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Romney 48, Obama 42; Santorum 46, Obama 45.

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among likely voters. voters, after all, being the ones who count. still in the middle of the (R) primary, no less, with the conservatives busy beating up on each other.


...For the third consecutive day, Mitt Romney leads President Obama by five points in a hypothetical 2012 matchup. It is still, however, too early to tell if these results reflect a lasting change in the race or are merely statistical noise. Today's numbers show Romney at 48%, Obama at 42%. That matches the largest lead Romney has ever enjoyed over the president...

Romney’s support among Republican voters has moved up to 83%, just about matching the president’s 84% support among Democrats. However, only six percent (6%) of GOP voters would vote for Obama if Romney is the nominee. Twice as many Democrats (12%) would cross party lines to vote for Romney. The former governor of Massachusetts also has an eight-point advantage among unaffiliated voters.


If Rick Santorum is the Republican nominee, he is up by one point over the president, 45% to 44%. He receives 77% support from Republican voters and is up three among unaffiliateds. Santorum and Romney are the only Republican candidates to lead the president more than one time in the polls....
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Your link is to Obama's approval rating poll. Being in the middle of the republican primary is the time when republicans would likely do best.
 
RCP numbers(much more worthwhile, but still not much do to the election being 8 ****ing months away:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama
Romney loses to Obama by 3.8 %. Only Rassmussen among recent polls has Romney ahead.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Gingrich vs. Obama
Gingrich loses to Obama by 11.8. No recent poll shows him winning.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Santorum vs. Obama
Santorum loses to Obama by 6 %. He does however lead in 2 of the recent polls, Rassmussen and USA Today/Gallop.

Until after the conventions, poll numbers liek these however are totally ****ing useless except to try and use for propaganda.
 
I knew some republican on here would drool over ONE poll showing Romney ahead of Obama. Rasmussen does the polling, they are actually claiming this is just a spoof in the satistics and expect Obama to come back strong in the near future due to the good jobs report. You need to use the averages, not just one poll. If you use the averages Obama leads romney by 4 points. RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama
 
Redress said:
RCP numbers(much more worthwhile, but still not much do to the election being 8 ****ing months away:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama
Romney loses to Obama by 3.8 %. Only Rassmussen among recent polls has Romney ahead.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Gingrich vs. Obama
Gingrich loses to Obama by 11.8. No recent poll shows him winning.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Santorum vs. Obama
Santorum loses to Obama by 6 %. He does however lead in 2 of the recent polls, Rassmussen and USA Today/Gallop.

Until after the conventions, poll numbers liek these however are totally ****ing useless except to try and use for propaganda.
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Yep, at this point, this poll would be considered an outlier until there is substantial supporting evidence, which there is not.

Romney is not winning the election unless the US economy backslides....
 
Dont you know that polls only matter when they show Obama winning?
 
cpwill said:
among likely voters. voters, after all, being the ones who count. still in the middle of the (R) primary, no less, with the conservatives busy beating up on each other.
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Pass the crack pipe if you actually think this is what will happen.
 
VanceMack said:
Dont you know that polls only matter when they show Obama winning?
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Sure thing. So enlighten us all. You actually believe Mittens is going to beat Obama? And you claim you're Independent?

Might be your best material yet.
 
Redress said:
Your link is to Obama's approval rating poll. Being in the middle of the republican primary is the time when republicans would likely do best.
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And they aren't going to mean anything since the Republicans are spending so much money for the nomination that they won't have as much to use for campaign ads in the general election.
 
cpwill said:
among likely voters. voters, after all, being the ones who count. still in the middle of the (R) primary, no less, with the conservatives busy beating up on each other.
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Just to be clear, by "likely voters," you actually mean "what Rasmussen's methodology defines as likely voters." Let's clear that up right now.
 
Top Cat said:
Sure thing. So enlighten us all. You actually believe Mittens is going to beat Obama? And you claim you're Independent?

Might be your best material yet.
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Nope...I have said I dont know how many times that I am reasonably certain Obama wins reelection. Not the point. How quickly people like you fawn over the probama polls but readily dismiss ANYTHING to the contrary. THATS the comic gem.
 
VanceMack said:
Dont you know that polls only matter when they show Obama winning?
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Most polls show Obama winning. They are meaningless at this point too. Nice try, thanks for playing, better luck next time.
 
Polls showing national numbers are stupid. They mean nothing to the national picture. The US votes by state. The only polls that give any sort of idea are those that show those numbers. It's a waste of time looking at polls which do not reflect the electoral mix. That's the number that wins elections for Presidents.
 
VanceMack said:
Nope...I have said I dont know how many times that I am reasonably certain Obama wins reelection. Not the point.
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If that's not the point, then you didn't have one.

How quickly people like you fawn over the probama polls but readily dismiss ANYTHING to the contrary. THATS the comic gem.
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The joke and the egg is on you. The one fawning about the poll was you, not me. You brought it up. I only laughed at you for bringing it up.

Weak even by your usual low standards.
 
Top Cat said:
If that's not the point, then you didn't have one.



The joke and the egg is on you. The one fawning about the poll was you, not me. You brought it up. I only laughed at you for bringing it up.

Weak even by your usual low standards.
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Actually the OP brought it up. but I get why you respond the way you do...U mad...you know you are. And that **** is funny as hell!
 
At this point, I really don't see Obama losing. He's not my choice, nor is any of these in the GOP primary but those GOP guys have been basically running for office for a couple years, leaders have changed over and over, the turnout has been mostly very low and Obama hasn't really started campaigning. On top of that he's got the incumbency advantage and a cash load that will be unbelievable to overcome. The only folks I've seen that believe Obama will lose are those who hated him in 2008 and now REALLY REALLY hate him and don't seem to be able to grasp that votes don't grow by their level of anger. No matter how angry a person is it's still just one vote.
 
poweRob said:
Rassmussen polling skewed toward Republican favor? Ya don't say. lol
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given that there is a heavier overlap between "Republicans" and "People Likely To Actually Show Up And Vote". ;)
 
Polls don't really matter until near the election. But with $8 a gallon of gas in november, I think Obama is a loser.
 
While the only poll that matters is the one done in November by people voting, I do find it rather telling that most polls have Obama winning in an election that should be a landslide for the GOP given Obama's record.

This shows clearly that the GOP has made some big mistakes in their choice I think.
 
Again, people are less apt at actually seeing usable data and more apt on pushing their particular partisan issues or points.

We know of the inherent bias present in the methodology that Rassmussen uses, which means its easy to account for while still looking for meaning in the polls.

The fact that Rassmussen is showing Romney climbing in terms of approval ratings with conservatives is a good sign for him...regardless of the polling company. Romney's big issue is captivating the base and driving them to donate/vote/spread word of mouth. Getting an improved standing with them is a positive sign for him.

In terms of anything versus Obama...as others have said, its pointless this far out. There's legitimate arguments to be made for why either should be higher at this point. But ultimately, the polls right now don't matter to much in terms of the direct head to head. They're much better for looking for more recent and immediete trends.
 
Certainly it's a good sign for Romney's primary bid if he's catching on with consevatives. But watch out in the general when he starts running back to the middle....
 
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