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What Super Tuesday results means for the GOP - A strategy

digsbe said:
We need a moderate/centrist. A hyper-conservative or hyper-liberal president will only hurt the nation and halt recovery.
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We need a moderate/centrist about as much as we need a dirty bomb to go off in Times Square at 11:59pm on New Year's Eve. Please show me a list of the Great Moderates in history. There aren't any. That's because to be Great requires taking a stand on principles, not standing on the fence. This country is as divided as it ever has been. Eventually there is going to be a real conflict (physical, political, or both) and one side is going to have to Lose in order for the nation to continue moving on. Right now we're stuck in a quagmire. Until that conflict is resolved one way or the other we're going to be stuck here in neutral.
 
Tigger said:
We need a moderate/centrist about as much as we need a dirty bomb to go off in Times Square at 11:59pm on New Year's Eve. Please show me a list of the Great Moderates in history. There aren't any. That's because to be Great requires taking a stand on principles, not standing on the fence. This country is as divided as it ever has been. Eventually there is going to be a real conflict (physical, political, or both) and one side is going to have to Lose in order for the nation to continue moving on. Right now we're stuck in a quagmire. Until that conflict is resolved one way or the other we're going to be stuck here in neutral.
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bill clinton was a moderate, and obama is governing like a moderate.
 
liblady said:
bill clinton was a moderate, and obama is governing like a moderate.
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Thank you for making my point, liblady. Those two individuals have done nothing to right the sinking ship this nation has been since the Lincoln Administration.
 
Tigger said:
Thank you for making my point, liblady. Those two individuals have done nothing to right the sinking ship this nation has been since the Lincoln Administration.
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bs. clinton was a good president, period. the jury is still out on obama, but it's looking up, certainly. the type of country you want to live in does not exist and i hope it never does again.
 
Erod said:
It's damn hard to get people to vote against the welfare check provider.
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LOL That's like saying Romney can win because the Billionaires will vote for him. I can guarantee that the Reps. will lose House and Senate seats too. The people have wised up to the T's real agenda and we could easily see a reversal of 2010. Congress has single digit approval ratings because of the T's obstructionism. Cutting SS and Medicare to fund further tax cuts for the 1% is just not a viable plan I'm afraid.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL That's like saying Romney can win because the Billionaires will vote for him. I can guarantee that the Reps. will lose House and Senate seats too. The people have wised up to the T's real agenda and we could easily see a reversal of 2010. Congress has single digit approval ratings because of the T's obstructionism. Cutting SS and Medicare to fund further tax cuts for the 1% is just not a viable plan I'm afraid.
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That's fine. A lot of us on the Right don't see voting as the proper means for changing the system anyway. If we have no say in the process it just makes it easier to recruit disillusioned souls to the cause. Always need cannon fodder when you go into battle.
 
liblady said:
....the type of country you want to live in does not exist and i hope it never does again.
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That's not true Liblady. Somalia is a good example of what Conservatives want to turn America into. You know... poor in the streets fending for themselves. Completely male dominated society. A few very wealthy folks, the rest fighting for the scraps with guns. No infrastructure to speak of. No department of labor. No department of education. etc....
 
Tettsuo said:
That's not true Liblady. Somalia is a good example of what Conservatives want to turn America into. You know... poor in the streets fending for themselves. Completely male dominated society. A few very wealthy folks, the rest fighting for the scraps with guns. No infrastructure to speak of. No department of labor. No department of education. etc....
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No. Somalia is an extreme example of what some Conservatives want to turn America into. My personal preference is something much more akin to Robert Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" world, sans the science fiction technology and alien war.
 
liblady said:
bs. clinton was a good president, period. the jury is still out on obama, but it's looking up, certainly. the type of country you want to live in does not exist and i hope it never does again.
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LOL, what did Clinton do, besides sullying a blue dress and getting impeached?

He sat and took credit for what the first GOP Congress in 40 years accomplished, and he was the lucky president in place when the internet supercharged the economy.
 
AdamT said:
Perhaps, but Rubio is extremely untested. Believe me, he's got a few skeletons in his closet that would come out. And Mexican-Americans won't necessarily fall over for a Cuban American.
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It would be foolish for Rubio to accept the offer if it made.

African-Americans accepted Obama as African-American, why wouldn't Mexican-Americans accept Rubio?
 
Erod said:
And if he selects Rubio as a running mate, it could really change things as well.
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That's what the GOP thought about Palin, and Rubio has a thinner resume.
 
Tigger said:
Thank you for making my point, liblady. Those two individuals have done nothing to right the sinking ship this nation has been since the Lincoln Administration.
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The US had been sinking since the Civil War? I guess that means you want to bring back slavery.
 
Hikertrash said:
The US had been sinking since the Civil War? I guess that means you want to bring back slavery.
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No. Not at all. However, Lincoln did immeasurable harm to this nation with his use of the Constitution as a piece of toilet paper throughout his term in office. We have never been the same since and it's only gotten worse with things like Sufferage, the New Deal, the 1960's, etc....
 
Erod said:
It's damn hard to get people to vote against the welfare check provider.
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Don't forget 4 more years of unemployment checks extension.
 
liblady said:
bill clinton was a moderate, and obama is governing like a moderate.
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Agreed that Clinton governed from the middle after Newt and his thugs regained the house which resulted in Clinton having a sucessful administration. Inspite of his flaws and my change of political views over the years, I did like Clinton. However, I highly disagree that Obama is a moderate that governs from the middle.
 
AdamT said:
Perhaps, but Rubio is extremely untested. Believe me, he's got a few skeletons in his closet that would come out. And Mexican-Americans won't necessarily fall over for a Cuban American.
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Obama has plenty of skeletons in his closet too but the liberal media and many independent voters didn't seem to care in 2008. I think a considerable number of independents won't vote for him again though.

Mexican Americans wouldn't have to vote for Rubio. The two biggest states that could impact the Mexican or Cuban vote are Texas and Florida. Texas is a conservative state now regardless of the Mexican vote and Florida is really a swing state. I see Florida as probably the most important state in the upcoming election. Rubio would swing Florida back to the Republicans.

Polls change because Americans who don't keep up with the political environment change their minds, mostly based on candidate ads bashing the other guy. That's why the guy with the most money usually wins unless you're replacing a Jimmy Carter, G.W. Bush, or... :mrgreen:
 
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I don't know much about Rubio except he co-sponsor sopa. He doesn't seem to be liberty-friendly but that fits right up the ally of social cons.

If Obama wins this election then i'll be looking for Justin Amash, and Tom Davis in 2016. I forgot the others...
 
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Tigger said:
No. Romney needs to do the one thing that would require a miracle of epic proportions..... Convince CONSERVATIVES that he isn't the gutless, disgusting, spineless LIBERAL that he is and has always been. Oh, he'll pick up a bunch of the slightly conservative Republicans if he chooses some loud-mouth quasi-Conservative like Rubio or Bachman, but most of the REAL Conservatives are not going to vote for a Vice-Presidential candidate. Most of us are just going to stay home.
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Actually real conservatives will not stay home and let Obama (who is extremely far left of Romney) win. True conservatives will help the country and get out and vote.

All the Republican candidates have issues, but which one can pull in the most votes and have the broadest appeal to win?
 
danarhea said:
Mitt Romney is claiming momentum for the Republican nomination, but clearly, the results from Super Tuesday show a lack of enthusiasm. Mitt barely won Ohio, and in Virginia, where Gingrich and Santorum were not even running, Ron Paul garnered 40% of the vote in a contest that Romney should have totally run away with.

The results from Super Tuesday clearly show that the Republican party is not going to capture the White House this year, and in the face of that, I have a suggestion to make..... Don't pour all your money into a race you can't win, but pour it into House and Senate races. By holding onto the House and capturing the Senate, you stop EVERYTHING that Obama might attempt, thus making him a lame duck at 12:01AM on the very day he is inaugurated.

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The lack of enthusiasm is due to the GOP establishment pushing Romney through when conservatives do not like him, but those who continue to be tied to the GOP see no other alternative in the POTUS election. We are seeing the same lack of enthusiasm after the convention in 08.

The strategy itself is fine.... dominate the house and take over the senate, neutering Obama just as Clinton was for the last 6 years of his presidency. I don't see it happening though. The GOP establishment is so totally out of line with reality now. I believe that they believe that Romney can beat Obama. It would be a good strategy IF... we had the same type of leadership and overall legislators we had in the late 90s, but we don't.

Perhaps a total ass kicking is what the GOP needs to burn off the dead wood that has become them. The fall out from 2012 will be such a resurgence of the Tea party and of conservatives in general who will either gut and restore the GOP or go on to form a true conservative party. Either way I am fine with. What we have now only continues the U.S. to go down this dead end, one way road. It is likely to be a very bumpy 4 years, even if Romney was to somehow win the election. It's almost better IMO if the GOP gets thoroughly trounced as it will bring about a much needed gutting of the party.
 
Porchev said:
Actually real conservatives will not stay home and let Obama (who is extremely far left of Romney) win. True conservatives will help the country and get out and vote.
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I'll vote. Just not for any of the Republican candidates. IF the party ever actually nominates a Conservative, I'll consider voting for him. Until then, they're no more likely to get my vote than the Democrats.

Porchev said:
All the Republican candidates have issues, but which one can pull in the most votes and have the broadest appeal to win?
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None of them can win. It's that simple. So the question becomes, what portion of their party do they wish to piss off more, the Conservatives or the Moderates?
 
Erod said:
And if he selects Rubio as a running mate, it could really change things as well. Not only does that appeal to Hispanic voters, Rubio is probably the golden child of the Republican party right now, along with Paul Ryan.

Romney needs to convince the GOP that he will take down Obamacare, demontrate his economic knowledge and experience, and pick the right running mate to make this close.
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Rubio is the shot Romney has. And even with him, it is a long shot at best. Rubio will deliver Florida - anything else in terms of some big Hispanic vote is pretty speculative.
 
haymarket said:
Rubio is the shot Romney has. And even with him, it is a long shot at best. Rubio will deliver Florida - anything else in terms of some big Hispanic vote is pretty speculative.
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Who votes for the VP? Exactly how much of a help was Sarah Palin four years ago?..... NONE. The only time voting for a VP is useful is if one thinks the POTUS won't last long in the job. Other than that voting for the VP is utterly stupid.
 
haymarket said:
Rubio is the shot Romney has. And even with him, it is a long shot at best. Rubio will deliver Florida - anything else in terms of some big Hispanic vote is pretty speculative.
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The Rubio vote is the Cuban vote. The rest of the Hispanic population is scared to death of the GOP.
 
danarhea said:
The Rubio vote is the Cuban vote. The rest of the Hispanic population is scared to death of the GOP.
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As they ought to be. The GOP might try to force them to become "Americans of Hispanic Descent" instead of the Hispanic-Americans that they prefer to be. Note the difference in emphasis.
 
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