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Race Now Over

I see now I need to Google Richard Farmer. I have several accounts with Cintas. I might not want my money supporting him.

Thanks for the tip TD.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's a really stupid position. Hard core social and financial conservatives like Richard Farmer-the guy who owns CINTAS and the Lindners-billionaires in Cincinnati are backing Romney because they believe he has the best economics background and is most able to turn the economy around. Rob Portman has also endorsed Romney as Has Eric Cantor. These people realize that ancillary and silly stuff like abortion, gay rights etc is meaningless if the country is bankrupt.

Judges, district and Appellate are picked by the leaders of the party that has the presidency at the state level

FOr example, if Romney, Santorum, Newt or Paul were to become president, Rob Portman's office would be the main decider on who would be a district judge in Ohio or a 6th Circuit Court of Appeal judge sitting in Ohio.

As to supreme court justices, the White House counsel along with people such as Peter Keisler and STeven calabresi (Federalist Society leadership) will play a major role no matter which GOPer is president
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im conservative but dont see romney as one,i see him the same as kerry,a political chamileon serving more flip flops than a house of pancakes.


i have no plan to vote for him,ill vote for a conservvative third party candidate or vote obama,if no viable third party candidate arises.
 
Zyphlin said:
I don't really see that during this primary season...

I see the more the the republican party pushes moderates the more conservative voters look for an alternative.

Unfortunately, the republicans are usually good at rallying around as single moderate where as the various conservative bodies each have their own favorite "alternative" candidate.

Look at most of the races. It's not been Romney in a run away most of the time. Its typically a split between various other candidates with Romney getting the largest of them all individually.
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A vast majority of Romney fans are 65+. I believe the reason we see it as it is is because of a strong support of Romney in the "baby boomer" age group while a strong opposition to all below it, causing what seems to be a rift.

Actually, look at this; despite Romney being behind Santorum and Gingrich, ONCE AGAIN, he wins the 65+ vote: Alabama Exit Poll

I can't be the only one seeing a pattern here.
 
Zyphlin said:
I don't really see that during this primary season...

I see the more the the republican party pushes moderates the more conservative voters look for an alternative.

Unfortunately, the republicans are usually good at rallying around as single moderate where as the various conservative bodies each have their own favorite "alternative" candidate.

Look at most of the races. It's not been Romney in a run away most of the time. Its typically a split between various other candidates with Romney getting the largest of them all individually.
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What it looks like is Romney will somehow pull the nomination out. That would be the last 2 presidential elections where the actual republican voters chose the moderate. So, despite all purity tests, all the far right positions, the actual members of the party went moderate.
 
cpwill said:
Current reporting is that Romney has won both Mississippi and Alabama by respectable margins. If that holds true, then this race is (un)officially done - Santorum will not be able to maintain the argument that he is a legitimate counter to Romney if he can't even win the Bible Belt.


Santorum (ugh) should at that point drop out of the race, or at least pour no more resources into attacking Romney, who will at that point be the GOP's nominee. Conservatives wishing to moan and b---h about having another squishy moderate/liberal as our Party's standard bearer (and I am one of them) are free to console ourselves with the fact that we had a chance to change that, and we appear to have elected not to do so.
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I guess then unofficially Obama has just won a second term.
 
Captain America said:
I see now I need to Google Richard Farmer. I have several accounts with Cintas. I might not want my money supporting him.

Thanks for the tip TD.
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I am sure that's gonna break his heart. In cincinnati you have three major sources of GOP support

You have the Lindners-Carl Jr died last year after making millions from United Dairy Farmers and Chiquita. He was a born again baptist. His oldest Son-Carl the third is a holy roller who pulled his kids out of Cincinnati's Best Prep school when it changed its "CHRISTMAS" celebration to a HOLIDAY Celebration (the school has had a strong Jewish presence for at least 50 years-Dave Frieberg of Quicksilver Messenger Service was a 1959 grad) and started his own Christian School called Cincinnati HIlls Christian Academy. Craig Linder is the smartest of C2's sons and is the brains behind the business. He is far less a bible thumper than his older brother and generally supports people based on their business agenda rather than issues like abortion

The Big Catholic Money in town is Dick Farmer. It is said Rob Portman became "pro life" (His family was big Planned Parenthood supporters-) due to Farmer.

The third pillar is the one I am in-the old WASP families who built cincinnati such as former Bush consigliere Dudley Taft (the Taft family), and the other such families who are often pro choice but like pro business politicians.

Right now all three are behind Romney
 
Redress said:
What it looks like is Romney will somehow pull the nomination out. That would be the last 2 presidential elections where the actual republican voters chose the moderate. So, despite all purity tests, all the far right positions, the actual members of the party went moderate.
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romney seems to be favored like mcain was in 08 and democrats favored kerry in 04.

none of those candidates were really supported by their parties voters,but rather voted in because they thought it would work best in ousting who they didnt want,in 04 they though a moderate that dems wouldnt unite around would beat bush,bush being about as popular as manure at the time won by a landslide,why?because dems chose what they viewed as a moderate safe chice to beat bush,and somehow the safe choice was less popular than bush.mcain practically the same except he was elected as a safe bet to defeat the democrats choice in candidate.

romney faces the same problem,he doesnt excite anyone,they view him as a safe bet to gain moderate votes but by this point hes probably got more republican base to agree to stay home than any amount of independant voters he would gain.

remember he still has to compete with obama on independant votes while exciting his base,he to this point has failed to do so much like mcain and kerry failed to do the same.
 
Redress said:
What it looks like is Romney will somehow pull the nomination out. That would be the last 2 presidential elections where the actual republican voters chose the moderate. So, despite all purity tests, all the far right positions, the actual members of the party went moderate.
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You probably know that there are two kinds of conservatives in the GOP

there are the social conservatives

they are sometimes economically conservative but some of them have populist trends that cause them to be pissed at the wealthy, especially the financial sector wealthy

than there are people like me who find stuff like abortion, gay rights to be a waste of time and something that really has no role in influencing how I vote. I am an economic conservative


people like us often prefer a sound business agenda even if they are "moderate" on gay marriage etc
 
beerftw said:
romney seems to be favored like mcain was in 08 and democrats favored kerry in 94.

none of those candidates were really supported by their parties voters,but rather voted in because they thought it would work best in ousting who they didnt want,in 04 they though a moderate that dems wouldnt unite around would beat bush,bush being about as popular as manure at the time won by a landslide,why?because dems chose what they viewed as a moderate safe chice to beat bush,and somehow the safe choice was less popular than bush.mcain practically the same except he was elected as a safe bet to defeat the democrats choice in candidate.

romney faces the same problem,he doesnt excite anyone,they view him as a safe bet to gain moderate votes but by this point hes probably got more republican base to agree to stay home than any amount of independant voters he would gain.

remember he still has to compete with obama on independant votes while exciting his base,he to this point has failed to do so much like mcain and kerry failed to do the same.
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who exactly is excited by an arrogant prick like Newt or a lightweight like santorum other than those who think they are picking a pastor rather than a president

Newt's changed faiths as much as he has changed wives

Santorum is a fiscal liberal and a social conservative-the worst of both worlds since he wants more of your money and he wants to be in your bedroom
 
TurtleDude said:
You probably know that there are two kinds of conservatives in the GOP

there are the social conservatives

they are sometimes economically conservative but some of them have populist trends that cause them to be pissed at the wealthy, especially the financial sector wealthy

than there are people like me who find stuff like abortion, gay rights to be a waste of time and something that really has no role in influencing how I vote. I am an economic conservative


people like us often prefer a sound business agenda even if they are "moderate" on gay marriage etc
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Is UHC a social conservative issue or an economic conservative issue?
 
TurtleDude said:
who exactly is excited by an arrogant prick like Newt or a lightweight like santorum other than those who think they are picking a pastor rather than a president

Newt's changed faiths as much as he has changed wives

Santorum is a fiscal liberal and a social conservative-the worst of both worlds since he wants more of your money and he wants to be in your bedroom
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my point is you cant win an election playing softy,you gotta make waves,gingrich and santorum make waves,whether they are good or bad waves they make em.romney makes no waves and just says what people want him to,haining independant voters and losing base support is like taking one step forward and two steps back,romney needs the base republican vote.he cant win an election by ignoring true conservatives but still expecting them to blindly follow him just because he has a (R) by his name,mcain and kerry are both proof of that
 
beerftw said:
my point is you cant win an election playing softy,you gotta make waves,gingrich and santorum make waves,whether they are good or bad waves they make em.romney makes no waves and just says what people want him to,haining independant voters and losing base support is like taking one step forward and two steps back,romney needs the base republican vote.he cant win an election by ignoring true conservatives but still expecting them to blindly follow him just because he has a (R) by his name,mcain and kerry are both proof of that
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santorum has pissed most of the independent and republican females off with his idiocy about making a rape victim carry a pregnancy to terms

and how can a social conservative support Newt and his screwing around?


any "true conservative" who votes third party or for Obama is as bad as any socialist
 
TurtleDude said:
Its an issue that both types of conservatives oppose
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Sorry, I'm trying to figure out what policies differentiate these social conservatives from the economic ones.

For example, Romney was the first to push a UHC plan that is the equivalent of what the GOP is now fighting.
 
This thread was started at 2:10 today.

Now Santorum has won Alabama.

Is favored to win in Mississippi. Romney is in third place. Seems Mississippi actually prefers Newt over him.
 
Republic Now! said:
Sorry, I'm trying to figure out what policies differentiate these social conservatives from the economic ones.

For example, Romney was the first to push a UHC plan that is the equivalent of what the GOP is now fighting.
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The tenth amendment is a major issue in this area.

winning the white house is the most important issue. Do you think someone other than Romney has a better chance of winning?
 
TurtleDude said:
santorum has pissed most of the independent and republican females off with his idiocy about making a rape victim carry a pregnancy to terms

and how can a social conservative support Newt and his screwing around?


any "true conservative" who votes third party or for Obama is as bad as any socialist
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checking in the unfinished poll results,santorum had the majority of women voters on his side in alabama,in mississipi romney had the majority of women voters.


also all these claims about women being prochoice,did you know the last study i read shows the majority of women are against abortion?also women tend to be twice as religious as men do.

maybe you should read studies on what women are supported rather than what the left and right say they think they support.to alot of people banning abortion is bad,to alot of women they cant emotionally support killing something thats a part of them.call me sexist if you want,it doesnt change the fact the majority of women,i believe last time i checked it was around 58%,would not support abortion under any circumstances.

trust me last few times i went to church women greatly outnumbered men(great for me i could pick up single women all day :) )female voters are definitaley more religious but tend to me more liberal on most other issues,and based on all studies ive read are very unpredictable on what they will support,so anyone claiming to say they scare women voters are the same as those who dont understand women on a date.and trust me i dont understand what they want,if you ask a female they dont know what they want,they actually do but its a norm of society to know what they want and to be the man and take charge.
 
TurtleDude said:
The tenth amendment is a major issue in this area.
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I'd accept that argument if it wasn't for this.

Also, it seems that if a policy, as you stated, is opposed by all conservatives, that a conservative would not enact it at any level. If, for example, I were to enact a progressive tax, but it was only for my state, would that be "conservative" simply because I'm doing it at the state level instead of the federal? I don't think it's a very conservative policy regardless of where it's done. I don't think the UHC at the state level has the same legal issues, as per the tenth amendment, but I certainly think that the legality of it does not make it any more conservative.


winning the white house is the most important issue. Do you think someone other than Romney has a better chance of winning?
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I don't think "winning the white house" means anything unless the person in the white house sees eye-to-eye with conservatives.
 
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Redress said:
No it was not. Several candidates had a chance to win.

Does any one else find it amusing that the more certain people try and push the republican party to the right, the more republican voters pick moderates?
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Or a moderate who pretends to be a social conservative while speaking in the dark red states.... A chameleon in other words. Zelig.
 
Republic Now! said:
I'd accept that argument if it wasn't for this.

Also, it seems that if a policy, as you stated, is opposed by all conservatives, that a conservative would not enact it at any level. If, for example, I were to enact a progressive tax, but it was only for my state, would that be "conservative" simply because I'm doing it at the state level instead of the federal? I don't think it's a very conservative policy regardless of where it's done. I don't think the UHC at the state level has the same legal issues, as per the tenth amendment, but I certainly think that the legality of it does not make it any more conservative.




I don't think "winning the white house" means anything unless the person in the white house sees eye-to-eye with conservatives.
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I am a pragmatist-winning is more important than losing. and Santorum and Newt both have issues where they jumped in bed with the dems



I will vote for a dead hamster over Obama because a dead hamster will give me the same better judges any other Republican would

that's the difference between me and the purists. They put their own sense of self righteousness above winning. They are worthless allies
 
Since Santorum has been declared the winner in Mississippi and is leading Alabama over Gingrich in second the OP doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am a pragmatist-winning is more important than losing. and Santorum and Newt both have issues where they jumped in bed with the dems



I will vote for a dead hamster over Obama because a dead hamster will give me the same better judges any other Republican would

that's the difference between me and the purists. They put their own sense of self righteousness above winning. They are worthless allies
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but if hes getting more money than other candidates and has policies identical to obama and bush,hell just keep the status quo going,if gingrich and santorum fail atleast they will fail in a different way than obama orr bush,rather than pushing 16 years of failed policy like romney wants,
 
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