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The next president needs to have a strong stance against Christian Terrorists.


Again:

1. Does not suggest that "Christian terrorism" is viewed as a "bigger problem" than "Islamic Terrorism"
2. Does not specifically talk about "Christian Terrorism". On the contrary, it never even mentions it

Again, jesus christ. Why even keep posting these links if you're apparently not even reading them?
 
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: 'by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.'
straight from the mein kampf


Hitler was a pagen.
 
your link does not back up your claim....

again, your claim was ....



just admit it was a false claim and move on about your day.

Yeah, what you said. Seriously, I thought reading comprehension was something they taught early in life....
 
Hitler was a pagen.

Not according to this guy

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I agree. All potential blower uppers should be looked at, regardless of political or religious creed.

There's no way to look at all blower uppers. Any military, or law enforcement agency is going to prioritize threats by severity. Currently, Islamic terrorists represent the larger threat.
 
There's no way to look at all blower uppers. Any military, or law enforcement agency is going to prioritize threats by severity. Currently, Islamic terrorists represent the larger threat.

Black males commit violent crime at a more frequent rate than everyone else. Black males represent a more dangerous demographic than any other group. Therefore, let's only focus on black guys and stop worrying bout everyone else.

See how that works? Profiling is only effective through observing behavior. Not making prior judgments based on the individuals race, religion, politics, or creed.

In this country, we do have task forces specifically dedicated to fundamentalist Islamic terrorists, but I'm sure the FBI also keeps an eye on guys like the Hutaree. There are threats everywhere.
 
Colmes, I had a feeling you would chime in to help the other side.

You made a claim that you failed to substantiate. This is about you making a fool of yourself and not being able to back up your argument, not about me.
 
Not according to this guy

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He was, according to this guy.

"Immediate and unconditional abolition of all religions after the final victory ('Endsieg') not only for the territory of Greater Germany but also for all released, occupied and annexed countries ..., proclaiming at the same time Hitler as the new messiah. Out of political considerations the Muslim, Buddhist and Shintoist religion will be spared for the present. The 'Führer' has to be presented as an intermediate between a redeemer and a liberator, yet surely as one sent by God, who has to get godly honour. The existing churches, chapels, temples and cult places of the different religions have to be changed into 'Adolf-Hitler-consecration places'. The theological faculties of the universities have to be transformed into the new faith. Special emphasis has to be laid on the education of missionaries and wandering preachers, who have to proclaim the teaching in Greater Germany and in the rest of the world and have to form religious bodies, which can be used as centres for further extension. (With this the problems with the abolition of monogamy will disappear, because polygamy can be included into the new teaching as one of the statements of faith.)" --Adolf Hitler
 
Black males commit violent crime at a more frequent rate than everyone else. Black males represent a more dangerous demographic than any other group. Therefore, let's only focus on black guys and stop worrying bout everyone else.

See how that works? Profiling is only effective through observing behavior. Not making prior judgments based on the individuals race, religion, politics, or creed.

In this country, we do have task forces specifically dedicated to fundamentalist Islamic terrorists, but I'm sure the FBI also keeps an eye on guys like the Hutaree. There are threats everywhere.

At no point has anyone suggested that we, "stop looking at everyone else". The point is, some groups are going to receive more attention than others.

Don't confuse law enforcement issues with national security issues.
 
There is a fundamental difference between religion-influenced terrorist groups and one-man mental breaks who use religion as justification for killing. A group poses a larger threat than one person.

During the crusades I'd say yeah, let's go after crazy christian groups. In todays day and age most Christian crazies are isolated. The groups that use religion as a force for hate and death are not, largely, Christian.

The Hutaree militia was a Christian extremist group in Michigan who planned to pursue terrorist bombings on law enforcement.

The charges of terrorism made against them were dismissed based on free speech rights.

Even though there was an uproar for a Muslim mosque to build a religious center near the World Trade Center ruins.
 
At no point has anyone suggested that we, "stop looking at everyone else". The point is, some groups are going to receive more attention than others.

Don't confuse law enforcement issues with national security issues.

Yes, the ones that tend to be more of a threat will be looked at. But it makes no sense to prioritize based on religion, but rather on the THREAT posed by each individual group.
 
Idiotic theocratic extremists will be idiotic theocratic extremists. There is nothing anyone can do about it.
 
A Christian extremist and a Christian terrorist are completely different. The OP mistakenly uses them interchangeably. A Christian extremist would label the term Christian terrorist as an oxymoron.
 

The entirety of your "proof"

The warning, from the FBI Director, Robert Mueller, came as the former President Clinton drew parallels between the Oklahoma City tragedy and a recent upsurge in anti-government rhetoric.




Fifteen years after the Oklahoma City bombing, the specter of domestic terrorism has returned to haunt the Obama administration, with a warning from the FBI that “home-grown and lone-wolf extremists” now represent as serious a threat as Al Qaeda and its affiliates, The Times reported on Saturday.

The warning, from the FBI Director, Robert Mueller, came as the former President Clinton drew parallels between the Oklahoma City tragedy and a recent upsurge in anti-government rhetoric, while American television audiences heard Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, describe the “absolute rage” that drove him to plan an attack that killed 168 men, women and children.

An FBI spokesman said Friday that Mueller was referring to right-wing extremist groups and anti-government militias, as well as American Islamists, in his testimony to the Senate committee that must approve the FBI’s $8.3 billion budget.

Last month federal agents arrested nine members of a Christian militia based in Michigan, calling itself the Hutaree. They have been charged with plotting to murder local police with a stash of guns, knives and grenades.

Since the passage of President Obama’s health reforms, the FBI has also made arrests in Seattle and San Francisco after death threats were sent to Democratic senators.

“It’s one thing to express dissatisfaction with the Government but once you cross the line with a violent threat, that’s a violation that we take extremely seriously,” Bill Carter, the bureau’s spokesman, said.

The Oklahoma bombing was followed by an exhaustive civilian trial in which McVeigh became a hate figure to most but a hero to some members of the survivalist fringe on which he was radicalized.

He was executed in 2001, but not before granting 45 hours of death-row interviews to the authors of a book, American Terrorist, whose tapes will be broadcast for the first time on Monday.

McVeigh never confessed to the bombing in court but he appears to do so on the tapes.

“I feel no shame for it,” he says. “This was something that I saw as a larger good, and I know that, as I analyzed the history of not just the U.S., but all nations throughout the history of mankind. People have killed for what they believed was the greater good, and it’s accepted. Sometimes killing is accepted.”

The White House was careful to emphasize that the threat of external terrorism remained acute but senior officials are privately confident that military operations in Afghanistan are going well and putting Al Qaeda on the back foot.

Few people in Washington are as confident about the domestic threat.

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Home-grown, solo terrorists as bad as Al-Qaeda: FBI chief



Al-Qaeda still aims to strike inside the United States but home-grown or unaffiliated extremists now "pose an equally serious threat," FBI chief Robert Mueller warned US lawmakers Thursday.

"Al-Qaeda and its affiliates are still committed to striking us in the United States," Mueller told a Senate Appropriations Subcommittee, pointing to plots to bomb New York City subways and the failed Christmas airline attack.

"Home-grown and lone-wolf extremists pose an equally serious threat," the Federal Bureau of Investigation director said, citing the shootings at the sprawling Fort Hood army base in Texas.

Experts have warned that a "lone wolf" -- an extremist acting alone, without connections to an established network like Al-Qaeda -- may be the most difficult threat for authorities to thwart.

"We have also seen US-born extremists plotting to commit terrorism overseas," such as Mumbai attacks planner David Headley, the US-born son of a former Pakistani diplomat and American woman, said Mueller.

"These terrorist threats are diverse, far-reaching and ever-changing, and to combat these threats, the FBI must sustain our overseas contingency operations and engage our intelligence and law enforcement partners both here at home and abroad," he said.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano noted a rise in US citizens seeking to carry out acts of home-grown terrorism over the past 15 months, since she took the cabinet position in early 2009.

Individuals that have been radicalized enough to travel oversees to learn "the tradecraft of a terrorist and then return," or even learn at home on the Internet, are a focus of her department, working with local law enforcement to spot the threats, she told a luncheon at the National Press Club in Washington.

The key question, she said, surrounds "when someone is moving from First Amendment (freedom of speech) activity -- plain old angry rhetoric, which we have had in this country since we began -- to actually playing a violent act."

The proper "exchange of threat information," between national and local agencies, enables authorities to minimize the risk of attacks from materializing, she said

I think you are blowing smoke. This is very much not proof.
 
You people are going to milk this tragedy dry aren't you?

Thank God you scream when ignorant conservatives highlight "Muslim" terrorism :roll:

It just goes to show that all hyper-partisans are basically the same, they are just on different sides of the fence.
 
You people are going to milk this tragedy dry aren't you?

Thank God you scream when ignorant conservatives highlight "Muslim" terrorism :roll:

It just goes to show that all hyper-partisans are basically the same, they are just on different sides of the fence.

I don't keep tabs over who-says-what: but it's been my belief that we generalize too much - in general - and should do so much less . . . I agree with what Deuce said.
 
Black males commit violent crime at a more frequent rate than everyone else.

Actually, "black" males are *CONVICTED* of committing violent crimes more frequently than everyone else. Big difference. But your general point on profiling is of course spot-on.
 
There is a fundamental difference between religion-influenced terrorist groups and one-man mental breaks who use religion as justification for killing. A group poses a larger threat than one person.

During the crusades I'd say yeah, let's go after crazy christian groups. In todays day and age most Christian crazies are isolated. The groups that use religion as a force for hate and death are not, largely, Christian.

1000 years from now people are going to say the same things about American soldiers as you all say about the Crusaders.

So be ahead of the curve, spit on an American soldier today, do the world a favor.
 
Why dont we just take a stand against all terrorists, no matter the details?
 
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