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Latino voters favor Obama 6-1 over any current Republican nominee

Mickey Shane said:
What does this have to do with Obama polling yes for 1 in 6 Latinos?
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Uh maybe you should spend a few more minutes going back in the thread and you'd have your answer
 
Kal'Stang said:
Ah yes...the "shift the blame" tactic. Facts are facts. It is a fact that the Democrats of the time supported that stuff.
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You want to use history that you don't understand. I could go into the Civil Rights Bill voting record and show you just how wrong you are, showing you how Northern Dems voted in favor while Southern Dems voted against it, but why bother...you are not a student of history.



Awww, poor hispanics can't have a history course dedicated to them and MLK day wasn't approved...wah. I've always considered any day month that was dedicated to any particular race to be racist in itself considering if we had a "White history" month then the cries of racism would be cried so loud that they could hear it on Pluto. Not to mention that I think that such days/months are part of the reasons that racism is still alive today. IMO ALL history should be taught with no special attention drawn to any race period.
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Wow...not only do you not know what racism is, you again show how you view history education.....but then that is not a surprise for someone who has to deny history for his argument.
History is ALWAYS written from the winner's POV, US history in the textbooks we grew up with was White history in the US.

But anytime you want to debate AZ history and its treatment of Hispanics, you let me know.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Awww, poor hispanics can't have a history course dedicated to them and MLK day wasn't approved...wah. I've always considered any day month that was dedicated to any particular race to be racist in itself
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And this attitude is exactly why minorities will continue to vote Democrat until conservatives learn to accept the views of people of other cultures.

considering if we had a "White history" month then the cries of racism would be cried so loud that they could hear it on Pluto.
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We already have White History Month. It's called every month of the year. :roll:

Not to mention that I think that such days/months are part of the reasons that racism is still alive today. IMO ALL history should be taught with no special attention drawn to any race period.
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Have you opened a US History book lately? Virtually everyone who is discussed is white...and the few that aren't are either civil rights leaders or enemies. If you don't want "any special attention drawn to any race period," you're going to be hard-pressed to find a US history book that doesn't overwhelmingly focus on white people.

Even many "world history" textbooks focus almost exclusively on Europe and North America...with maybe a token chapter thrown in about China or the Middle East.
 
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Sparky said:
Oh so based on your skewd sense of logic, if a woman reported to the police that she's been raped by a black man and in order to catch that rapist who is still at large in that area, cops should not racial profile by being on a look out for a black man but instead conduct their investigation by questioning caucasions that have criminal backgrounds?
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No, they should be looking for a specific perpetrator, and they should be using accurate physical descriptors, not "race."

Given your commitment to willful illiteracy, this may be hard for you to swallow, but "race" is not a neutral physical descriptor; it is a political fiction with only tangential relationship to appearance.

Using "a black male" as a description of a suspect leaves a window that stretches from Sinbad to Shaq, from Thurgood Marshall to Dave Chapelle. Never mind the fact that each of those four individuals looks more different than alike.

In any case, you've failed to meet the minimum quality standards for a reasonable conversation, so goodbye.
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't find this surprising: The dems have done a good job, along with their latino allies, in convincing legal immigrants that attempts to stop illegal immigration is anti hispanic. Plus, the dems benefit from illegal voting
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I do not find this surprising. The Democrats have done an excellent job of representing the interests of the common working person and that description fits most Hispanics and latinos. Plus the Democrats support voting rights under the Constitution of the USA which the right wing is trying to urinate upon to gain an advantage in elections through disenfranchising Hispanic voters.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You want to use history you don't understand. I could go into the Civil Rights Bill voting record and show you just how wrong you are, showing you how Northern Dems voted in favor while Southern Dems voted against it, but why bother...you are not a student of history.
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So you got nothing. Gotcha.

Gimmesometruth said:
Wow...not only do you not know what racism is, you again show how you view history education.....but then that is not a surprise for someone who has to deny history for his argument.
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Know whats funny here? You claim that I don't know what racism is and yet you are using it incorrectly.


The definition for racism is....

A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

(I know the definition by heart due to people like you.)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Proof please.
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I don't need to provide you with any "proof", Judge Bolton struck down provisions of SB1070 because she found that the law would cause discrimination.

Again, you are requesting historical evidence.....and I have seen how you process history.
 
Kandahar said:
And this attitude is exactly why minorities will continue to vote Democrat until conservatives learn to accept the views of people of other cultures.
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Sorry, I don't subscribe to racist policies just because some group or other wants special treatment.

Kandahar said:
We already have White History Month. It's called every month of the year. :roll:
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Prove it. I've seen black history month, MLK day, I've seen cinco de mayo day, Obama even endorsed a hispanic history month....but I have yet to see a day or month dedicated solely to whites. That "every month of the year" thing you said is BS for the simple fact that no month is dedicated solely to whites. And never will be. (at least I hope not)

Kandahar said:
Have you opened a US History book? Virtually everyone who is discussed is white...and the few that aren't are either civil rights leaders or enemies. If you don't want "any special attention drawn to any race period," you're going to be hard-pressed to find a US history book that doesn't overwhelmingly focus on white people.

Even many "world history" textbooks focus almost exclusively on Europe and North America...with maybe a token chapter thrown in about China or the Middle East.
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Don't know what education you had but I had a wide variety of education in the history department. In the US history course I was taught about black inventors (my favorite was Granville Woods) and leaders, including the Civil Rights movement where MLK was prominent. Never took world history classes though.
 
Kal'Stang said:
So you got nothing. Gotcha.
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No, I have it all, but as I said before, it is pointless to provide you with historical evidence.



Know whats funny here? You claim that I don't know what racism is and yet you are using it incorrectly.


The definition for racism is....

A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

(I know the definition by heart due to people like you.)
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Your argument is that a holiday for MLK is racist, but it was for the man and his achievements, just as the holiday for Lincoln was for his achievements....not for his race.

Do you see how memorizing a definition is no help for understanding its use?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Sorry, I don't subscribe to racist policies just because some group or other wants special treatment.
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Equal treatment is special treatment?



Prove it. I've seen black history month, MLK day, I've seen cinco de mayo day, Obama even endorsed a hispanic history month....but I have yet to see a day or month dedicated solely to whites. That "every month of the year" thing you said is BS for the simple fact that no month is dedicated solely to whites. And never will be. (at least I hope not) Don't know what education you had but I had a wide variety of education in the history department. In the US history course I was taught about black inventors (my favorite was Granville Woods) and leaders, including the Civil Rights movement where MLK was prominent. Never took world history classes though.
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Again, you are answering from a viewpoint with zero historical perspective. US history has always been told from the WASP viewpoint.
 
Kandahar said:
We already have White History Month. It's called every month of the year. :roll:
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What's wrong, consumed by you misguided white guilt ? :roll:
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I don't need to provide you with any "proof", Judge Bolton struck down provisions of SB1070 because she found that the law would cause discrimination.

Again, you are requesting historical evidence.....and I have seen how you process history.
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So again, you have nothing. Its funny how proponents of illegal immigration always refuse to show actual evidence. The reason that Judge Bolton Struck down those provisions had nothing to do with possible discrimination but because she believed that they intruded upon area's that are better left up to the federal law enforcement or should be left up to a judges ruling and not on a local law enforcement officers ruling.
 
saying its pointless to show historical proof is the same as saying you have none.
how do we know you didnt just snip out what proved your point and ignored any and all other historical evidence,wow actually that sounds like fox news maybe you should report for them.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Equal treatment is special treatment?
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If it was "equal treatment" then there would be a "white history month/day" dedicated solely to whites along with all those other idiotic months/days dedicated to some race or other. Or there would be absolutely no month/day dedicated to any race period.

Gimmesometruth said:
Again, you are answering from a viewpoint with zero historical perspective. US history has always been told from the WASP viewpoint.
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Sure, and thats why I learned all about MLK, Rosa Parks, Granville Woods, the Underground Railroad, and many many other things huh?
 
Kal'Stang said:
So again, you have nothing. Its funny how proponents of illegal immigration always refuse to show actual evidence. The reason that Judge Bolton Struck down those provisions had nothing to do with possible discrimination but because she believed that they intruded upon area's that are better left up to the federal law enforcement or should be left up to a judges ruling and not on a local law enforcement officers ruling.
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Again, I don't need to pride you with proof, you show over and over what history you retain, but for kicks, just to prove how you process information, I'll post this bit...
Judge Susan Bolton said:
requiring police to check the immigration status of those they arrest or whom they stop and suspect are in the country undocumented would overwhelm the federal government's ability to respond, and could mean legal immigrants are wrongly arrested.
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Kal'Stang said:
If it was "equal treatment" then there would be a "white history month/day" dedicated solely to whites along with all those other idiotic months/days dedicated to some race or other. Or there would be absolutely no month/day dedicated to any race period.
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Again...you are coming at this with zero historical perspective and still making the false accusation that MLK day is celebrated for his race.



Sure, and thats why I learned all about MLK, Rosa Parks, Granville Woods, the Underground Railroad, and many many other things huh?
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Oh, there have been changes made in the way US history is portrayed in the textbooks, no doubt about it. Again, since you cannot acknowledge this, you are proving my point.
 
It seems like the Republican Southern Strategy is now backfiring. Nixon and Reagan are probably rolling in their graves. With the rise of a more "colorful" American voting base and the shrinking white Southern base, Republicans now have to chose between winning elections or continuing down a path that demands they pander to a white, uneducated, lower middle class base. I predict that in the next few decades Republicans will either tone down the anti-Mexican rhetoric or simply shift their focus to another issue they can rally support from.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
No link? Yeah...not surprised.
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Oh no...not only are you showing your history skills in this thread, but also your internet skills.

You just need everything handed to you on silver plate.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh no...not only are you showing your history skills in this thread, but also your internet skills.

You just need everything handed to you on silver plate.
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You made the claim, you need to provide proof. Since you have said that Judge Bolton said those words (even going so far as to making it into a quote as if thats her exact words) then you are required to provide proof.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh no...not only are you showing your history skills in this thread, but also your internet skills.

You just need everything handed to you on silver plate.
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linking something is pretty much common coutesy in a debate unless evidence is very concrete in everyones mind,which in your case it really isnt.



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I don't know what is more disgusting, genuine racism or the dispicable baseless racebating attacks towards good decent folks from the always so hostile Liberals.
 
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