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Newt To Force Brokered Convention So Palin Can Enter And Take Nomination From Mitt

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It's fantasy land to suggest that Palin pulled McCain out of his slump completely and thus could do far better against Obama. It helped him among the base, but Palin herself could not have withstood what Obama could pull out in a debate nor in a campaign. Palin at best might be trying to have some manner of influence on who the prospective nominee will be. It would not be herself. Such matters reek of Hollywood extravagance rather than realistic political insight.

The suggestion that his abandoning the campaign to focus on the bailout dramatically hurt him ignores the rapid redeployment of his resources into the campaign after the "I'm going to help fix this crisis" gamble backfired with congress. Furthermore, it is idiocy to suggest that McCain, "had no chance." Many political scientists argued that like any other race, it had its ups and downs for either candidate. In this race in particular, it was not out of the picture to see a Republican like McCain winning the election. The momentum was against McCain, but for a significant amount of time in the summer and fall of 2008, McCain was doing quite well against Obama (with suggestion of neck to neck). The errors of hindsight and over-reliance upon momentum blind people from seeing that the race, for a significant amount of time, was fairly close. The greatest thing that went for Obama was by far the economic fallout. After that the tide switched in Obama's direction.
 
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upsideguy said:
Isn't revisionist history grand? Its fantasy and creative writing with a historical backdrop.
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No, it's not. You are thinking of historical fiction. Revisionist history is a process of reviewing history from a different lens from the typical historiographical outlook on a given event or topic. Yet, often times, it becomes a valid process of historical research and publication. If one thinks they are immune from revisionist history, they are sorely mistaken.
 
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Speaking of Nascar, Palin is at the Bristol Race, hubby is viewing on TV today. She's everywhere! Somebody commented, "of course she's there, her daughter's named Bristol." Excuse me, I just assumed her daughter is named after "Bristrol Bay, Alaska," people!

I think she was a huge liability to the McCain campaign. Once he chose her, he must have though, OMG, I've made a mistake......noooooo! Cariboo Barbie's probably about a 10.9 on the ruthless scale though. Ruthless is a reputation she acquired clear back in HS. Ruthlessness, and extreme minipulation skills, make up for lack of smarts in other areas, and basically add up to a dangerous combination.
 
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Fiddytree said:
It's fantasy land to suggest that Palin pulled McCain out of his slump completely and thus could do far better against Obama. It helped him among the base, but Palin herself could not have withstood what Obama could pull out in a debate nor in a campaign. Palin at best might be trying to have some manner of influence on who the prospective nominee will be. It would not be herself. Such matters reek of Hollywood extravagance rather than realistic political insight.

The suggestion that his abandoning the campaign to focus on the bailout dramatically hurt him ignores the rapid redeployment of his resources into the campaign after the "I'm going to help fix this crisis" gamble backfired with congress. Furthermore, it is idiocy to suggest that McCain, "had no chance." Many political scientists argued that like any other race, it had its ups and downs for either candidate. In this race in particular, it was not out of the picture to see a Republican like McCain winning the election. The momentum was against McCain, but for a significant amount of time in the summer and fall of 2008, McCain was doing quite well against Obama (with suggestion of neck to neck). The errors of hindsight and over-reliance upon momentum blind people from seeing that the race, for a significant amount of time, was fairly close. The greatest thing that went for Obama was by far the economic fallout. After that the tide switched in Obama's direction.
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McCain lost the race when he pronounced that "the fundamentals of the American economy are strong". He showed that he was completely out of touch with America and the American people. THAT was the turning point for McCain.
 
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Rosie1 said:
Speaking of Nascar, Palin is at the Bristol Race, hubby is viewing on TV today. She's everywhere! Somebody commented, "of course she's there, her daughter's named Bristol." Excuse me, I just assumed her daughter is named after "Bristrol Bay, Alaska," people!

I think she was a huge liability to the McCain campaign. Once he chose her, he must have though, OMG, I've made a mistake......noooooo! Cariboo Barbie's probably about a 10.9 on the ruthless scale though. Ruthless is a reputation she acquired clear back in HS. Ruthlessness, and extreme minipulation skills, make up for lack of smarts in other areas, and basically add up to a dangerous combination.
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One of our smarter conservative posters, Zyphlin, makes a very good argument that she was a benefit to McCain, and he has convinced me with his arguments. Without Palin, there is a very real chance McCain would have done even worse. He could have ended up without those who liked Obama and his message, without moderates and independents voting against republicans due to Bush, and without conservatives, who considered him a RINO. That could have resulted in a historic loss.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Meanwhile, the Cain Train sits idling waiting for the flag to come into station and pick up the nomination.
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Cain & Palin ticket? :O
 
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You actually believe that Newt wants to stay in the race to force a brokered convention so someone else can take the nomination?
 
Newt is in rye race to prevent Santorum from getting the nomination nothing more noting less

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Is it really that hard to figure out? Newt is in the race because he's been making his living for the last 17 years peddling his influence and pretending that he was about to run for something. Basically he had to **** or get off the pot. He's recharging his name recognition batteries so he can go back to bilking his corporate clients and fleecing conservatives who are dumb enough to give him their money.
 
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Redress said:
One of our smarter conservative posters, Zyphlin, makes a very good argument that she was a benefit to McCain, and he has convinced me with his arguments. Without Palin, there is a very real chance McCain would have done even worse. He could have ended up without those who liked Obama and his message, without moderates and independents voting against republicans due to Bush, and without conservatives, who considered him a RINO. That could have resulted in a historic loss.
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This however fails to take into account that McCain could have done much better if he had taken a VP that appealed to the base that didn't have the negatives that Palin had. If you stand back and look at the race it is clear that Palin gave McCain an initial boost because it was a "hail mary" exciting pick, but when Palin started opening her mouth and proving what a fool she was, Palin became a drag on the ticket. McCain lost any hope of carrying the moderate/independents that control the election. Palin in no way helped McCain. McCain wouldn't have done any worse without her, if he had selected a more qualified person that appealed to the right-wing base...and probably could have done better.
 
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disneydude said:
This however fails to take into account that McCain could have done much better if he had taken a VP that appealed to the base that didn't have the negatives that Palin had. If you stand back and look at the race it is clear that Palin gave McCain an initial boost because it was a "hail mary" exciting pick, but when Palin started opening her mouth and proving what a fool she was, Palin became a drag on the ticket. McCain lost any hope of carrying the moderate/independents that control the election. Palin in no way helped McCain. McCain wouldn't have done any worse without her, if he had selected a more qualified person that appealed to the right-wing base...and probably could have done better.
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I think that's right. He essentially cut the legs out from beneath his whole campaign message, which was focused on Obama's relative lack of experience. Hard to press that line when you've just chosen a second in command who's never even heard of the Federal Reserve.
 
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Karl said:
To avoid the 'vetting' process.
To save money.

It's kinda like NASCAR... why bother trying to run in the top five for 500 laps when, so many times, you can be in last place 10 laps from the end and still win the race?

Looks look at the landscape...
1) the GOP has totally alienated most women, including most of its own. Palin could bring many of them back in the general election.
2) Santorum is too far out there for most independents (and many GOPers), but Palin? Not quite so far out there. Still a bible thumper, but less threatening. She would get all his delegates, as well as votes in the general.
3) The religious right knows that Gingrich is still a sinner, even though they are willing to pardon him... but Palin is pure. She would get all of Newt's delegates (and votes in the general).
4) Some of the GOPers who would stay home if Romney is the nominee would come out and vote for Palin (besides all those Santorum/Gingrich voters).
5) Millions really do think there were death panels in Obamacare.

It all boils down as to whether or not she could avoid making herself look like an idiot to the independents between nomination and election. Given that she's discovered the trick to that (only go on friendly media), she could pull it off (there would be no debates, of course).

If she got the nomination, I'd be afraid to bet either way. Depends a lot on the economy and the Middle East.
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We can always dream or for Democrats fear. That must be the worst thing Democrats could imagine. They can't use class warfare, they are getting embarrassed because Palin is not saying anything stupid anymore and the base is energized. Then she might win, and their biggest fear of all. Sarah Palin as the first female President.

But I don't think it is very likely. The GOP establishment want Romney, and will get pissed off if they try to pick someone else. My guess is that they will make a deal with Ron Paul, since they are already supporting each other, and Romney will win the brokered convention.

Interesting thoughts, though!
 
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if Palin, by some chance in Hell becomes the GOP nominee, Obama's re-election will be easy as pie.
 
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Thunder said:
if Palin, by some chance in Hell becomes the GOP nominee, Obama's re-election will be easy as pie.
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Not necessarily. With the popularity of Obama care falling into the basement and high gas prices coupled with fast and furious and the length of the recession, Obama would get a hard time from any candidate. I'm not saying he can't win, but he's got a lot of negatives. Negatives that have nothing to do with Kenya, birth certificates or crazy clergy. Substantive negatives.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
Not necessarily. With the popularity of Obama care falling into the basement and high gas prices coupled with fast and furious and the length of the recession, Obama would get a hard time from any candidate. I'm not saying he can't win, but he's got a lot of negatives. Negatives that have nothing to do with Kenya, birth certificates or crazy clergy. Substantive negatives.
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that's why he beats all the GOP candidates in the polls.
 
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Thunder said:
that's why he beats all the GOP candidates in the polls.
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Actually, Santorum is doing very well in the EC. He's leading in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Iowa and possibly in Indiana. That's more than enough to swing the election in his favor. Granted, it is early, but when Santorum or Romney start throwing punches at Obama about issues with real substance, Obama is going to have very little to hang his hat on. He will probably use his "I'm above them" tone which has been very successful in the past. But that can only get you so far. Obama is going to have to come up with a plan, and soon, that will show Americans why he is the right choice. And if it isn't much different than the last four years, he'll tank.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
Actually, Santorum is doing very well in the EC. He's leading in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Iowa and possibly in Indiana. That's more than enough to swing the election in his favor. Granted, it is early, but when Santorum or Romney start throwing punches at Obama about issues with real substance, Obama is going to have very little to hang his hat on. He will probably use his "I'm above them" tone which has been very successful in the past. But that can only get you so far. Obama is going to have to come up with a plan, and soon, that will show Americans why he is the right choice. And if it isn't much different than the last four years, he'll tank.
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Obama is polling 8.5% ahead of Santorum, who would get crushed in a general election unless 100 million people suddenly become evangelicals.
 
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GP means nothing. EC means everything. Obama could get 60% of the vote and lose.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
GP means nothing. EC means everything. Obama could get 60% of the vote and lose.
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I hope you're not putting any money on that. :lol:
 
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The real question is if she becomes the canidate how's she going to win a debate against Barack Obama? She couldn't even beat Joe Biden in a debate.
 
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There is no way the Republican party would EVER allow Sarah Palin to face Obama in a general election, it would be a landslide of epic proportions. This lady is incompetent, dangerous, and shouldn't be allowed to hold government office. I really do hope the GOP is stupid enough to make this happen....it would be the death of the respectable republican party. To even consider such an idea should be illegal.
 
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