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Mitt Romney warns NRA against an 'unrestrained' second-term Obama

TurtleDude said:
oh here is Kleck (let me guess Adam T will complain since its reprinted on guncite though it came from another journal)

Risks and Benefits of Keeping a Gun in the Home...[Fulltext, Aug 5 JAMA. 1998;280:473-475] (c) AMA 1998



Defensive uses of guns are both effective in preventing injury and more common than aggressive uses, in the home or outside it. The average American household is unlikely to experience a serious gun victimization or to use a gun defensively, but the latter is far more likely than the former. In light of the flaws and weak associations of case-control research, currently available data do not provide a sound empirical basis for recommending to the average American that he or she not keep a gun in the home.
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Okay, so there is one credible cite -- though I would argue less credible than the Harvard/Hemenway study.
 
TurtleDude said:
BTW what proof do you have about Kellerman? He has been thrashed for years Highly respected? not in this area
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Who is Arthur Kellerman?

Dr. Arthur L. Kellermann, M.D., M.P.H., F.A.C.E.P. (born 1955) was recently named the Director of RAND Health. He was the founding chairman of the department of Emergency Medicine at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, and founding director of the Center for Injury Control at Rollins School of Public Health, a collaborating center for injury and violence prevention of the World Health Organization. His writings include more than 200 scientific and lay publications on various aspects of emergency cardiac care, health services research, injury prevention and the role of emergency departments in the provision of health care to the poor.[1][2][3]

Kellermann co-chaired the Committee on the Consequences of Uninsurance of the Institute of Medicine of the United States National Academies, of which he is an elected member. Kellermann holds career achievement awards for excellence in science from the Society for Academic Emergency Medicine, and the Injury Control and Emergency Health Services Section of the American Public Health Association.[1] As a 2006-2007 Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Health Policy Fellow, he joined the Professional Staff of the United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform in Washington, D.C. In 2007 he was presented with the John G. Wiegenstein Leadership Award by the American College of Emergency Physicians, their highest award.[2][4]

Kellermann is well known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm related injuries and deaths. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann saw firearm and other injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priorities: "I grew up around guns. My dad taught me how to shoot when I was eleven or twelve years old. Firearms are fascinating pieces of equipment. I enjoy the sport of shooting, although I rarely shoot anymore. However, as a clinician, as someone who is committed to emergency medicine, it is equally evident to me that firearm violence is wreaking havoc on public health."[5]

Arthur Kellermann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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dont want to jump in yalls discussion,but ill throw something out there,obama most likely wouldnt enact gun restrictions for one simple reason,hes trying to get re elected.for obama it would make sense not to enact them until he has hit his second term,for romney t would be the same,romney wouldnt enact or push any legislation for guns if he gets elected until he can pull a second term,this is how politics goes.

why would any politician enact anything and effectively put one foot in the grave right before an election when after the second election it is simply do as they please,because the only way to stop him is impeachment at such a point.
 
AdamT said:
Okay, so there is one credible cite -- though I would argue less credible than the Harvard/Hemenway study.
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of course you would because you don't like it. But what you miss since you don't understand this issue is that KLECK STARTED HIS INQUIRY as an ANTI GUNNER and the evidence led him to a PRO GUN PERSPECTIVE while the people you start were funded by anti gun groups and started with the premise that guns are bad
 
AdamT said:
Who is Arthur Kellerman?
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nothing there suggests any particular expertise in criminology.

hiring a doctor to do studies on criminal activity and gun laws is about as smart as hiring a cop to diagnose your heart condition.

He has no expertise in gun laws and crime control. His studies have been destroyed for years


You probably were enamored with that other idiot who claimed that guns were not common in the colonial USA-you probably would have brayed the guy won the bancroft award for historical research for that book that claimed that


BTW the prize was revoked
Michael A. Bellesiles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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TurtleDude said:
nothing there suggests any particular expertise in criminology.

hiring a doctor to do studies on criminal activity and gun laws is about as smart as hiring a cop to diagnose your heart condition.

He has no expertise in gun laws and crime control. His studies have been destroyed for years


You probably were enamored with that other idiot who claimed that guns were not common in the colonial USA-you probably would have brayed the guy won the bancroft award for historical research for that book that claimed that


BTW the prize was revoked
Michael A. Bellesiles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Kellerman never claimed to be an expert on gun laws, nor do gun laws have the slightest thing to do with his research. What's relevant is that he's a distinguished scientist with 200+ publications to his name.
 
AdamT said:
Kellerman never claimed to be an expert on gun laws, nor do gun laws have the slightest thing to do with his research. What's relevant is that he's a distinguished scientist with 200+ publications to his name.
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who used shoddy methodology and came to bogus conclusions in his most cited study

In other words, his relevance to this thread is that of an assclown
 
joko104 said:
Obviously Obama is extremely anti-gun-rights and will use the Justice Department to enforce this - as we see in regards to Zimmerman.
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Yeah.... sure .... whatever...... and as proof we can see all the tens of millions of gun owners who were stripped of their weapons during his first forty months in office. :roll::shock:
 
haymarket said:
Yeah.... sure .... whatever...... and as proof we can see all the tens of millions of gun owners who were stripped of their weapons during his first forty months in office. :roll::shock:
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Just curious, when Heller and McDonald are further refined by the supremes how do you think Kagan and Sotomayor will rule? We already know how Sotomayor ruled in McDonald-against gun rights.
 
TurtleDude said:
same reason why scalia was confirmed 98-0. People used to believe that if someone was qualified it was the president's call.
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People also believe that the senate must approve of the president choice before the president's choice can be supreme court judge, not blindly give a thumbs up. 3 republicans apparently didn't feel that RBG wasn't qualified and the one democrat was too chicken **** to vote.

RBG was qualified, so was Breyer.
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Someone who cites foreign laws, loathes the constitution, and blatantly misinterprets the constitution is not qualified.

You don't know much about the process. The president rarely knows who the top leading constitutional scholars are that are available. For example, WH Counsel Peter Keisler and Lee Liberman were the ones who helped Bush I pick his USSC nominees. Ted Olson had a great deal of input into the selection of Roberts and Alitol When Bush tried to pick one on his own, it was a disaster
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I am sure Bush could have had other people help him pick.It still doesn't change the fact that a liberal president will pick liberal judges and a conservative one will pick conservative judges. Romney is not going to ignore every liberal bone in his body and pick conservative judges.
 
TurtleDude said:
who used shoddy methodology and came to bogus conclusions in his most cited study

In other words, his relevance to this thread is that of an assclown
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No, not really, although some have cited his study for the wrong reasons.
 
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