Senator McCain in the last Presidential election.

No matter what the Governor says his position on the auto bailout is now (which is apparently for the bailouts this 30th of April 2012, recorded just in case he changes his position several more times in the weeks to come), he will still be portrayed as one who made the decision, which, to his defense, most other people seem to have made at the time, to let the industry go bankrupt. Now that the industry has turned around and begun hiring again, it is hard for me to see Governor Romney doing well in regions that would have been most effected by potential job losses.

I was under the impression the Governor still held the position that bankruptcy would have been cheaper and more effective.
 
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I see that the liberals in this thread are not understanding something---they DID go bankrupt and during the proceedings restructured their liabilities to increase their profitability. What Romney said was in fact, correct. They needed to go bankrupt and establish what parts of their companies were effective and making money and what parts were hurting them. They did so. They changed a lot of things about the way they do and did business.

Btw, held to my views? Dont be a niave child, Romney is closer to my views than Obama is, so as a choice between the two, Romney will get my vote and my support. That doesnt make me incapable of looking at what he does and does not do and evaluating it. Adam, you and I have disagreed on this exact topic, I believe the auto industry should have gone ahead and filed 11 and restructured, you believed it was impossible. I disagree, but essentially both GM and Chrysler underwent a change where they essentially were in 11 via bailout and restructured.

Why is it SO hard for you people to admit he's a spun out Flip flopper? He cant figure out where he stands on anything, ever. He Panders....he's truly a sad sight.
 
Actually, for those that have done their research on the GM bankruptcy, Mitt Romney was spot on with what needed to happen in his 2008 op-ed. His general idea was pretty much implemented by Obama in 2009. The only flip flop exposed is that Romney's February Editorial should not have criticized Obama for following his plan. Although saying Obama did the right thing is not good for his campaign either so I do not fault him. The whole "collapse of the auto industry" in the last paragraph is BS because we pretty much did what Romney said to do in 08.
 
Why is it SO hard for you people to admit he's a spun out Flip flopper? He cant figure out where he stands on anything, ever. He Panders....he's truly a sad sight.

The only flip flop is the February editorial were he criticized Obama for basically implementing his plan. What do you want him to say, good job Obama? Last I checked he was running against him for president, common sense would tell me that he should not do that.
 
The only flip flop is the February editorial were he criticized Obama for basically implementing his plan. What do you want him to say, good job Obama? Last I checked he was running against him for president, common sense would tell me that he should not do that.

Romney flip flops on several issues, this isnt new news....And of course he wouldn't say that, you think I'm stupid or something? Where'd you pull that assumption out of?
 
Yea, I remember in 2008 when the auto industry and one of the last strongholds of our manufacturing base was on the verge of collapse. Mitt Romney (the career politician and Bain American job destroyer) shouted "let Detroit go bankrupt!" and we could "kiss the American automotive industry goodbye" if Obama was in charge.

Because of the action of this administration the industry is thriving and finally has some cars that compete and they hired over 100,000 workers!

Yes! the American auto industry is now lean, innovative and aggressive and kept jobs in America! Romney was shooting off his mouth and thank god it was only hot air and he was not the POTUS when that decision was made and he was simply a sore loser to McCain.

I see that the liberals in this thread are not understanding something---they DID go bankrupt and during the proceedings restructured their liabilities to increase their profitability.

Everyone knows that ... come on! Obama extended emergency rescue loans to GM and Chrysler, helping to save 1.4 million jobs and now they are leaner, adding jobs and have put out some phenomenal prodects!

The point is Romney ( the career politician who bankrupts companies to profit a few and send jobs to foreign soil) was against what Obama administration did to save the last of our manufacturing base.

Obama made a smart economic move and Romney's hot air at the time is now echoing in his etch a sketch brain ... well as I said ... thank god Romeny was only a loser to McCain blowing steam and not the POTUS making that decision.
 
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Romney flip flops on several issues, this isnt new news....
...I am talking about the so called flip flop in the OP.

And of course he wouldn't say that, you think I'm stupid or something? Where'd you pull that assumption out of?

If anything this shows that Romney was the man with the plan in 08, and is standing by his position. However, since the incumbent actually followed his plan he has little to go on. So his "flip flop" (criticizing Obama) is actually a good campaign tactic, do you agree?
 
Romney was willing to let more American jobs and manufacturing go to Asia.

Obama's admin emergency loans saved over a million jobs and that the U.S. auto industry had created 120,000+ jobs since the companies emerged from their restructurings with some phenomenal products.

Romney is a sell out to a few and his steaming mess of his 'plan" has given him fog brain and an embarrassing window into his "big business" ideas.

No doubt in my mind Romney could have liquidated and made some multi millions for a handful ... however I am glad he was not POTUS and just McCain's sore loser blowing hot air at our American auto industry. China would have been frothing at the mouth over a Romney plan on that one!

Way to go ... United States of America!
 
Romney was willing to let more American jobs and manufacturing go to Asia.

Obama's admin emergency loans saved over a million jobs and that the U.S. auto industry had created 120,000+ jobs since the companies emerged from their restructurings with some phenomenal products.

Romney is a sell out to a few and his steaming mess of his 'plan" has given him fog brain and an embarrassing window into his "big business" ideas.

No doubt in my mind Romney could have liquidated and made some multi millions for a handful ... however I am glad he was not POTUS and just McCain's sore loser blowing hot air at our American auto industry. China would have been frothing at the mouth over a Romney plan on that one!

Way to go ... United States of America!

FYI I would not go to far on that road..

It could be Michigan, or Germany, or Japan. But this assembly line is in the Jingqiao district of Shanghai, an area of office parks, corporate headquarters, and sophisticated manufacturing plants. It belongs to GM Shanghai, a joint venture of General Motors and Chinese car company SAIC, Here, the revived car company is reviving a brand that has been left for dead in the U.S.: Buick.

Why Buick Is Big in Beijing
 
FYI I would not go to far on that road..

It could be Michigan, or Germany, or Japan. But this assembly line is in the Jingqiao district of Shanghai, an area of office parks, corporate headquarters, and sophisticated manufacturing plants. It belongs to GM Shanghai, a joint venture of General Motors and Chinese car company SAIC, Here, the revived car company is reviving a brand that has been left for dead in the U.S.: Buick.

Why Buick Is Big in Beijing

The China sales still benefit a US manufacturing company, even if the factory is in China -- just like US sales benefit Honda even if the factory is in the US.
 
"For months, Mitt Romney has been dogged by a 2008 New York Times op-ed he wrote entitled “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.” But now, the same adviser who claimed Romney’s extreme views wouldn’t matter in the general election because it will be “almost like an Etch a Sketch” is doing some serious Etch a Sketch-shaking of his own.
Romney strongly opposed the “bailout” of General Motors, writing: “If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.” He doubled down on that in February, saying that his “managed bankruptcy” proposals would have been vastly superior to the Obama administration’s “crony capitalism plan.” Now that the federal intervention by the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations has proven a huge success, the Romney campaign is trying desperately to change its tune.
On Saturday, Romney’s senior adviser Eric Fehrnstrom said:
[Romney's] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed. I know it infuriates them to hear that… The only economic success that President Obama has had is because he followed Mitt Romney’s advice. … The fact that the auto companies today are profitable is because they’ve shed costs. The reason they shed those costs and have got their employee labor contracts less expensive is because they went through that managed bankruptcy process. It is exactly what Mitt Romney told them to do.
Fehrnstrom has made the same claim before. “Mitt Romney had the idea first,” he said last May. “Mitt Romney argued that instead of a bailout, we should let the car companies go through a restructuring under the bankruptcy laws.” This, of course, flatly contradicts Romney’s February editorial, in which he wrote of Obama’s efforts: “I believe that without his intervention things there would be better.”
As industry experts have noted, however, exactly following Romney’s plan would have led to the collapse of the auto industry, since the private sector wasn’t willing to lend GM and Chrysler the money they needed to get to managed bankruptcy. “There was no one that was willing to come up not only with the cash to keep them afloat but also to serve the warranties of everyone, you and I that drive all these cars,” Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI), a Romney endorser, said in February. “There was no one that could have picked up those pieces other than the federal government.”"

Romney Adviser Now Claims GM Bailout Was Romney's Idea | ThinkProgress

Romney's argument was more complex. It was as follows:

1. A bailout would allow the industry to avoid painful changes to its cost structure.
2. Without a bailout, the industry would be forced to address its uncompetitive cost structure.
3. A managed bankruptcy would probably offer the best path.

From his op-ed:

Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course — the suicidal course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check...

A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html

Romney was right about the need for restructuring and a managed bankruptcy. What Romney missed was making a managed bankruptcy and restructuring requirements for obtaining the government financing. That's what ultimately happened. Hence, a more accurate assessment would be that Romney opposed an unconditional government bailout, but supported the restructuring and managed bankruptcy elements of what took place. Of course, that assessment cannot be expressed in a soundbite given its greater complexity.
 
Romney is being fundamentally dishonest (he's a huge liar) on this issue. His response during the debates was that he supported a managed bankruptcy, but he thought it should be done privately. But he has GOT to know that there was absolutely no chance of that happening in 2009 when companies were having a hard time getting loans to make payroll, let alone fund a $100 billion reorganization. Given Romney's private equity background, it is inconceivable that he actually believes this was a possibility. This guy is a straight-up con man. I wouldn't buy a used car from him, let alone a BS story about the bailouts.

Mitt Romney Criticizes Auto Bailout | Video - ABC News
 
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