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Forbes to Newsmax: An Obama Win Will Lead to New Recession

Dude, seriously, you tried to imply that Obama was a socialist because a couple people who call themselves socialists like him. You have no room, at all, to talk about any one making a lame point. Yours was beyond moronic.

Riddle me this:

What kind of Socialist sets up free market insurance exchanges where private insurers provide private healthcare at private hospitals via private doctors?
What kind of Socialist attempts to make ACTUAL Socialized medicine less of a burden upon the taxpayer and more reliant upon user fees?

Amusingly the GOP is against...BOTH!
 
that is also a stupid post

no one on this board claims to be a klanner and in normal circles membership in the Klan is a stigma. In many elitist circles being a socialist is considered a positive and we have numerous politicians who have adopted the term "democratic socialist" and Bernie Sanders is a proud socialist and a member of the senate. Furthermore racism has as many adherents among the left as the right

so your silly attempt fails completely

Indeed.

What Red should've done is said Fascists support the Republicans/Attack Democrats.

Since there's about as many self admiitted Fascists on this board that speak positively about Republicans / Attack Democrats as ther are Socialists who speak postively about Democrats / Attack Republicans.

So really....

Its interesting that some on the right spend so much time claiming Republicans aren't an incremental fascist or has fascist leanings yet self identified fascists tend to be they're biggest cheerleaders

Equally as dumb in thought process as the other's posted here, but more accurate based on your desire to reference hte forum.

While there may be legitimate ways to argue that Obama is an increminetal socialist (He may not be but there is at least a legitimate argument to be made, but legitimate arguments to counter it as well), rather than actually make those you've chosen to make an idiotic comment that attempts to imply that because "X" people support "Y" than therefore the notion that "Y" isn't like "X" should be looked at with skeptisim.

An argument can be made that under Bush the republicans moved towards facism. Similar to the socialist issue with Obama, there's plenty of arguments against it as well, but it can at least be made as a basic reasonable claim. However, someone going "Look at Tigger, he's a fascist and supports conservatives....it's interesting that Conservatives say they're not for fascism and yet some of the biggest conservative backers seem to be self admitted fascists" would be idiotic because that's not an argument as to why they're fascists, its just trying to suggest guilt by association.
 
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Riddle me this:

What kind of Socialist sets up free market insurance exchanges where private insurers provide private healthcare at private hospitals via private doctors?
What kind of Socialist attempts to make ACTUAL Socialized medicine less of a burden upon the taxpayer and more reliant upon user fees?

Amusingly the GOP is against...BOTH!

The whole story paints a different picture. Obama requires insurance company's to cover everyone even those with preexisting conditions but doesn't let them raise their rates enough to cover this added financial burden. Add to that the fact that if you don't buy insurance as the mandate requires you pay a small fine so alot of people will chose the small fine until they get sick or injured then they show up at the insurance comp and sign up with their illness or injury. This guarantees the failure of private insurance comps, they will go broke then the real plan kicks into place, government insurance, in other words socialism.
 
Riddle me this:

What kind of Socialist sets up free market insurance exchanges where private insurers provide private healthcare at private hospitals via private doctors?
What kind of Socialist attempts to make ACTUAL Socialized medicine less of a burden upon the taxpayer and more reliant upon user fees?

Amusingly the GOP is against...BOTH!

Well don't forget, they were for them before they were against them. Obama is so evil that he can turn the Republican's own ideas into evil.
 
Obama is not the only person for U.S recession and why this post is targeting only Obama I don't know.
 
Lets play a game-who has a better education in political science. I certainly know what socialism means (and has several definitions). And yes demonizing the rich is an incremental step towards establishing a socialist state

Yea Obama "demonizes" the rich so much that they throw money left and right at him, he bails them out, and gives them tax breaks! Sounds like one big socialist to me! :lamo
 
Riddle me this:

What kind of Socialist sets up free market insurance exchanges where private insurers provide private healthcare at private hospitals via private doctors?
What kind of Socialist attempts to make ACTUAL Socialized medicine less of a burden upon the taxpayer and more reliant upon user fees?

Amusingly the GOP is against...BOTH!
The same one who knows he can get fools to follow him on the surface measures of the bill, that wont consider how its actually goin to increase the costs of the government, and require several increased taxes... It increases spending by around $100B, and the costs will go up as well. Theres no debating this increases the size of the goverment and wll be massively intruisive. This is MORE of a burden on taxpayers.

The same one who came up with the government buying out a majority stake in one of the nation's major industries, and then renaming it, forcing it to restructure how the president wanted them to, and then gave government money to their union... Then used the company's advertising slogan (which isn't even accurate given the poor quality of their cars overall) in the State of the Union address...

The same one who increased the tax on dividends in a time of a struggling economy. The same ones who gave his friends in the financial industry billions and then hired them to oversee the creation of the new regulations which would benefit those companies. The same one who increased farm subsidies and energy subsidies and government grants, etc.

The same one who is going around the country promoting unions and favors the EFCA, where there would be a secret ballot election for the union if 30% of a company's employees sign a petition trying to establish one. (At a time when in most places people are trying to get right to work leglislation passed).

The same one who nearly doubled welfare spending. The same one who has increased spending to $3.8T, with a persistent deficit of $1.4T, and increased the debt to 100% of GDP. (You do realize that that would make us not eligible to join the EU if we were a European nation, right?). Don't give me this stimulus excuse either. The recession ended in 2009. Theres no excuse for 4 budgets subsequent to that to have $3.8T in spendin when revenue is slightly over $2T, and still have unemployment of 8.3%. The increased spending is the result of the Communist in Chief trying to have the goverment tell everybody what they have to do. That government spending is now at about a quarter of the GDP... Do you think the framers of our constitution were planning a country that they thought would make up a quarter of the nation's economy?!?

No, they fought a war against a host of taxes they felt were unecessary... Yet, this president's idea... let's tax the rich... and have them pay for the social wealth distribution programs... Guess what that equates to...

SOCIALISM
 
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Yea Obama "demonizes" the rich so much that they throw money left and right at him, he bails them out, and gives them tax breaks! Sounds like one big socialist to me! :lamo

Chrony capitalism is a form of socialism...

But... given that youre an extreme proponent of socialism... if Obama werent such the socialist, you probably wouldn't like him as much... correct?
 
Thank you for the irrelevant history lesson that I knew. We live in 2012 and I was talking in the present.

That's why I said "And, most of their modern affiliations are with the communist and socialist parties..." If you knew it, why would you make such a stupid response, that didn't take it into consideration?
 
That's why I said "And, most of their modern affiliations are with the communist and socialist parties..." If you knew it, why would you make such a stupid response, that didn't take it into consideration?

I missed that part, and it is even more stupid. Care to document that wild assed claim?
 
Forbes is a cheerleader for his party of course he would say that despite stocks being higher than they were before Obama's presidency and unemployment claims being at a 4 year low. The auto industry has picked up, construction, retail, healthcare, etc.

The only things slowing down are the things we need in the long term such as science and technology. Things that hopefully get addressed sooner than later.
 
I question if you know what "subsidy" means. First of all, a full third of the stimulus was tax cuts. Another large chunk went directly to states who by state accounting got to use it however the hell they wanted to. There were no "subsidies" in the sense of a conventional "generate X units, we'll give you Y dollars" kind of deal.

You are somewhat right that when the money train of spending ends, the activity based on it ends, but that is no different then stimulating the economy via tax cuts. When the tax cuts ends, so does the activity. You are somewhat wrong on that last sentence. In a subsidy driven economy, ending the subsidy does result in hardship at the producer point. When a stimulus ends that is based on direct spending and tax cuts, that results in a wide variety of both good and bad outcomes, but it hardly the same as a subisdy.
That's not how a subsidy has to work.

There were definitely a lot of We will give you Y dollars in order to produce X amount of goods. There were also subsidies to to X amount of services that we have dictated. There were also subsidies which were incentives, such as the

He increased subsidies to states, in a reward based system for the amount of people they were able to increase welfare assistance to.

He increased farm subsidies.

His healthcare plan has a law in it in which anyone who buys into the subsidized insurance plan, has to pay a $1 fee to subsidize abortion...
Obama Law Requires $1 Abortion Subsidy From Every Insured American

He increased subsidies for purchasing a particular model of GM car... no conflict of interest there (coincidentally, after announcing how successful the car has been... they've stopped production because of lack of sales!). Now he wants to increase the size of the subsidy to $10K... why not hold out, since your government keeps caving on the deal, why not wait until you're provided a car as a basic right by the government when youre born :roll:
GM | Suspends Production | Chevrolet Volt | The Daily Caller

and yet he wants to end Oil Company subsidies...

That's socialism right there... Government controlling the means of production, and favoring certain industries.

I don't support cutting taxes... I support not creating new ones, which would hamper growth in a fragile economy...

I support simplifying the tax code, so we can realistcally move to a flat tax of somewhere between 10-15%. We need to eliminate loopholes, reduce error payments. In general, I am also for restructuring the IRS (if not eliminating it all together). I would also like to see them restructure the entire filing process. All our payment information is there registered throughout the year. They already have an expected filing. They should just run the taxes and issue them, and stop this damn filing requirement. Cutting amount of time and money spent on the filing and return process by both the federal government and the citizens would be a great benefit to every1. Forget all this BS about tax exemptions, tax credits, etc. It would end all this BS bickering about this crap, too.

The key is to just stop tinkering with the economy, and realize inequality is a basic fact of life. Let the economy recover on its own. Stop spending like money grows on trees (or rather exists as whatever you chose you want it to be). This is just one of the regular market cycles, and all this panic and tinkering has made it worse. The market will recover once the government removes its constraints and stops pretending to be its catalyst.

If the government wanted to act to solve the problem, it should acted to help those who were defaulting on their home loans, by creating a system to allow them to continue the payments until they could sell the house to someone who could afford the loans, and work on a way of eliminating the sub-prime mortgages. That would've prevented the fiscal collapse.

They didn't, so now they need to let the bright people in the private sector come up with their own schemes to get themselves out of it.
 
I missed that part, and it is even more stupid. Care to document that wild assed claim?

Yes, commenting on something which was there is stupid. But you want to continue to question the legitimacy of the argument, so here we go...

Ku Klux Klan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Red Dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don Black (white nationalist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Stormfront (website) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

White power skinhead - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmm... interesting little tidbit here...
"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has provided legal support to various factions of the KKK in defense of their First Amendment rights to hold public rallies, parades, and marches, as well as their right to field political candidates.[144]"


IDK if knowledge is power... but you could certainly learn a thing or two...
 
There were definitely a lot of We will give you Y dollars in order to produce X amount of goods. There were also subsidies to to X amount of services that we have dictated. There were also subsidies which were incentives, such as the

Cite?

He increased subsidies to states, in a reward based system for the amount of people they were able to increase welfare assistance to.

Cite?

He increased farm subsidies.

Cite?

In fact Obama has proposed sharp cuts to farm subsidies:

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is proposing to cut billions of dollars of farm subsidies and other spending from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's fiscal-year 2013 budget.

Read more: White House Proposes Slashing US Farm Subsidies | Fox Business

His healthcare plan has a law in it in which anyone who buys into the subsidized insurance plan, has to pay a $1 fee to subsidize abortion...

That's a bald-faced lie. The so-called "Centrist" is actually citing a ridiculous article published by the John Birch Society! :lol:

He increased subsidies for purchasing a particular model of GM car...

Another lie. The rebate is for any EV, including the Nissan Leaf and several others -- not just "a particular model of GM car."

and yet he wants to end Oil Company subsidies...

Damned right.

That's socialism right there...

That's another epic fail right there ^^^^.
 
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Yes, commenting on something which was there is stupid. But you want to continue to question the legitimacy of the argument, so here we go...

Ku Klux Klan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Red Dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don Black (white nationalist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Stormfront (website) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

White power skinhead - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmm... interesting little tidbit here...
"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has provided legal support to various factions of the KKK in defense of their First Amendment rights to hold public rallies, parades, and marches, as well as their right to field political candidates.[144]"


IDK if knowledge is power... but you could certainly learn a thing or two...

I misunderstood and thought you where tying democrats and socialist/communists like TD.

Yes, the ACLU does stand up for the rights of even bad people. Don't you think rights include every one and not just those we agree with?
 
Forbes is a cheerleader for his party of course he would say that despite stocks being higher than they were before Obama's presidency and unemployment claims being at a 4 year low. The auto industry has picked up, construction, retail, healthcare, etc.

The only things slowing down are the things we need in the long term such as science and technology. Things that hopefully get addressed sooner than later.
Don't start talking economy like you know about it, please.

Stocks were at their highest under Bush in 2008... So don't make claims like "the stocks are up" means that they cant fall right back down. Watch what will happen to them if fuel prices dont go down and this summer goes by with increased gas price preventing road trips which will impact tourist areas, and just general household expenditures (AC Bills). Then you will see company profit reports showing loss, and people will go right back to being hesitant to invest.

Also need to keep an eye on whether Italy will have to reach out to the EU and the IMF for assistance. If that occurs the entire world is F'd like youve never seen before.

Other indicators in the US economy had showed growth, but theyre also showing the predicted slowdown, that everyone is hoping is just a slowdown.

The auto industry picked up initially and has since hit a slow-down. GM's volt seems to be flopping, and they've suspended production for a month, which means a whole host of workers that they had just hired back in limbo for a month's time.

Unemployment was decreasing but then became steady... at 8.3%...(which will hurt Obama's low end projection of being down to 7.4% at the end of the year). Median average projection has unemployment at 8% at the end of the year, which would not be decreasing at the rate which it had when Obama began to rant about it.

Healthcare costs have definitely gone up... (that's not a good thing though)...

The president wants to pull the wool over everyone's eyes to say how great the economy is... the thing is... most economist arent nearly as optomistic, in fact most warn that we are only stalled and growing briefly before another major recession...
 
Don't start talking economy like you know about it, please.

Stocks were at their highest under Bush in 2008...
LOL...you are such a funny guy!

The Dow peaked on October 9, 2007 at 14,164.53, and collapsed to 8,000 as Bush left the White House in January 2009.

But do keep on talking.....sheesh.

Another whopper:
:lamo Im a history major from Harvard... the place you attributed to being a top rate university when discussing Obama... keep talking though...
Yes, yes...please, keep it coming...
 
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Don't start talking economy like you know about it, please.

Stocks were at their highest under Bush in 2008... So don't make claims like "the stocks are up" means that they cant fall right back down. Watch what will happen to them if fuel prices dont go down and this summer goes by with increased gas price preventing road trips which will impact tourist areas, and just general household expenditures (AC Bills). Then you will see company profit reports showing loss, and people will go right back to being hesitant to invest.

Also need to keep an eye on whether Italy will have to reach out to the EU and the IMF for assistance. If that occurs the entire world is F'd like youve never seen before.

Other indicators in the US economy had showed growth, but theyre also showing the predicted slowdown, that everyone is hoping is just a slowdown.

The auto industry picked up initially and has since hit a slow-down. GM's volt seems to be flopping, and they've suspended production for a month, which means a whole host of workers that they had just hired back in limbo for a month's time.

Unemployment was decreasing but then became steady... at 8.3%...(which will hurt Obama's low end projection of being down to 7.4% at the end of the year). Median average projection has unemployment at 8% at the end of the year, which would not be decreasing at the rate which it had when Obama began to rant about it.

Healthcare costs have definitely gone up... (that's not a good thing though)...

The president wants to pull the wool over everyone's eyes to say how great the economy is... the thing is... most economist arent nearly as optomistic, in fact most warn that we are only stalled and growing briefly before another major recession...

I can assure you, the auto industry is doing far better now than it has last year, or in the past four years. For example, after the Tsunamis of last year, my companies suppliers slowed down, then we picked right up non stop orders, then finally in Jan we went back to normal 5 day weeks. Then 500k Honda CR-Vs got recalled for faulty dim lights....yet 2 days after that our orders picked back up and we got an order for 40,000 parts in the middle of the week: roughly, after quality, damage of parts, and you put 2 of the parts on per vehicle that equates to 10,000 vehicles for ONE week.

Oh and using a $35,000 car as proof that the industry is slowing down is silly when nearly every other major model car (other than Fusion) has seen double digit year of year growth in sales.

Unemployment claims have dropped drastically as was reported by the DoL and likely, unemployment rate will correlate with that information later this month. KY was one of the ones hit hardest by the downturn, and thanks to the economy gaining momentum I have 4 interviews to places that pay $10k more on average than what I am currently making right now..because seriously working 4 months straight with NO days off unless you request a vacation day gets old.

If the economy is bad right now, then I guess when it "picks up" I might as well camp in the damn parking lot at work.
 
Its interesting that some on the left spend so much time claiming Obama isn't an incremental socialist or has socialist leanings yet self identified socialists tend to be his biggest cheerleaders

Kind of like how Ron Paul claims he's not racists yet self identified racists tend to be his biggest cheerleaders? :roll:
 
Cite? Cite? Cite?

As if you cite any of the bogus crap you say... Please... I'm done responding to your nonsense. Break down of bad one liners. I do my research, you can do yours.

Everything I said in that post is factual... and can be backed up. I even provided several citations... Most of which disprove your ignorant pro-Obama stances on any issue. So of course youll chose to ignore them... So there's no point discussing anything with you... it's like talking to an animated Obama doll... I'll just pull the string to see what kind of pre-programmed responses you make...

That's a bald-faced lie. The so-called "Centrist" is actually citing a ridiculous article published by the John Birch Society!

LMAO... shoot the messenger again... I don't care if you respect their opinion or not, I don't have to either... It doesn't matter the source, if it's a fact it's a fact. The fact is that is a provision that's there in the bill. They've snuck a lot of things by most people in the 2,000 page bill... I get that you support the bill and anything the president does... that's why they know they can get away with this stuff... It is a fact, and an Obamanation (love how that one's been turned around against him), that the Supreme Court more than likely will toss out... We can discuss it more then... (or rather I can discuss it, and you can repeat back whatever the popular pro-Obama position is at the time)

That's another epic fail right there ^^^^.

Ooooo someone's learned to say "Epic Fail" that means it must be true... :roll:
 
LOL...you are such a funny guy!

The Dow peaked on October 9, 2007 at 14,164.53, and collapsed to 8,000 as Bush left the White House in January 2009.

But do keep on talking.....sheesh.
The DIJA is just one index to measure the market by, another is volume, highest volume on record was in 2008, and in fact several (like 6 of the top 10) of the highest days of trading were in 2008 (mostly losses I'm sure) but theres value to trading going on at all rather than no trading... I know you think you got me on this "DIJA peaked at" but I never said when the DIJA peaked... I also wasn't refering to 2008 as in this only occured in 2008... it started from 2002 on upwards... after recovery from the dotcom bubble burst... in 2007 Im sure you were saying "the economy sucks right now"... Just like when everybody claimed the economy was so great under Clinton... then boom, the NASDAQ composite made it's peak in 2000... before that just crashed right to hell under Clinton (to a point they never recovered from)... You can't attribute stocks to presidents, as Im sure you well know (eventhough you partisanly try to pin them on Bush)...

You are just adding to my point. Stock prices were high in 2000... and then they crashed on overspeculation. Stock prices were highest in 2007... on overspeculation... and boom they crash...

Now we have this slight period of growth, and over emphacized reports of the economy, by people who back the President, and prices go up... but on what account... the measures behind why those prices go up are overstated profits which many were projected to be increasing this quarter, but many who are following it suggest theres going to be a slowdown this quarter...

GM is likely gonna see it's share of the bad news, with the Volt sales down, and the fact that the Japanese suppliers have picked their production back up, so people aren't seeing the delays in stock of the Ford and Asian cars that existed after the tsunami. Then watch when the UAW increases its share to a majority ownership... that's gonna be recieved beautifully by the public...

Don't for a second expect that just because prices are up and there is growth that we can't slip into a major recession. Funny how all you libs were trumpeting the words of Forbes when he criticized Romney's tax plan, now you want to outright dismiss them when it comes to Obama's policies contributing to a potential recession (that's pretty much what would occur if Obama raised taxes right now).
 
I can assure you, the auto industry is doing far better now than it has last year, or in the past four years. For example, after the Tsunamis of last year, my companies suppliers slowed down, then we picked right up non stop orders, then finally in Jan we went back to normal 5 day weeks. Then 500k Honda CR-Vs got recalled for faulty dim lights....yet 2 days after that our orders picked back up and we got an order for 40,000 parts in the middle of the week: roughly, after quality, damage of parts, and you put 2 of the parts on per vehicle that equates to 10,000 vehicles for ONE week.

Oh and using a $35,000 car as proof that the industry is slowing down is silly when nearly every other major model car (other than Fusion) has seen double digit year of year growth in sales.

Unemployment claims have dropped drastically as was reported by the DoL and likely, unemployment rate will correlate with that information later this month. KY was one of the ones hit hardest by the downturn, and thanks to the economy gaining momentum I have 4 interviews to places that pay $10k more on average than what I am currently making right now..because seriously working 4 months straight with NO days off unless you request a vacation day gets old.

If the economy is bad right now, then I guess when it "picks up" I might as well camp in the damn parking lot at work.

I'm not suggesting the economy isn't in a recovery mode... it's just a slow recovery, which also seems based on some overly optomistic reporting... and it seems like its getting grounded for a few months...

Yes, the auto industry is great in comparison with the effects of the economic slowdown and the credit crisis... However, that doesn't mean that the market is out of the water completely... Which is why you see so many incentive programs to buy cars... They've all gotten too expensive for the average consumer... and elevated fuel prices dont mix...

However, if Obama were to raise the top tax rate from 35% to 38.75% then we are more than likely headed for a recession.
 
The DIJA is just one index to measure the market by, another is volume, highest volume on record was in 2008, and in fact several (like 6 of the top 10) of the highest days of trading were in 2008 (mostly losses I'm sure) but theres value to trading going on at all rather than no trading... I know you think you got me on this "DIJA peaked at" but I never said when the DIJA peaked... I also wasn't refering to 2008 as in this only occured in 2008... it started from 2002 on upwards...
The record volume in 2008 was due to the HUGE SELL OFF of stocks, if that is what you want to rest your hat on as a defense of the Bush economy, by all means Mr. Harvard, go for it. And then you say you weren't talking about the Dow Index number.....but in the same breath you talk about its rise since 2002. It doesn't matter what the subject is, when you get called on the most basic errors in your posts, you always wiggle around and refuse to accept them. The Dow in 2008 lost over 33% of its value, of course there was lots of trading volume going on, that's what happens in a crash.

But go on, after all....you know your economics.....especially supply-side neocon economics.
 
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