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2012 lost to the GOP?

AdamT said:
Yep, I was around, and I don't think there many DEMOCRATS saying that ... at all. I think what you mostly had was people who supported Hillary, but who were also happy to support Obama, and Obama supporters, who would have also been happy to support Hillary if she had won. Not universally, of course, but much more so than in the current GOP race.
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I remember quite a few:

 
Given most American's attention span, the general election is almost an infinity of time away.
 
AdamT said:
Oh my, a Youtube video! Check and mate, right? :2rofll:
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This is just one video of angry Hillary supporters. There are dozens more examples.

But I wouldn't expect you to accept anything contrary to your narrow dogma.

Keep drinking the kool-aid. Intellectual honesty is obviously not your forte.
 
apdst said:
oooh, oooh, oooh, I know what their platform is going to be:

"We know that Obamacare is one of the most hated pieces of legislation in history, but if you re-elect us, we're going to keep cramming it right down yr throats, anyway".

Uh, yeah! That'll be a winner! :lamo
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Mitt romney also supports obama/romney national healthcare plan so that won't be an issue in 2012.
 
Refresher course :
THE 1992 CAMPAIGN: Poll; In Poll, Voters Are Unhappy With All the Choices - New York Times

The level of concern about the economy remains remarkably high: 82 percent say it is either "fairly bad" or "very bad." But most Americans seem to feel their anxieties and the Presidential campaign are disconnected. Sixty-four percent said they did not think any candidates "really understand what everyday life is like for people like yourself." When asked what they wished the candidates understood, most cited their economic problems.
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99percenter said:
Mitt romney also supports obama/romney national healthcare plan so that won't be an issue in 2012.
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Right, that's why he's pledged to repeal it as soon as he takes office. :roll:
 
Gill said:
This is just one video of angry Hillary supporters. There are dozens more examples.

But I wouldn't expect you to accept anything contrary to your narrow dogma.

Keep drinking the kool-aid. Intellectual honesty is obviously not your forte.
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Right, and I could post an equal number of dimwitted Youtube videos PROVING that the Tea Party is racist. I'm sure you'd accept that as conclusive. :roll:

Now, why don't you show me some links where the Democrats were constantly trying to lure new candidates into the race because they were so unhappy with Obama and Hillary? Show me the stories where Democrats were hoping for a brokered convention so they could bring in someone new.
 
apdst said:
Wishful thinking. Were you awake during the midterms?
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You do understand that mid=term elections rarely predict anything as far as Democrats are concerned. I'd suggest you look at the 1994 mid terms and the 1996 Presidential election as a comparison. Casual voters are far more likely to vote in a Presidential, and casual voters tend to vote Democratic.
 
Gill said:
Couldn't be further from the truth. Clinton and Obama fought just as dirty a campaign as any of the Republicans have this year. Bill Clinton even got into trouble with some of his comments.

Obama won just 100 more delegates than Clinton, or 51% to 49%. Appears they were split down the middle to me.
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Simply not true. Clinton and Obama had no major policy differences.
 
Gill said:
This is just one video of angry Hillary supporters. There are dozens more examples.

But I wouldn't expect you to accept anything contrary to your narrow dogma.

Keep drinking the kool-aid. Intellectual honesty is obviously not your forte.
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Dozens of examples? God, no wonder Obama only won the General election by 10 million popular votes and 190 electoral votes. Dozens! Wow!
 
The conservatives declared "victory" in the 2012 Presidential Election 2 years ago and are now reverting into a state of denial as the reality of the Primaries is setting in.

Their only logical choice has always been Romney - when you have Democrats in Michigan voting for Santorum, the political message can't get more obvious than that!

Since 75% of the GOP consider him too liberal, Romney has already become a "wounded" candidate even if he should get the nomination.
 
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Wiggen said:
You do understand that mid=term elections rarely predict anything as far as Democrats are concerned. I'd suggest you look at the 1994 mid terms and the 1996 Presidential election as a comparison. Casual voters are far more likely to vote in a Presidential, and casual voters tend to vote Democratic.
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Gonna go there huh. Ok, please tell me if you think that Obama would sign a welfare reform bill if it were placed in front of him. Because I do not. There is your difference, Clinton tacked towards the center and Obama is all over the map but domestically trends left more often than not. Foreign policy you could say he leans more towards the middle but domestic issues are going to dominate this campaign cycle. On Domestic issues hes definitely leaning hard left.
 
It is my belief that the GOP convention will be broker and Jeb Bush will be the GOP Presidential Candidate. I think it is highly likely that that has been the intent of the powers that be from the beginning and everything is going exactly as planned. All the GOP candidates along the way have been useful idiots, idiots to be sure. Most, likely all, have no idea they've been chomped, used from the very beginning.

The US and especially Republicans are weary of the entire campaign process. They can't believe it is coming down to the wire and they're left with two idiots. But in looking back they are amazed that there were so many idiots in the race to start with. Most conservatives are despondent over their choice that is the evil of two lessers. They don't want to vote for either one, but they have no choice...until right on schedule Jeb Bush appears as a shining light to weary conservatives. It wouldn't have worked on the front end. The powers that be knew that and so they covertly encouraged suckers, dummies and fools to run for president knowing that at the right moment yet another Bush would appear at a brokered convention where the people could be circumvented.

Possible? Totally.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Gonna go there huh. Ok, please tell me if you think that Obama would sign a welfare reform bill if it were placed in front of him. Because I do not. There is your difference, Clinton tacked towards the center and Obama is all over the map but domestically trends left more often than not. Foreign policy you could say he leans more towards the middle but domestic issues are going to dominate this campaign cycle. On Domestic issues hes definitely leaning hard left.
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Clinton increased taxes significantly. Obama has said that he does not want to reimpose the Clinton tax hikes for the poor and middle class -- mich makes him more conservative than Clinton.
 
AdamT said:
Clinton increased taxes significantly. Obama has said that he does not want to reimpose the Clinton tax hikes for the poor and middle class -- mich makes him more conservative than Clinton.
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Time frame is important. The tax increase was passed in 93, in 94 Republicans took control of the legislature, in 95 and 96 Clinton was tacking hard to the right.

Obama is not tacking to the right. His want to shelter the bottom income earners from from tax hikes is a play to voters that ought to already be his base. If Obama were tacking to the right 3 items would not be of importance on this board : the contraception issue, keystone XL, and "fair" share. All three of those issues have come to the forefront because Obama's liberal positions on all of them or they wouldnt be issues.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Gonna go there huh. Ok, please tell me if you think that Obama would sign a welfare reform bill if it were placed in front of him. Because I do not. There is your difference, Clinton tacked towards the center and Obama is all over the map but domestically trends left more often than not. Foreign policy you could say he leans more towards the middle but domestic issues are going to dominate this campaign cycle. On Domestic issues hes definitely leaning hard left.
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Hard left. O really. So when it came time to pass health care reform why did he pass a give a way to private insurers instead of single payer. An idea that the heritage foundation came up with and mitt romney championed in Massachusetts. Obama's health care plan is to the right of nixon's idea.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Time frame is important. The tax increase was passed in 93, in 94 Republicans took control of the legislature, in 95 and 96 Clinton was tacking hard to the right.

Obama is not tacking to the right. His want to shelter the bottom income earners from from tax hikes is a play to voters that ought to already be his base. If Obama were tacking to the right 3 items would not be of importance on this board : the contraception issue, keystone XL, and "fair" share. All three of those issues have come to the forefront because Obama's liberal positions on all of them or they wouldnt be issues.
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Obama is not a liberal. he is to the right on key issues important to liberals like health care, gay rights, etc.
 
tessaesque said:
Real polling numbers:

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

RealClearPolitics - President Obama vs. Republican Candidates

If you're going to site poll numbers, Pete, you should make sure they're accurate.
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Those polling numbers are meaningless. The US votes by state and unless you have those numbers you have an empty cup. Just because someone has 51% in a national pole doesn't make them a winner. You need the electoral votes and that number comes from each state. Use the correct poles that give actual information instead of nonsense that is meaningless if you intend to make a point.

You should make sure you use poles that have a real meaning.

If you recall McCain looked pretty good in the national poles and got his ass kicked on election night because of the electoral college.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
Those polling numbers are meaningless. The US votes by state and unless you have those numbers you have an empty cup. Just because someone has 51% in a national pole doesn't make them a winner. You need the electoral votes and that number comes from each state. Use the correct poles that give actual information instead of nonsense that is meaningless if you intend to make a point.

You should make sure you use poles that have a real meaning.

If you recall McCain looked pretty good in the national poles and got his ass kicked on election night because of the electoral college.
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Why would anyone vote for four more years of results worse than when he took office. Apparently more and more are realizing that

Obama Approval Above 50% in 10 States and D.C. in 2011
 
jgarden47 said:
Since 75% of the GOP consider him too liberal, Romney has already become a "wounded" candidate even if he should get the nomination.
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That's why we need a brokered convention. We need them to give the nomination to someone not currently running.
 
johnny_rebson said:
That's why we need a brokered convention. We need them to give the nomination to someone not currently running.
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Colbert did a great section on that, the days left before the GOP conservatives must start to love Mitt Romney :lamo
 
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