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The Republican Party has become a Radical Party

Radical, probably not. Shifted to the right, yes. The Democrats have also shifted over to the left, so it is not like it is a one party thing.
 
TheNextEra said:
And that is why the GOP won't win. They didn't learn that leasson from the Dems in 2004 when the Dems voted for "Anyone but Bush". Now the GOP is repeating the same mistake which is why Obama will win. Romney will not excite the people needed to win.

It's pretty sad to, this was the GOP election to win and instead they are grabbing defeat from victory.
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Possibly.

But President Obama is going to have high unemployment, high gas prices, high food prices, over the top debt, etc., and if the healthcare bill goes down, wow. Romeny has none of that to carry or answer to.

Also I think your under estimating the "excite" factor. I would have not chosen Romney, as the Repub candidate, but I can tell you I won't vote for the same song and dance we've had to deal with for the last 3 years. We can't afford another 4 years of President Obama's "hope and change".
 
Billy the Kid said:
But President Obama is going to have high unemployment, high gas prices, high food prices, over the top debt, etc.,
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There is absolutely no historical evidence within the last 20 years that suggests electing a republican to office will change any of those things you listed.

Reference how many times the "Great Saint Ronald Reagan" increased the national debt....
 
Dragonfly said:
There is absolutely no historical evidence within the last 20 years that suggests electing a republican to office will change any of those things you listed.

Reference how many times the "Great Saint Ronald Reagan" increased the national debt....
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Ummm . . . he changed three of the four, and his deficits were mild, even trivial, compared to what we have now.
 
Harshaw said:
Ummm . . . he changed three of the four, and his deficits were mild, even trivial, compared to what we have now.
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MILD!?!?!?!?
TRIVIAL!?!?!?!?!?

Can you name another President in the last fifty years who TRIPLED the size of the national debt under their administration?
 
haymarket said:
MILD!?!?!?!?
TRIVIAL!?!?!?!?!?

Can you name another President in the last fifty years who TRIPLED the size of the national debt under their administration?
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Nice little play on numbers.

Obama has added more to the debt in 3 years than any president in history, including any president who presided over 8 years.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Nice little play on numbers.

Obama has added more to the debt in 3 years than any president in history, including any president who presided over 8 years.
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I ask again, can you name another President in the last fifty years who TRIPLED the size of the national debt under their administration?
 
While the republicans are going to attempt to lay the blame for our economy, gas prices, debt at Obama's feet, the issue could be thrown back at the republicants who's senate leader stood on the deck of the floundering ship and declared his #1 priority not any of the above but making Obama a one term President.

It took longer than 3 years and one man to get our nation in this mess, Americans are an impatient bunch but it is going to take a lot longer to get us back to the rather shaky economy be had before Obama took office.

I am not sure about most of America but I am getting tired of this 'our nation can't take another 4 years of a democrat in the Oval Office'. Lets face some facts, republican Presidents have done our nation a lot of damage.

Romney is carrying a ton of baggage into this. His great Mass legislation is Romneycare. His biggest private sector accomplishment was called Vulture Capitalism by members of his own party. His ability to connect with the average paycheck to paycheck working stiff equals BushI's and we saw how well that worked out.

Now I was a republican back when Nixon was President. The republican party has always have a 'radical' element, just like the democrats. It does seem like the republicans have taken a few pages from the losing democrats playbooks on how to win their nomination. But many pieces of the losing democrat puzzle for the nomination are now over in the republican camp. Those dixiecrat, now southern social conservatives, seem to be creating a crisis of political faith within the republican party like they once did in the democrat party.

It used to be a bit simpler, republicans believe in big business, the democrats the working man. Employers vs employees. Some drift when national defense or as we called it, kill a commie for mommy was involved but the lines were rather easy to spot and manage. As the Civil Rights rose up to end the majority in America's Happy Days the dynamic of what drives the parties changed.

It is interesting that the republican party which used the social conservatives and 'Reagan democrats' to push through record deficits for 'defense' now is so vocal against spending to help rebuild our shattered economy.

I don't see this election lacking for conservative votes for Mitt, but rather pulling enough moderates in. not sure if enough moderates want to endorse the party so at odds with women, people who are struggling, and so protective of financial practices that are so corrosive.

For Romney's sake let's hope he doesn't tell too many more 'jokes' about his very hard edged capitalist family causing financial hardship to his loyal workers. Makes the Vulture Capitalism label a bit harder to peel off.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Nice little play on numbers.

Obama has added more to the debt in 3 years than any president in history, including any president who presided over 8 years.
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Let the facts show....in terms of percentage....Obama does not equal Reagan.

PresidentialDebt.org - United States US National Debt by President since 1976

Don't look at dollar amounts....look at overall percentage. That's apples to apples.

The REPUBLICANS are just as guilty as the democrats when it comes to massive spending, massive government, and the massive cesspool we are all now living in.

It is certainly not one persons fault, nor is it ALL OBAMA's fault.

You are being dishonest and blind if you chose to pin the entire world's economy, and the entire country's problems only on Obama.
 
Dragonfly said:
Let the facts show....in terms of percentage....Obama does not equal Reagan.

PresidentialDebt.org - United States US National Debt by President since 1976

Don't look at dollar amounts....look at overall percentage. That's apples to apples.
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Only because that's the one you like the most.

Percentage added to previous debt isn't indicative of much, because no one can control what the debt was before they came along.

Percentage of outlays borrowed, and deficit as a percentage of GDP, are real apples-to-apples.

And in those senses, Reagan's deficits were small, even trivial, compared to Obama's.
 
Harshaw said:
Only because that's the one you like the most.

Percentage added to previous debt isn't indicative of much, because no one can control what the debt was before they came along.

Percentage of outlays borrowed, and deficit as a percentage of GDP, are real apples-to-apples.

And in those senses, Reagan's deficits were small, even trivial, compared to Obama's.
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Can you name any other President other than Reagan in the last fifty years who TRIPLED the debt during their administration?
 
Harshaw said:
Only because that's the one you like the most.

Percentage added to previous debt isn't indicative of much, because no one can control what the debt was before they came along.

Percentage of outlays borrowed, and deficit as a percentage of GDP, are real apples-to-apples.

And in those senses, Reagan's deficits were small, even trivial, compared to Obama's.
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Are you really THAT blind?

Reagan averaged a 23.6% increase to the national debt during his presidency. Average. Over 8 years.

Obama has averaged 13.8 %.
 
Dragonfly said:
Are you really THAT blind?

Reagan averaged a 23.6% increase to the national debt during his presidency. Average. Over 8 years.

Obama has averaged 13.8 %.
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Did you not read what I said about using the previous debt as a measure? "Blind," indeed.
 
Harshaw said:
Did you not read what I said about using the previous debt as a measure? "Blind," indeed.
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Are you under the belief that because you said it that it now stands as the official rubric by which we decide or measure something?
 
Dragonfly said:
There is absolutely no historical evidence within the last 20 years that suggests electing a republican to office will change any of those things you listed.

Reference how many times the "Great Saint Ronald Reagan" increased the national debt....
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Just a few facts about President Reagan

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1. In his 1984 reelection bid, Reagan received 525 electoral votes, the most of any candidate in U.S. history, as he garnered 58.8% of the vote and won 49 states in his race against Walter Mondale.

2. When Reagan became President the top marginal tax rate was 70%. By the time he left office, it had dropped to 28%.

3. Reagan gave his famous “Tear down this wall” speech in 1987. Two years later in 1989, the Berlin Wall was torn down and two years after that, the Soviet Union collapsed.

4. Reagan inherited a 12.5% inflation rate from predecessor Jimmy Carter. When he left office eight years later, it had dropped to 4.4%.

5. Reagan started out as a Democrat and was a supporter of Franklin D. Roosevelt and his New Deal policies. When he decided to change his affiliation, Reagan said he didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left him.

6. Despite his strong anti-Communist rhetoric, Reagan held four summits with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, resulting in nuclear arms cuts.

7. Reagan became governor of California in 1967 by defeating Democratic Gov. Edmund G. Brown and when he stepped down eight years later he was succeeded by Jerry Brown, the previous governor’s son.

8. In the 1976 presidential race between President Ford and Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan received one electoral vote from a “faithless elector” even though he wasn’t on the ballot.

9. President Reagan nominated five Supreme Court justices. Three were confirmed by the Senate (O’Connor, Scalia and Kennedy) and two weren’t (Bork and Ginsburg.)

10. After Russia shot-down Korean Airlines flight 007, Reagan announced that the military’s Global Positioning System (GPS) would be made available for civilian use once it was sufficiently developed.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Also: The democrat party has become intolerant.
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I wish.

It's one of my greatest political hopes that the Democratic Party would become more intolerant. Intolerant of the intolerable nonsense spouted by the other side. Intolerant of the nutjobs willing to tank the economy during debt ceiling and budget negotiations. Intolerant of those moonbats who block meaningful health care reform and give us a patchwork bill of questionable constitutionality and destined to fail. Intolerant of the fools who use the guise of religious liberty to force their twisted values of love and relationships on the unwilling. Intolerant of those state and local level goons who are doing severe harm to the economy via drastic cuts in government spending.

It's one of my greatest hopes that President Obama and the rest of the Democratic Party would stand up and tell these clowns that we are intolerant of their nonsense and they need to step aside while we fix the mess they've left.
 
Matt Foley said:
Two words for you:

He's as much a social conservative as Obama is a Green candidate. In reality they are both puppets of globalist masters.
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Look who was heading the Republicans this voting season.

A Mormon. Rick Perry. Santorum. Bachmann.

And one of the huge things GWB accomplished was getting the evangelical vote out.

The Republican machine is neck deep in religion and they surely try to mix it in with their politics.

You can't deny it. It's right there for all to see.
 
Dragonfly said:
Look who was heading the Republicans this voting season.

A Mormon. Rick Perry. Santorum. Bachmann.

And one of the huge things GWB accomplished was getting the evangelical vote out.

The Republican machine is neck deep in religion and they surely try to mix it in with their politics.

You can't deny it. It's right there for all to see.
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I have a question, since you have this dislike for "neck deep in religion" thing going for you. Tell me what recent law, that you can remember, was passed based on a religion. I don't know of any, but I'm sure since so many liberals keep harping on the religion factor, there must be at least one. Heck you should be able to give one off the top of your head/brain, yes? Thanks.
 
Billy the Kid said:
I have a question, since you have this dislike for "neck deep in religion" thing going for you. Tell me what recent law, that you can remember, was passed based on a religion. I don't know of any, but I'm sure since so many liberals keep harping on the religion factor, there must be at least one. Heck you should be able to give one off the top of your head/brain, yes? Thanks.
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Does radical environmentalism count as a religion?
 
Dragonfly said:
Look who was heading the Republicans this voting season.

A Mormon. Rick Perry. Santorum. Bachmann.
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Globalist scum, globalist scum, globalist scum, globalist scum

And one of the huge things GWB accomplished was getting the evangelical vote out.

The Republican machine is neck deep in religion and they surely try to mix it in with their politics.

You can't deny it. It's right there for all to see.
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Globalist scum are godless satan worshipers.
 
danarhea said:
I am not sure about that. Blue dog Democrats are fairly common, and I imagine that Obama is gnashing his teeth because of that. LOL.
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By that extension, moderate Republicans, or what they seem to call "the establishment" are fairly common as well.
 
cpwill said:
these would be the "conservative democrats" who vote for Nancy Pelosi to take the House Chair, and who voted for Obamacare?
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Yes, after getting sections of what they wanted into the bill.
 
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