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From 'Hope' to Hypocrisy: The Senator Who Became A Sellout

Trinnity

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Okay. Let's discuss Obama's credibility.
Do you think he's lived up to the things he promised, and is this viddy fair or a hatchet job?

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What about this one:



What's your opinion about why he fell short of these promises?
 
Trinnity said:
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What about this one:



What's your opinion about why he fell short of these promises?
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He's a politician. He had his chance, next.
 
It is very disappointing to have a man come along and win the presidency on such in-your-face promises of transparency and ethics and turn out be be worse than all others before him. I call that a con artist.
 
Trinnity said:
It is very disappointing to have a man come along and win the presidency on such in-your-face promises of transparency and ethics and turn out be be worse than all others before him. I call that a con artist.
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Well as P.T. Barnum said " No one ever went broke underestimating the American public".
 
Trinnity said:
It is very disappointing to have a man come along and win the presidency on such in-your-face promises of transparency and ethics and turn out be be worse than all others before him. I call that a con artist.
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whats worse ishe has done practically everything bush has,yet the left still blames bush but ignores obama for doing the same thing.apparently having a d next to your name means you cant do wrong to dems,and an r means you cantdo wrong for repubs.

a screwupis a screwup,bush has been gone for almost 4 years yet hes still getting blamed for things happening today,i almost swear bush must have a time machine put a gun to obamas head and said do my bidding,because obviously obama cant lie and obama cant be blamed for whats happeningtoday.
 
I would agree that he hasn't kept those promises 100%, but he is still better in both respects than his predecessors, and certainly better than the GOP leadership.

Factcheck.org rates 13% of Obama's promises as broken.
 
AdamT said:
I would agree that he hasn't kept those promises 100%, but he is still better in both respects than his predecessors, and certainly better than the GOP leadership.

Factcheck.org rates 13% of Obama's promises as broken.
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here let me ask what broke another dp member,prove your claims with evidence!!!!
 
beerftw said:
whats worse ishe has done practically everything bush has,yet the left still blames bush but ignores obama for doing the same thing.apparently having a d next to your name means you cant do wrong to dems,and an r means you cantdo wrong for repubs.

a screwupis a screwup,bush has been gone for almost 4 years yet hes still getting blamed for things happening today,i almost swear bush must have a time machine put a gun to obamas head and said do my bidding,because obviously obama cant lie and obama cant be blamed for whats happeningtoday.
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Bush wasn't a Marxist. That's a big diffrence to me.
Progressives are just Marxists, and Obama is blowing up govt control with EOs, regulations, and other extra-constitutional measures. He's dangerous.
I stand by that.
 
Trinnity said:
Bush wasn't a Marxist. That's a big diffrence to me.
Progressives are just Marxists, and Obama is blowing up govt control with EOs, regulations, and other extra-constitutional measures. He's dangerous.
I stand by that.
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actually bush wasnt a marxist,neither was obama.obama campaigned on being to the left but proved to be center right after winning election.both obama and bush used slaughtered keynesian/supply side economics,everyone blamed bush for supply side,but he never actually implemented it.obama is literally bush 3 and romney aims to be bush 4.

ever notice we are told everything will fail unless we elect the same groupof people who destroyed this country?and the people who oppose the destructive policies are called nutjobs?
 
beerftw said:
here let me ask what broke another dp member,prove your claims with evidence!!!!
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Too late to go fully into it, but take his pledge to end the revolving door of staff to lobbyists as an example. In fact he did sign an executive order prohibiting anyone on staff from lobbying on a matter they worked on for two years. However, he has granted several waivers. Several. In contrast, Bush had no policy on former administration officials becoming lobbyists and it was a common occurrence. For example:

Fifteen officials in President George W. Bush’s Cabinet have accepted lucrative positions in companies that lobby the same agencies the officials formerly headed, according to a report from a government watchdog group.



The “Revolving Door,” by the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, examines the practice of federal officials leaving office to work for companies that lobby the federal government, including, in many cases, the former officials’ agencies. Under federal law, that practice is legal if the officials observe a waiting period after leaving office.



“It may be legal, but it is certainly not honorable,” Melanie Sloan, executive director of the watchdog group, said.



The group did a six-month investigation of the careers of 24 Cabinet-level Bush appointees who have left office. Of those, 15 now hold jobs in companies that lobby the former officials’ federal agencies.



Officials who are now employed by companies lobbying their former agencies include:
Former Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham.

Former Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Former Commerce Secretary Don Evans.

Former Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta.

Former Interior Secretary Gale Norton.

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill.

Former Education Secretary Rod Paige.

Former U.S. Trade Representative Rob Portman.

Former Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi.

Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge.

Former Treasury Secretary John Snow.

Former Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson.

Former EPA Administrator Christine Todd Whitman.

Former U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick.

Source: FCW (Bush appointees linked with company lobbying, report says -- Federal Computer Week)
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lpast said:
Not taking sides...just posting the page :)


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
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really dontmind if you take sides,im worries about adamt lying or ignoring99% of evidence that opposes his view or him ignoring questions and changing subjects hoping no one will notice.

he is far beyond me accapting his word,as he has proven his own word to be unreliable.
 
AdamT said:
Too late to go fully into it, but take his pledge to end the revolving door of staff to lobbyists as an example. In fact he did sign an executive order prohibiting anyone on staff from lobbying on a matter they worked on for two years. However, he has granted several waivers. Several. In contrast, Bush had no policy on former administration officials becoming lobbyists and it was a common occurrence. For example:
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one ive never heard of fcw and dont know why you submitted a blog from the most unknown corners of the web to back your claims,two obama is incharge of appointing people,obviously again obama wasnt responsible,bush must have went to the white house and put a gun to obamas head and tolf him who to choose,after all democrats cant make bad decisions.

oh wait they can i think you are one of the very few who would deny mistakes,after all any smart democrat learnes from them,you just prefer to ignore them.
 
btw adamt lpast proved your pint better than you did,so much for the beleif liberals are educated
 
beerftw said:
one ive never heard of fcw and dont know why you submitted a blog from the most unknown corners of the web to back your claims,two obama is incharge of appointing people,obviously again obama wasnt responsible,bush must have went to the white house and put a gun to obamas head and tolf him who to choose,after all democrats cant make bad decisions.

oh wait they can i think you are one of the very few who would deny mistakes,after all any smart democrat learnes from them,you just prefer to ignore them.
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Ad hominem is your only response? If you want other sources just Google "Bush revolving door" and you'll get a warehouse full. As it stands, the link I provided referenced a 108-page report that was assembled by a nonpartisan group after a six-month investigation. Doesn't get much better than that. :lol:

The point is that, while Obama didn't keep his promise, which was absolute, he does have a much stricter policy than any previous president.
 
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beerftw said:
btw adamt lpast proved your pint better than you did,so much for the beleif liberals are educated
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I think you've had one too many pints again. :lol:
 
AdamT said:
I think you've had one too many pints again. :lol:
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ohh distracting from the argument at hand again,the sure sign of a debate loser:lamo
 
Trinnity said:
It is very disappointing to have a man come along and win the presidency on such in-your-face promises of transparency and ethics and turn out be be worse than all others before him. I call that a con artist.
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GW Bush promised to end foreign entanglements and defend this country from threats, foreign or domestic. He failed miserably at both. Does that count?
 
AdamT said:
Ad hominem is your only response? If you want other sources just Google "Bush revolving door" and you'll get a warehouse full. As it stands, the link I provided referenced a 108-page report that was assembled by a nonpartisan group after a six-month investigation. Doesn't get much better than that. :lol:

The point is that, while Obama didn't keep his promise, which was absolute, he does have a much stricter policy than any previous president.
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since i asked for proof,and you didnt supply any yet your enemy could,call ad hominem all ytou want but you still failed badly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
beerftw said:
since i asked for proof,and you didnt supply any yet your enemy could,call ad hominem all ytou want but you still failed badly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Of course I provided proof -- what a stupid remark. The fact that you aren't familiar with the website doesn't make it go away.

Here's the full report for your viewing pleasure: http://crew.3cdn.net/1db843718657ad3886_erm6bkqvo.pdf

And here are the key findings:

KEY FINDINGS
17 former cabinet officials hold positions with a total of 119 companies.

17 former officials hold positions with 65 companies that lobby the federal government.

15 former officials hold positions with 40 companies that lobby those officials’ former agencies.

9 former cabinet members hold positions with 15 companies that began or resumed lobbying the former
officials’ agencies after those officials joined the companies.

The most prodigious corporate advisor appears to be former Secretary of the Department of Health and
Human Services Tommy Thompson, who has worked for 42 different companies since leaving the Bush
administration.

Five former officials founded lobbying firms. Combined, these firms have represented at least 48 clients.

Ten former cabinet officials work with 39 different non-profit organizations.

Since leaving the government, five have written or are reportedly in the process of writing books.

Three former officials were elected to office.
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AdamT said:
Of course I provided proof -- what a stupid remark. The fact that you aren't familiar with the website doesn't make it go away.

Here's the full report for your viewing pleasure: http://crew.3cdn.net/1db843718657ad3886_erm6bkqvo.pdf
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im sorry that link wasnt found anywhere on this entire thread,once again you both failed and lied.

coming in saying you posted proof when you clearlky didnt not noticing that this thread is 3 pages shows you havce such a lack of knowledge and minimum respect for even the dumbest mebers of this forum,it took 12 seconds to notice you reported something you claimed to have already shown but clearly didnt.


adamt you lie and fail once again.
 
AdamT said:
Too late to go fully into it, but take his pledge to end the revolving door of staff to lobbyists as an example. In fact he did sign an executive order prohibiting anyone on staff from lobbying on a matter they worked on for two years. However, he has granted several waivers. Several. In contrast, Bush had no policy on former administration officials becoming lobbyists and it was a common occurrence. For example:
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Your report is dated 2009. It lists 15 appointees working as lobbyists at that time but they were from Bush's first administration. It doesn't say when they started as lobbyists but only Portman worked for Bush in 2007. Norton, Snow and Zoelick were out by July of 2006 and every one else was out by February of 2005. Obama signed a 2 year Executive Order and has made exceptions so it doesn't appear his policy is any different than Bush's.
 
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beerftw said:
since i asked for proof,and you didnt supply any yet your enemy could,call ad hominem all ytou want but you still failed badly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There was a direct link to the report on the page I originally cited. :roll:

Pathetic. :lol:
 
Trinnity said:
It is very disappointing to have a man come along and win the presidency on such in-your-face promises of transparency and ethics and turn out be be worse than all others before him. I call that a con artist.
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Fortunately we have had so many republicans who walk the walk. Honestly, you righties believe your own bull**** so easily. Keep em Shecky.
 
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