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The next president needs to have a strong stance against Christian Terrorists.

1000 years from now people are going to say the same things about American soldiers as you all say about the Crusaders.

So be ahead of the curve, spit on an American soldier today, do the world a favor.

Yeah, dude. I'll do that. I'll go piss on the guys who sacrifice their lives and sanity so you can maintain the right to treat them like ****. Let me just get right on that.
 
Why dont we just take a stand against all terrorists, no matter the details?

Many reasons, one of the more obvious ones being that the U.S. is itself a major global terrorist power and engages in it regularly, local and state law enforcement frequently engage in it, etc.

Every government I can think of, when promoting its supposed antiterrorism measures, has a consistent pattern of exempting its own terrorism.
 
The emergence of “Christian” terrorism in the U.S. or in Europe, or anyplace else, doesn't do anything to diminish or in anyway simplify the problem of Islam - such as its repression of women, its hostility toward free speech, and its all-too-facile and frequent resort to threats and violence. In the opinion of many...Islam remains the most retrograde and ill-behaved religion on earth.

Please add "extremists or terrorists" after the word "Islam" if it makes you feel better - or offers a sense of being a less bigoted opinion.

Seems to me that we need to examine our priorities related to so-called terrorism - that has the most potential ill-effects on our nation - when resorting to defining characterizations of unfriendly factions.

Dunno...what say ye?
 
I think they should adopt this stance.

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So abortion clinic bombers, Mormons and Catholics (Prop 8, anyone?) aren't Christian? Pat Robertson and the 700 Club crowd aren't Christian? The rash of theocratic assaults upon women's rights isn't heavily (if not primarily) motivated by the dogmas of various Christian groups?

Do MOST followers of and within such groups engage in organized violence? No. Do they support, fund, and brainwash themselves and each other and their children into accepting, if not celebrating, the bigotry and rationalizations later used by extremists among them? Many of them do.

Moderate craziness and polite variants of theocracy enable and embolden the bona fide crazies. Were it not for using the less-crazy for cover, the outright fringe folks would typically not get off the ground.

While religion per se is not automatically a guaranteed training ground for lethal extremists, it's not automatically benign either. Christians have definitely NOT earned a free pass. They should be scrutinized based upon their conduct like anyone else.

You forgot to mention the IRA, Real IRA, UDF, UDA, LVF, INLA and others in Northern Ireland. National Liberation Front of Tripura, Manmasi National Christian Army, Lord's Resistance Army, Ku Klux Klan, The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, The Lambs of Christ, Concerned Christians, Hutaree, Army of God and the Montana Freemen (even though a lot of them are in prison).
 
I think we need to look at the bomb in Wisconsin at the Planned Parenthood office and the murder of Dr. Tiller at his church for what they are - TERRORISM.
 
The Hutaree militia was a Christian extremist group in Michigan who planned to pursue terrorist bombings on law enforcement.

The charges of terrorism made against them were dismissed based on free speech rights.

Even though there was an uproar for a Muslim mosque to build a religious center near the World Trade Center ruins.

And those two things relate....how? Other than being religion.

OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder....and Greg Williams ran a bounty scheme. They must be related, they're both concerning football. Or something....

I'm seriously not seeing what you're getting at Samsmart. Notice that Tessa did not say "aren't christian", but stated are largely not Christian. So pointing out that there was a small group of nine people arrested in Michigan doesn't necessarily disagree with that statement.

Additionally, the mosque situation was an entirely different one. In that case the issue was not, by and large, some conspiracy to perform illegal actions but largely a belief that it was disrespectful and/or meant to be a sign actually celebrating what had happened. While an argument can definitely be made that the outrage over it was misplaced, comparing it to the Hutaree is rather off base. Not to mention that part of the large reason the issue came about was due to the highly emotional aspect surrounding the nature of 9/11. Mosque's are erected all over the United States, rarely if ever with any kind of national uproar. The uproar for this was largely tied to its relationship to the entire context of 9/11...something not present what so ever in Michigan. 9/11 was a national story, and thus something relating to it has a larger chance inherently to go national then a relatively local issue in Michigan.

Finally, your rather flippant explanation of the Hutaree, stating it was simply based on "free speech rights", causes questions to arise in terms of your intent. That's an extremely narrow and completely shrunken way of explaining a much larger and more diverse case. The issue was not simply that it was "free speech", but specifically that the "conspiracy" was not presented to have advanced anywhere beyond simply conversation. No actions, based on the judgement of the individual presiding over the case, seemed to suggest that there was any movement forward with the talk to indicate some kind of legitimate agreement to engage in the acts that were talked about. This was as much an issue with the difficulty of the government proving conspiracy when there has not been much forward action yet as it is simply about "free speech". I also somewhat wonder how much the ruling was possibly a judge having issue with the law as it states and taking action against it, something that seems not THAT uncommon, in terms of describing IED's as "weapons of mass destruction" (heh, interesting and admittedly slightly partisanly humorous aside; under the interpretation that the Obama justice department uses, Iraq did have WMD's and Iran does as well).

So really, you're entire post is just somewhat baffling in regards to its purpose, meaning, and intent.
 
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So...we have strike three. How about believing what's written in your article rather than the biased authors' interpretation of the event.

Your Article said:
"Home-grown and lone-wolf extremists pose an equally serious threat," the Federal Bureau of Investigation director said, citing the shootings at the sprawling Fort Hood army base in Texas.

Note that it states "equally" serious, not MORE serious as you suggested.

Second part of your failure, it talks about DOMESTIC terrorists being "equally serious" not "Christian Extremists". Indeed, the ENTIRE thing mentions Christians or Christian groups ONCE and that one time was the WRITER mentioning it, not the FBI.

Strike three.

Still waiting for you to back up your bogus claim or admit it's wrong. It's okay to admit a mistake, we all do it when we make them, just own up to it.
 
Is Billa a sock or something?
 
Those saying we need to focus on terrorists in general, I absolutely agree. Islamic inspired, Christian inspired, anti-war inspired, environmentalist inspired, militia movement inspired, and on and on. We do definitely need to look at all of them. However, we also need to look somewhat realistically right now. While the sum of the domestic terrorist entities...as DHS and the FBI has said...are definitely on equal footing with the notion of islamic terrorism due to the wide ranging, internal nature of them, there still has yet to be a singular terrorist organization that has demonstrated repeatedly the ability to significantly target American assets both domestically and abroad, nor the capability to continually make such attempts. While the entire sum of the domestic parts is on equal footing, I think it's fool hearty to suggest there's a singular terrorist entity out there that poses on its own similar threat to Al-Qaeda and it's off shoots. That doesn't mean to focus all our actions on that, but what it does mean is that the various types of law enforcement and intelligence agencies we have in this country have different TYPES of terrorists and terrorist activities that fits its line of business better than others.

No, we don't need to focus on "Christian terrorists". We don't need to focus just on "islamic" terrorists. As a whole for the government, we need to worry about "terrorists". However, in terms of our national security and intelligence branches, rather than some of the more law enforcement focused branches, the international AND internal presence and the heightened NATIONAL security thread posed by Islamic terrorists currently is understandably something that is being more focused upon. I don't believe this is, nor should be, because of some need specifically to focus on Islamic Terrorists but rather due to the fact that the intelligence that we have at this point indicates them as the largest singular external/internal threat towards national security on an actual national or federal type level.
 
We've seen what happened in Norway with these Christian terrorists. Anders Behring Breivik planted a bomb and went on a shooting rampage killing 77 people. He said he would do it again against non-Christians and other cultures. We really need a President that profiles these white extremist Christians and stops them committing these terrible acts like they do with the Muslims. The last thing I want is supporters of this guy in my city.

Trolling both sides???
 
Those saying we need to focus on terrorists in general, I absolutely agree. Islamic inspired, Christian inspired, anti-war inspired, environmentalist inspired, militia movement inspired, and on and on. We do definitely need to look at all of them.

Focus on the tactics?

However, we also need to look somewhat realistically right now. While the sum of the domestic terrorist entities...as DHS and the FBI has said...are definitely on equal footing with the notion of islamic terrorism due to the wide ranging, internal nature of them, there still has yet to be a singular terrorist organization that has demonstrated repeatedly the ability to significantly target American assets both domestically and abroad, nor the capability to continually make such attempts. While the entire sum of the domestic parts is on equal footing, I think it's fool hearty to suggest there's a singular terrorist entity out there that poses on its own similar threat to Al-Qaeda and it's off shoots. That doesn't mean to focus all our actions on that, but what it does mean is that the various types of law enforcement and intelligence agencies we have in this country have different TYPES of terrorists and terrorist activities that fits its line of business better than others.

No, we don't need to focus on "Christian terrorists". We don't need to focus just on "islamic" terrorists. As a whole for the government, we need to worry about "terrorists". However, in terms of our national security and intelligence branches, rather than some of the more law enforcement focused branches, the international AND internal presence and the heightened NATIONAL security thread posed by Islamic terrorists currently is understandably something that is being more focused upon. I don't believe this is, nor should be, because of some need specifically to focus on Islamic Terrorists but rather due to the fact that the intelligence that we have at this point indicates them as the largest singular external/internal threat towards national security on an actual national or federal type level.

Terrorism is a tactic, not a strategy. I guess if you want to focus on tactics and ignore strategy, if you don't ever want to win anything.
 
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