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The Conservative Disclaimer (re: Romney)

No one cares about your bull**** pledge, or your bull**** pet names. Sorry.

Here's a news flash, you're so partisan and political that you think you have to put out a statement where you retain your right to your own thought. Really? Am I to take this to mean all the other times you stated an opinion or supported a candidate that it wasn't your own thoughts you were sharing, that it wasn't your own opinions? Congratulations you're a drone.

You've always had the ability to think or disagree with your party, the fact that you feel you need to lay out a statement when you disagree as if it is something special or rare makes me think you can't think for yourself. Why don't you break your attachment to the party line and star thinking for yourself.

Apparently you cared. You cared enough to tell me why you thought it was wrong ;)

But your characterization of my opinion is spot...WRONG. I was expressing that just because a Republican might win the presidency doesn't mean that what he does is conservative. Further, I'm not going to defend his non-conservative accomplishments. This has nothing to do with whether or not I mimic a politician and everything to do with me disowning one that claims to be on my side.
 
Romney may win the nomination, but he won't win in November.

True conservatives will stay home or vote third party if Mitt Romney is the GOP nominee.

Then they'll be doing their country a great disservice. While Romney is not one of us, he is a lot closer than Obama. Another 4 years of Obama will be every bit as disastrous as the last 4 years.
 
Okay... first off, you sound like an uninformed whack-job... so I am probably wasting my words here... but I will give you the benefit of doubt, and suggest to reason with you about your response.

It shocks me that you would profess to be a "conservative", and prefer Santorum or Gingrich to Romney based on that principal.

For Santorum, he voted in favor of numerous tax raises, and for the creation of several key spending programs, the worst of which was likely his active support to pass Medicare Part D, which has cost the US Taxpayer dearly. Medicare Part D is one of the major reasons that the debt has grown faster under this president than any other. Santorum as well backed his buddy, Arlen Spector, the liberal. Santorum, despite espousing numerous narrow-minded social views (like women shouldn't be allowed to serve in combat), etc., is not actually a conservative. His recent comments against Puerto Rico becoming a state if it didnt declare English it's official language only show his complete ignorance as far as the Constitution goes. You would think as a lawyer he would know better. Furthermore, English is an official language in Puerto Rico. However, his stupid inflamatory comments just essentially all but alienated the Puerto Rican vote in Florida, and ceeded FL to Obama in the general election. Great move sweater vest... :roll:

Gingrich likewise came into a balanced budget, and instead the size of that budget increased every single year of his tenure, before stepping down in scandal. The Gingrich Congress was known for inaction, and only to step in to waste taxpayer money fighting Clinton over a BJ... He has been traveling the country promising the moon, citing JFK as an inspiration, and proposing big spending program after big spending program while attempting to pander to local audiences. This current $2.50 cent gas ploy is as ridiculous as it gets, since there is no way the president could set gas prices... It's a free market entity, unless Gingrich once again has let the cat out of the bag, that he prefers government intervention instead of free market principals. Gingrich is no conservative, he only calls himself one. Unlike Santorum he can't even claim the "social conservative" thing, since we've all seen his behavior with the women he has associated with.

Romney on the other hand has consistently over his career, including his time as Governor of MA, cut spending, increased private sector growth, downsized government, cut taxes, balanced a budget, fired numerous useless executives and eliminated their positions from the government, etc. Romney has an actual record of conservatism to run on.

Romney's plan CommonwealthCare is often misunderstood as being a Government run healthcare system... Don't let idiots like Rush Limbaugh and his little pet Rick Santorum fool you. It is clearly not! Romney's plan was about reducing a Free Care coverage pool which was costing taxpayers $715M annually. What his plan said, is that you're not gonna sit around and not have health coverage, then suddenly when you get sick go to the hospital and stiff taxpayers with the bill. His plan increases personal responsibility and private health coverage. Those are conservative principals. The alternative was the government paying for free loaders. When CommonwealthCare was instituted as Romney designed it, that $715M uncompensated care pool was eliminated, and the new fund which was reduced by $300M.

Despite Santorum's persistent claims, it is not top down government run healthcare. It is slight government oversight of a private based personaly owned private health coverage system, w/ the addition of potential to buy into a partially government subsidized healthcare collective if you make under like $17K/yr, or $23K/yr if you have children (they continually keep changing the numbers on that so dont quote me there).

Despite Santorum's persistent claims that he is the "true conservative", he clearly is not, as he has his seat handed to him on a platter in the Arizona debate. The "true conservative" in the race is Ron Paul, who espouses every conservative principal.

However, as many of you would indicate, you are more than likely to the left of Ron Paul on the political spectrum. Thus, it seems so shocking then that you're willing to go after Romney for not being an ultra-conservative, because he has broad appeal and reaches out to mainstream Republicans not just the vocal right wing that only represent 12%.

WOw thats how to start a civil debate LOL

Wait is this the abortion / planned parenthood thread because Ive seen posts very similar to this every time Romney comes up? This post is so much like every post you make except you just didnt stick PP in at the beginning and end. Still mostly off topic, you instantly attack the other guy and just rant on. Im thinkin you are Romney, work for him or are related to him :shrug:
 
This is always so humorous. It really does prove it is irrelevant what a politician does, only what he says at the moment. Santorum in his past and voting record is actually the most liberal of the 4. He voted for the federal government to outlaw all state right-to-work laws playing kiss-ass with union bosses, voted for deficit increased budgets over 2 dozen times. He never voted to cut the budget. 100% of the time he voted to increase the cost and size of the federal government. He originally was pro-choice. He voted to double the size of the Department of Education. He voted to expand Medicare. He has voted for foreign aid.

Those are not conservative principles and exactly opposite what he SAYS he will do. In short, Santorum now rages that he won't be the politician he always has been.

Santorum, the conservative? What a joke. He claims he is exactly the opposite of exactly how he always voted in the Senate, spouts of extreme religious rightwing slogans, and everyone agrees he's ultra conservative.

Santorum reproves P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute." It now would appear that most of those become Republican.

Ontheissues.org disagrees:

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I think this is why I am confused about being "conservative". If I had to define myself, I would say that I might be a "fiscal conservative" but I'm also a "Social Liberal". We really need a third party, don't we?
If by fiscal conservative you mean that govt should have controls on markets, banking and money supply......and you are socially liberal (few restrictions on individual rights), then welcome to the US liberal viewpoint.
 
The true false understanding is that few people realize there already is free universal health care. Its call the emergency room and anyone - citizen or not - can go in with anything from the flu to needing open heart surgery to cancer and never pay a dollar.

So... the real question is who pays for it? Now, it is mostly property owners (homeowners and commercial property) with some coming from the federal government.

Talking about opposing universal health care in nonsense as it already exists. Rather, it is how it is done and who pays? Currently, it is primarily homeowners who pay.
 
The true false understanding is that few people realize there already is free universal health care. Its call the emergency room and anyone - citizen or not - can go in with anything from the flu to needing open heart surgery to cancer and never pay a dollar.

So... the real question is who pays for it? Now, it is mostly property owners (homeowners and commercial property) with some coming from the federal government.

Talking about opposing universal health care in nonsense as it already exists. Rather, it is how it is done and who pays? Currently, it is primarily homeowners who pay.

Agreed... except in MA... where Romney made sure people couldn't freeload on the system, if they could afford a private healthcare plan, or if their company offered healthcare....

That's what people don't get. In MA, we went from a Free Care pool, to private based coverage, through a governement requirement to own ones responsibility for health coverage. It's less liberal than free care. It's not 100% conservative, but its far better than the alternative, and was constituted would save taxpayers millions.
 
Agreed... except in MA... where Romney made sure people couldn't freeload on the system, if they could afford a private healthcare plan, or if their company offered healthcare....

That's what people don't get. In MA, we went from a Free Care pool, to private based coverage, through a governement requirement to own ones responsibility for health coverage. It's less liberal than free care. It's not 100% conservative, but its far better than the alternative, and was constituted would save taxpayers millions.

That is the real problem with allowing the media - Fox V MSNBC - to twist issues to divide them neatly into 2 camps - even when it is 100% out in outer space in relation to reality. I doubt 1% of people understand the REAL issue in both MA and nationally about healthcare. THERE IS UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE already and has been for DECADES. The only REAL issue is WHO PAYS FOR IT?

The "Romney" plan was that as much as possible, the person who gets the healthcare pays for the healthcare via insurance - rather than other people pay it for the person. But because of FOX and the media with simplifies everything to suit the platitudes they are pushing, the real issue is never even discussed and it is the media created fantasy that is controlling the political process now.
 
Agreed... except in MA... where Romney made sure people couldn't freeload on the system, if they could afford a private healthcare plan, or if their company offered healthcare....

That's what people don't get. In MA, we went from a Free Care pool, to private based coverage, through a governement requirement to own ones responsibility for health coverage. It's less liberal than free care. It's not 100% conservative, but its far better than the alternative, and was constituted would save taxpayers millions.

True, but Romney doesn't have the balls to stand up for his signature achievement as governor of MA because it's the same thing as Obamacare. Awkward!
 
Romney is conservative enough. I said the same thing about McCain in 2008 when I supported him. While being under attack for Romneycare, it's actually come to our attention that he vetoed alot of the parts in that health care bill which was overridden by a heavily Democratic legislature. He's also said that what's right for Massachusetts isn't necessarily right for the U.S.
 
Romney is conservative enough. I said the same thing about McCain in 2008 when I supported him. While being under attack for Romneycare, it's actually come to our attention that he vetoed alot of the parts in that health care bill which was overridden by a heavily Democratic legislature. He's also said that what's right for Massachusetts isn't necessarily right for the U.S.
If he hadn't changed all of his opinions, and he defended his previous positions, then I could support him. But why elect a liar? Do you think he will be more honest if he gets elected? The reason people call him a Massachusetts moderate is because they don't believe he changed his opinions.

To use the argument that he had to, due to a liberal state, has no value. He shouldn't have tried to become governor in Massachusetts in the first place. If he can't win another state, then he is just a flawed candidate.

Why didn't he pick another state? Because he knew that what he said in 1994 would hurt him big time.
 
As much as I would prefer either Santorum or Gingrich over Romney, it appears that Romney will win the nomination and the Presidency. In the event that that is the case, I'm creating a disclaimer for all conservatives. Think of it as a way of separating our ideals from his.

And this is why conservatives will never have a conservative president. You will vote for even the most progressive RINO rather than risk losing the general election to a moderate liberal.
 
Agreed... except in MA... where Romney made sure people couldn't freeload on the system, if they could afford a private healthcare plan, or if their company offered healthcare....

That's what people don't get. In MA, we went from a Free Care pool, to private based coverage, through a governement requirement to own ones responsibility for health coverage. It's less liberal than free care. It's not 100% conservative, but its far better than the alternative, and was constituted would save taxpayers millions.

If he was a Conservative his approach would have been to remove the mandate that hospitals and clinics provide services for those who can't or won't pay either in cash or via insurance.
 
And this is why conservatives will never have a conservative president. You will vote for even the most progressive RINO rather than risk losing the general election to a moderate liberal.

Exactly, CT. Until the Conservatives are more interested in their Principles than party affiliation, nothing will change.
 
And this is why conservatives will never have a conservative president. You will vote for even the most progressive RINO rather than risk losing the general election to a moderate liberal.

It's the same reason why liberals will never have a truly liberal president: REALITY. Most Americans are somewhere in the middle and thus are not going to vote for an extreme candidate at either end of the spectrum. The only way it will happen is if both parties nominate extreme candidates, forcing the electorate to pick their poison.
 
Romney may win the nomination, but he won't win in November.

True conservatives will stay home or vote third party if Mitt Romney is the GOP nominee.

TRUE conservative? there is no single definition currently existing for those words...
 
TRUE conservative? there is no single definition currently existing for those words...

Yes there is. It's just that you pretty much have to be one to understand it; which leaves self-identifying Moderates out.
 
And this is why conservatives will never have a conservative president. You will vote for even the most progressive RINO rather than risk losing the general election to a moderate liberal.

When did I say I would vote for him? I just said it looks like he will win.
 
Yes there is. It's just that you pretty much have to be one to understand it; which leaves self-identifying Moderates out.

don't know how old you are, I am 65, and conservatism has changed in the last 40 years.....Eisenhower is spinning in his grave a lot lately.....
 
joko, Santorum is the closest to being a Conservative that the Republican Party is offering at the moment. He is not a True Conservative, but he is as close as the party is offering. That means most of the conservatives in the party will support him. Of course those of us who are True Conservatives won't support any of them.

So he's the closest why? Is it because he wants to control everyone's sex life and their ability to see nudie pictures? Is that why he's closest? Is it because he thinks the birth control pill is the bane of all that is evil? Is it because he thinks gays are icky? Or is it because he would prefer the US pretend like it's 13th Century Europe that makes him closest to being a "true conservative"?
 
As much as I would prefer either Santorum or Gingrich over Romney, it appears that Romney will win the nomination and the Presidency. In the event that that is the case, I'm creating a disclaimer for all conservatives. Think of it as a way of separating our ideals from his.

santorum is conservative on all the wrong issues and wrong on all the fiscal issues
 
TRUE conservative? there is no single definition currently existing for those words...

Its a code name for sore losers-conservatives who end up supporting obama so they can whine that if their flawed candidate-and only their flawed candidate-had been nominated, he would have beat Obama
 
Rick San-Taliban-torum ???
last thing we need is a fundi/militant/fanatical Christian running this country.....
 
Rick San-Taliban-torum ???
last thing we need is a fundi/militant/fanatical Christian running this country.....

Do you proof read the crap you type before you post it? Because this is some insane stuff here.
 
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