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ron paul.

beerftw said:
if people really want to argue ron paul.

his gold standard theory is dead on,almost every monetary problem weve had came from ending the gold standard,so now people argue ending what has caused every problem we have with money would kill our economy,well yes,but would you rather be poor today and rich tommorrow or rich today and poor tomorrow.most people chose being rch today because they would rather shuffle a ant down the road until it becomes an elephant,then deal with it then.


on foreign policy he is dead on.there is a reason those who actually served in the military support him so much,because they have been there done that,vs politicians and people who listen to cnn and fox who are told his views are destructive,wrong our current views are destructive,we dont need a base in every major country and we dont need to start war with every country because they maybe might possibly attack us in the next 80 years!!!!!!
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Ah, so the US economy was so good when it was under the gold standard? There was a reason why the US changed from the gold to ailver, then feom silver to green
 
the kwanawk said:
when will people see that this isnt our problem, so many countries hate us now because we are interfering, look what happened in vietnam
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So you think that innocents should be killed, even when we could have intervened?
 
NAKED N00B said:
Ron Paul is a clown.

I can tell you the exact moment I lost whatever respect I previously had for him. When I saw that he defended the right of Texas to make anti-sodomy laws, I realized he is just another person looking to downsize the federal government because he recognizes that his personal agenda is impossible to administer nationally. Sexual relations are the most personal thing in our culture and this supposed champion of individual liberty is defending a state's right to regulate that. How anyone can buy into the freedom and liberty buzz words he spouts while he turns around and does something like that dumbfounds me.

Ron Paul is a right wing looney toon and a danger to our country.
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you failed to mention that he is opposed to the TX sodomy laws in your argument... why is that?
 
the kwanawk said:
one of the major reasons i think people dont like him is because they dont want to change they cant see that this country is failing due to their "genius" economic plans
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Whenever Ron Paul or a member of his cult are challenged on their economic positions, they spout some generic bs like "If you just understood the business cycle..." or "If you knew Austrian economics..." and run away from the facts which were directed at them.
 
Proud South Korean said:
Ah, so the US economy was so good when it was under the gold standard? There was a reason why the US changed from the gold to ailver, then feom silver to green
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we ended the gold standard because it didnt let us endlessly print money and forced the united states to live within its means,but the gold standard also fought deflation and depreciation.


im sorry you support a monopoly money standard that cant be sustained unless we accumulate a large amount of debt to prevent inflation.
 
Proud South Korean said:
So you think that innocents should be killed, even when we could have intervened?
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yes, i do. because if we intervene guess what we will 1 waste money and 2 send american innocents to be killed along with the innocens already dying. is it not enough to have a few die, but if we intervene send that much more to die to. do you want americans to die for people they dont know, benefits we wont recieve from being in this, how about lets deal with america right now.
 
Thrilla said:
you failed to mention that he is opposed to the TX sodomy laws in your argument... why is that?
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Because I feel his trust in totalitarian state governments is concerning and more telling than what he personally would do as dictator of Texas.
 
NAKED N00B said:
Whenever Ron Paul or a member of his cult are challenged on their economic positions, they spout some generic bs like "If you just understood the business cycle..." or "If you knew Austrian economics..." and run away from the facts which were directed at them.
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what facts
 
NAKED N00B said:
Because I feel his trust in totalitarian state governments is concerning and more telling than what he personally would do as dictator of Texas.
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ahhh.. so you choose to be dishonest instead of accurate.

ok then... we know where you stand now.
 
the kwanawk said:
why do you say that though, what makes you not like him
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He has extremist views that are simply unworkable in the modern world. His administration, assuming that he got his way which he certainly would not, would be a disaster for the United States. He needs to join reality.
 
I confess that I often am mildly appalled at some of your views :) but we agree on this.

In principle, Ron Paul is very correct. While I don't think we can or should return to the gold standard, we should restore intrinsic value to our money instead of constant degradation. You might say we need to be either on a Spondulix standard or at least the balanced inflow/outflow standard. Paul is rejected because "gold standard" is too simplistic.

Again, in foreign policy, Paul is right, sort of. We don't need to sup[port large military presence in places like Germany, Japan or Korea. We could accomplish the same thing with a symbolic 1000 troops as we do with 50000. We could also make countries that really want us there, pay for us. Again, Paul is too literal about this and thus unpopular. Plus there are many fingers in pies that would not like to be removed.

He probably is the least corruptible applicant for President. However, we don't want or need honesty in Government. If you doubt that, just look at what we have now and the way it's run and then tell me that we aren't getting what we voted for.

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beerftw said:
if people really want to argue ron paul.

his gold standard theory is dead on,almost every monetary problem weve had came from ending the gold standard,so now people argue ending what has caused every problem we have with money would kill our economy,well yes,but would you rather be poor today and rich tommorrow or rich today and poor tomorrow.most people chose being rch today because they would rather shuffle a ant down the road until it becomes an elephant,then deal with it then.


on foreign policy he is dead on.there is a reason those who actually served in the military support him so much,because they have been there done that,vs politicians and people who listen to cnn and fox who are told his views are destructive,wrong our current views are destructive,we dont need a base in every major country and we dont need to start war with every country because they maybe might possibly attack us in the next 80 years!!!!!!
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the kwanawk said:
what facts
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That cutting $1 trillion from the budget would be economically devastating. That the Austrian predictions of skyrocketing inflation have been completely wrong. That we're borrowing at ridiculously low rates despite years of trillion dollar deficits. That Austrians have been completely wrong about everything in this economic crisis.
 
Cephus said:
He has extremist views that are simply unworkable in the modern world. His administration, assuming that he got his way which he certainly would not, would be a disaster for the United States. He needs to join reality.
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unworkable in the modern world=unworkable with the status quo.funny the ones fighting him are the most pro establishment politicians and organizations,yet those same organizations are the ones who caused all this damage.

business 101 if you cant make a better product bring down your opponents product to make yours look better.
 
beerftw said:
we ended the gold standard because it didnt let us endlessly print money and forced the united states to live within its means,but the gold standard also fought deflation and depreciation.


im sorry you support a monopoly money standard that cant be sustained unless we accumulate a large amount of debt to prevent inflation.
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Any commodity can be manipulated, including gold, where its value can be inflated through speculation. You don't want to allow that with what you are basing the value of your currency upon. All nations know this which is why no one uses gold as a basis for its currency. France tried to diminish the value of US dollars through gold manipulation which is why we left the standard.
 
NAKED N00B said:
That cutting $1 trillion from the budget would be economically devastating. That the Austrian predictions of skyrocketing inflation have been completely wrong. That we're borrowing at ridiculously low rates despite years of trillion dollar deficits. That Austrians have been completely wrong about everything in this economic crisis.
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we are cutting 1 trillion dollars from an unneeded budget, we borrow money to pay other places just so we can put our noses in business that doesnt concern us. this unneeded budget is to keep us as those annoying neighbors that no one likes.
 
Thrilla said:
ahhh.. so you choose to be dishonest instead of accurate.

ok then... we know where you stand now.
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Explaining the point at which I lost all respect for the man and showing his hypocrisy through the defense of totalitarian government at the state level is dishonest now?
 
NAKED N00B said:
That cutting $1 trillion from the budget would be economically devastating. That the Austrian predictions of skyrocketing inflation have been completely wrong. That we're borrowing at ridiculously low rates despite years of trillion dollar deficits. That Austrians have been completely wrong about everything in this economic crisis.
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it's very helpful , in keeping the inflation rate low, when you don't factor in the costs of things Americans buy.. like energy and food

despite everything being more expensive, inflation is somehow very low.... it's like magic.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Any commodity can be manipulated, including gold, where its value can be inflated through speculation. You don't want to allow that with what you are basing the value of your currency upon. All nations know this which is why no one uses gold as a basis for its currency. France tried to diminish the value of US dollars through gold manipulation which is why we left the standard.
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and china can manipulate our non gold standar by simply coming out and saying you dont owe us money anymore.so we went from precious metals to paper with no backing other than our economy debt and the fact oil is priced in dollars.just us borrowing from other countries puts our currency at extreme risk,but yet inflating gold prices would just mean gold would be worth more,meaning a dollar would be worth more,still much better than what we have.
 
NAKED N00B said:
Explaining the point at which I lost all respect for the man and showing his hypocrisy through the defense of totalitarian government at the state level is dishonest now?
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explaining when you lost respect is not dishonest... you were dishonest in explaining why.

it's fine that you lost respect for him.. but losing respect for him because of untruths you make up is particularly troublesome... but that's your gig, not mine.
the minute you said he's about totalitarian state governments, you pretty much lost the game... it's a simple fabrication on your part, it has nothing to do with reality or accuracy.
 
the kwanawk said:
we are cutting 1 trillion dollars from an unneeded budget, we borrow money to pay other places just so we can put our noses in business that doesnt concern us. this unneeded budget is to keep us as those annoying neighbors that no one likes.
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I'm partially sympathetic to some of his foreign policy views, but bringing those up will not get around the fact that cutting $1 trillion from GDP will be devestating. When we are suffering from a shortage in aggregate demand, that is the worst thing you can do.

Look at how well austerity is treating Europe.

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Thrilla said:
it's very helpful , in keeping the inflation rate low, when you don't factor in the costs of things Americans buy.. like energy and food

despite everything being more expensive, inflation is somehow very low.... it's like magic.
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You know as well as I do that this complaint is garbage.

Energy and food prices are susceptible to shocks unrelated to monetary policy. The claims that Austrians were making involved massive inflation due to a huge devaluation of the currency. If rising prices were a result of correct Austrian predictions, it wouldn't be seen just in food and energy, and it would be clear in core CPI. That's not the case. Prices on certain things are rising (like food and oil) because of shocks unrelated to monetary policy. For Austrians to say their predictions would be true if for a different measure of inflation is ridiculous. It would like me predicting on Thanksgiving that we would see widespread deflation because of the Fed's policies within the next few days, only to wave around the fliers for Wal Mart's Black Friday sales to show I was correct.

Thrilla said:
explaining when you lost respect is not dishonest... you were dishonest in explaining why.

it's fine that you lost respect for him.. but losing respect for him because of untruths you make up is particularly troublesome... but that's your gig, not mine.
the minute you said he's about totalitarian state governments, you pretty much lost the game... it's a simple fabrication on your part, it has nothing to do with reality or accuracy.
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Did he or did he not defend the right of state governments to legislate the most personal individual matters?
 
Thrilla said:
explaining when you lost respect is not dishonest... you were dishonest in explaining why.

it's fine that you lost respect for him.. but losing respect for him because of untruths you make up is particularly troublesome... but that's your gig, not mine.
the minute you said he's about totalitarian state governments, you pretty much lost the game... it's a simple fabrication on your part, it has nothing to do with reality or accuracy.
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which makes naked N00b the real hypocrite here
 
haymarket said:
he is a libertarian.

I am not sure that is a difference with a distinction.
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interesting opinion.

i'm hosting a Libertarian meet-up group BBQ here ...i'll be sure to relate how a guy, who works in in government.. supposedly serving the people, feels about other Americans.
 
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