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Texas Voter-Identification Law Is Blocked by Justice Department as Biased

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This from the New York Times...

"The department said the law clearly disadvantages Hispanic voters, who lack photo ID’s at a much higher rate than the state’s overall population. The Voting Rights Act requires that states and counties with a history of racial discrimination prove that new voting laws don’t discriminate in purpose or effect, and Texas was unable to meet that test.[...]
In a letter to Texas elections officials, the Justice Department said the state submitted no evidence that it is suffering from a voter-impersonation problem that would be solved with an ID requirement. But, at the department’s request, Texas did submit data showing how the requirement would affect Hispanic voters, and the numbers were disturbing. Nearly 11 percent of Hispanic registered voters lack a driver’s license or government-issued card, compared with nearly 5 percent of non-Hispanic voters. "
 
Success without Values is nothing worth bragging about mega.
Do you mean follow the leader lemming right wing values with no creative thoughts in their heads? What do you mean by values? Share with the class.
 
Do you mean follow the leader lemming right wing values with no creative thoughts in their heads? What do you mean by values? Share with the class.

I mean the Traditional Western Values that WERE the basis of pretty much every society in the Western World until about 100 years ago when they were completely and totally flushed down the toilet. Let's just say that I doubt you agree with very many of them from what I've seen of your postings.
 
This from the New York Times...

"The department said the law clearly disadvantages Hispanic voters, who lack photo ID’s at a much higher rate than the state’s overall population. The Voting Rights Act requires that states and counties with a history of racial discrimination prove that new voting laws don’t discriminate in purpose or effect, and Texas was unable to meet that test.[...]
In a letter to Texas elections officials, the Justice Department said the state submitted no evidence that it is suffering from a voter-impersonation problem that would be solved with an ID requirement. But, at the department’s request, Texas did submit data showing how the requirement would affect Hispanic voters, and the numbers were disturbing. Nearly 11 percent of Hispanic registered voters lack a driver’s license or government-issued card, compared with nearly 5 percent of non-Hispanic voters. "

How would Texas know there was a voter impersonation problem if they arent allowed to verify identities?
 
I mean the Traditional Western Values that WERE the basis of pretty much every society in the Western World until about 100 years ago when they were completely and totally flushed down the toilet. Let's just say that I doubt you agree with very many of them from what I've seen of your postings.


Yep those western values 100 years ago, such as no labor laws, women can't vote, blacks can't vote and treated as subpar species, where a woman was completely subordinate to the man. Sorry Tigger, those days (thankfully) are gone.

You're right that we flushed those down the toilet, to bad we can't flush down the people that still think that way.
 
How would Texas know there was a voter impersonation problem if they arent allowed to verify identities?

As I've mentioned before, they do check votes after the fact to verify that people haven't voted twice, that the names match addresses, that dead people haven't voted. These checks would turn up problems if there was a significant voter impersonation problem.
 
I mean the Traditional Western Values that WERE the basis of pretty much every society in the Western World until about 100 years ago when they were completely and totally flushed down the toilet. Let's just say that I doubt you agree with very many of them from what I've seen of your postings.

What values are you talking about? Give me a clue. You know that everyone has a different guideline for their life. You may be surprised what I think. Values are individual and many do match up from person to person. Morals are nothing more than some made up standard that lasts for a time and is ever in flux. So what values do you mean?

Sounds to me like you would roll back the system 100 years and lose civil rights for blacks, voting rights for women and gay rights pretty much. It would be the great white American male nation again. Is that what you mean?
 
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Actually, I'm looking for the one GEPer who will stand up and say "Because of this we need a National ID card that every citizen must carry with them at all times and produce on demand to any LEO.

I saw that in a movie once. Was it 1984 or... some future dystopia.
 
What values are you talking about? Give me a clue. You know that everyone has a different guideline for their life. You may be surprised what I think. Values are individual and many do match up from person to person. Morals are nothing more than some made up standard that lasts for a time and is ever in flux. So what values do you mean?

Sounds to me like you would roll back the system 100 years and lose civil rights for blacks, voting rights for women and gay rights pretty much. It would be the great white American male nation again. Is that what you mean?

With the exception of the racial connotation, you would be correct. I'm talking about returning the United States to being a society of Conservative, American (not hyphenated american or pseudo-american), Males.
 
As I've mentioned before, they do check votes after the fact to verify that people haven't voted twice, that the names match addresses, that dead people haven't voted. These checks would turn up problems if there was a significant voter impersonation problem.

But how would they know if someone voted for someone else? In the last presidential election, 40% of registered texas voters didnt vote. If you dont have to prove you are one of those people you could exploit 8 million votes. Why exactly cant registered voters in Texas prove their identity when voting? What hardship is it causing them? Every election, both parties claim fraud. Do you trust the honor system?
 
With the exception of the racial connotation, you would be correct. I'm talking about returning the United States to being a society of Conservative, American (not hyphenated american or pseudo-american), Males.
You are talking about a nation of non-thinkers steeped in the ruble around them which was no civil rights, no women's vote and anti-gay. That is the kind of America you are talking about. When you added the voices of those discriminated against you added the quality that is America. The white racist, anti-woman, and anti-gay America needs to see the door even faster than it is. That white straight male America that you speak of was steeped in bigotry and hate. No one wants it beyond the followers and hive mind right wing religious right. Have you ever heard the word freedom. It's for everyone. Not some special class outdated by 100 years.
 
With the exception of the racial connotation, you would be correct. I'm talking about returning the United States to being a society of Conservative, American (not hyphenated american or pseudo-american), Males.

Ah, but 100 years ago race, sex AND appearence mattered. That's what you said you want to return to. Also keep in mind 100 years ago, someone that looked like you (not trying to offend you), would only be able to find a job in a circus as a freak.

Is that really the world you want to return to? Intolerance, bigotry, and sexist?

Sounds like you just want to pick and choose your values of 100 years ago to me.

No, thank you. I'll take the world we live in now where gay people, blacks, women, and someone like you can be judged by their actions, not appearance or sex.
 
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You are talking about a nation of non-thinkers steeped in the ruble around them which was no civil rights, no women's vote and anti-gay. That is the kind of America you are talking about. When you added the voices of those discriminated against you added the quality that is America. The white racist, anti-woman, and anti-gay America needs to see the door even faster than it is. That white straight male America that you speak of was steeped in bigotry and hate. No one wants it beyond the followers and hive mind right wing religious right. Have you ever heard the word freedom. It's for everyone. Not some special class outdated by 100 years.

Again, you are including a factor which I would not. Race is not an issue for me. Black, Caucasian, Asian, Hispanic, etc... makes no difference to me. Gender, Nationality, and Socio-Political Philosophy are the factors that I believe are important.

I am familiar with the word. I see it as most properly a PRIVILEGE of those who have proven they ability to maintain their appropriate place in society through thought, word, and deed.


Ah, but 100 years ago race, sex AND appearence mattered. That's what you said you want to return to. Also keep in mind 100 years ago, someone that looked like you (not trying to offend you), would only be able to find a job in a circus as a freak.

Is that really the world you want to return to? Intolerance, bigotry, and sexist? Sounds like you just want to pick and choose your values of 100 years ago to me.

100 years ago I would have been DEAD before the age of five, and I'm actually fine with that. The only one of those ideals that I do not see having a place is the racial issue. So please make certain that you actually know where my beliefs stand before you criticise them.

No, thank you. I'll take the world we live in now where gay people, blacks, women, and someone like you can be judged by their actions, not appearance or sex.

Obviously we aren't ever going to be living in the same Utopia, TNE.
 
With the exception of the racial connotation, you would be correct. I'm talking about returning the United States to being a society of Conservative, American (not hyphenated american or pseudo-american), Males.

So Irish-Americans can't vote either? Italian-Americans (somebody better tell Santorum)?

Everybody's hyphenated. Always have been, always will be. You want to return the United States to something that never existed here.
 
The only one of those ideals that I do not see having a place is the racial issue. So please make certain that you actually know where my beliefs stand before you criticise them.

I am only going off what you said. You said you wanted to return to an America 100 years ago. Race WAS a factor and you cannot dismiss that when saying you want the same America 100 years ago, unless you are picking and choosing values which is not the same thing.

Obviously we aren't ever going to be living in the same Utopia, TNE.

Obviously not, but I'm closer to living mine than you ever will be to yours.
 
So Irish-Americans can't vote either? Italian-Americans (somebody better tell Santorum)?

Everybody's hyphenated. Always have been, always will be. You want to return the United States to something that never existed here.

What Tigger probably doesn't realize is that the immigration RATE was much much higher 100 years ago, as a percentage of the population.

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Again, you are including a factor which I would not. Race is not an issue for me. Black, Caucasian, Asian, Hispanic, etc... makes no difference to me. Gender, Nationality, and Socio-Political Philosophy are the factors that I believe are important.

I am familiar with the word. I see it as most properly a PRIVILEGE of those who have proven they ability to maintain their appropriate place in society through thought, word, and deed.




100 years ago I would have been DEAD before the age of five, and I'm actually fine with that. The only one of those ideals that I do not see having a place is the racial issue. So please make certain that you actually know where my beliefs stand before you criticise them.



Obviously we aren't ever going to be living in the same Utopia, TNE.

You can't have it both ways. You want things as they were 100 years ago, you say in one breath and then you proceed to tell us that's not what you want. What do you want? What is it? You stated 100 years ago. I didn't make up that number. Now you don't want that.
 
tessaesque said:
Why? You need photo ID to do so many things in this country....from gaining access to a bar or an 18+ concert, buying cigarettes or alcohol, renting a hotel room, getting a library card, registering your kids for school, verifying identity for employment, government benefits, or other services, etc., etc., etc.
Yet, millions are happy and get along just fine without it. Everyone's requirements aren't the same as yours or mine.;)
 
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Yep those western values 100 years ago, such as no labor laws, women can't vote, blacks can't vote and treated as subpar species, where a woman was completely subordinate to the man. Sorry Tigger, those days (thankfully) are gone.

LOL, yeah as my spry, lives alone, mows her own yard 85 year old Aunt says - 'Good ol' days? The hell with the 'good ol' days, these are the good ol' days'.
 
First let me say, I have always been asked for an ID here in Texas to vote.
There was a statement on the news that more than 50% of Hispanics did not have some sort of ID.
I found this unbelievable, as I have never met or worked with anyone who did not carry some type of ID.
Even the people I knew were illegal, had ID's. ( how else do they buy their beer)
If we had a 100% voter rate, this would not be an issue, But we have between a 35-45% voter rate.
This means any good statistician could get you a list of who is least likely to show up to vote.
Proxies could be substituted wholesale, and maybe change the outcome of an election.
Keep in mind, a few hundred votes in the right precinct, could throw a state one way or another.
 
So Irish-Americans can't vote either? Italian-Americans (somebody better tell Santorum)?

Everybody's hyphenated. Always have been, always will be. You want to return the United States to something that never existed here.

Anyone who self-identifies as anything other than an AMERICAN would be barred from voting. I have ancestors from more than half a dozen different countries. I do not identify with ANY of those countries. I'm an AMERICAN. I was born and raised here. I have zero connection to any of those places. I am not a German-American, an Irish-American, a Norwegian-American or anything of the like. My sole loyalty and identification is as an AMERICAN, as is ALL true AMERICANS.


I am only going off what you said. You said you wanted to return to an America 100 years ago. Race WAS a factor and you cannot dismiss that when saying you want the same America 100 years ago, unless you are picking and choosing values which is not the same thing.

As I've said, that's the one issue I would resolve. Given the option of having an all or nothing choice, I'll take the all. It would sadden me to have to do that, but if it was giving up on correcting the race issue to correct all the others, there wouldn't even be a moment's hesitation in my mind.

Obviously not, but I'm closer to living mine than you ever will be to yours.

That's life. By the way, I notice that you chose not to respond to the part of my post inbetween these two lines. Interesting.


You can't have it both ways. You want things as they were 100 years ago, you say in one breath and then you proceed to tell us that's not what you want. What do you want? What is it? You stated 100 years ago. I didn't make up that number. Now you don't want that.

As I mentioned above, the racial issue is the one part of that time period that I would prefer today over then. If I was given an all or nothing choice, I'd take that one problem to fix the others that would be corrected by going back to that society. I would have thought that was basic logic from reading my prior comments, but apparently not.
 
First let me say, I have always been asked for an ID here in Texas to vote.
There was a statement on the news that more than 50% of Hispanics did not have some sort of ID.
I found this unbelievable, as I have never met or worked with anyone who did not carry some type of ID.
Even the people I knew were illegal, had ID's. ( how else do they buy their beer)
If we had a 100% voter rate, this would not be an issue, But we have between a 35-45% voter rate.
This means any good statistician could get you a list of who is least likely to show up to vote.
Proxies could be substituted wholesale, and maybe change the outcome of an election.
Keep in mind, a few hundred votes in the right precinct, could throw a state one way or another.
And yet, Texas officials could not provide evidence to support your (their) contention.
 
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As I've said, that's the one issue I would resolve. Given the option of having an all or nothing choice, I'll take the all. It would sadden me to have to do that, but if it was giving up on correcting the race issue to correct all the others, there wouldn't even be a moment's hesitation in my mind.

So you would sacrifice one of your values (race not being a concern) so that you could have the rest. I thought you said you would rather be dead than to sacrifice your values?

This is what I mean when I talk to you about consistency. I just don't see it with you.


That's life. By the way, I notice that you chose not to respond to the part of my post inbetween these two lines. Interesting.

Not sure which part you are referring to, I thought I responded to all your comments to me. Please let me know which one and I will.
 
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