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Santorum: Obama Agenda Not 'Based on Bible'

OpportunityCost said:
So its ok for Obama to bring up religion TWICE but Santorum cant respond at all? What kind of ****ed up standard is that?
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exactly. this isn't about reason or facts. it's about attempting to create the narrative.
 
cpwill said:
exactly. this isn't about reason or facts. it's about attempting to create the narrative.
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And for four years the GOP far-right has been trying to paint Obama as the other, the foreigner, the anti-religeous, anti-gun liberal.

This is the ultimate propaganda fail because they strayed so far away from the truth.
 
Santorum: Obama Agenda Not 'Based on Bible'

By what authority did Rick Santorum place himself in God's "Judgement Seat" assuming himself qualified to determine who is and who isn't a Christian in good standing in American politics?

Was Romney AWOL those days when his RC religious education should have made him aware of those verses in Scripture admonishing Christians not to pass judgment on others?
 
jgarden47 said:
Santorum: Obama Agenda Not 'Based on Bible'

By what authority did Rick Santorum place himself in God's "Judgement Seat" assuming himself qualified to determine who is and who isn't a Christian in good standing in American politics?

Was Romney AWOL those days when his RC religious education should have made him aware of those verses in Scripture admonishing Christians not to pass judgment on others?
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The bible is the one trump card you can throw down get Evangelicals to do just about anything. But to use it properly you have to be an expert at cherry-picking scripture and delicately placing into the context of your argument.
 
hazlnut said:
Either you don't know much about the history of the bible and the old testament or you were not aware of Santorum's positions on homosexuality.
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Does it mention keeping an aspirin between the legs? Oh no....wait....that's only for women, right?
 
hazlnut said:
And for four years the GOP far-right has been trying to paint Obama as the other, the foreigner, the anti-religeous, anti-gun liberal.

This is the ultimate propaganda fail because they strayed so far away from the truth.
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YOu forgot believing him to be the ant-Christ. My personal favorite.
 
Biblical verses admonishing Christians from passing judgment on others!

How could any Christian with even the most basic religious education miss such an important theme throughout the Bible?

How could an individual like Rick Santorum, who prodes himself as the "standard bearer" of traditional Christian values in American politics, be so totally lacking in his religious education?

The answer is that Santorum is more like the chief priests and Pharisees who sat in judgment of Jesus before his death - more concerned about the letter of the law that the spirit of the Gospel.
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Matthew 12:36-37 - I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Matthew 7:1-5 - “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Luke 6:37 - “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

John 7:24 - Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

James 4:11-12 - Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Romans 2:1-3 -Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

Ephesians 4:29 -Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Matthew 7:5 - You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Romans 14:1-13 -As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...

John 8:7 - And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

Luke 6:31 - And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Matthew 6:14-15 -For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

2 Corinthians 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

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Proverbs 31:9

Galatians 5:14

Luke 6:37-42

1 Corinthians 13:1-8

Romans 14:1

Romans 2:3

1 Corinthians 2:15

Matthew 7:1-6

Galatians 6:1

James 1:26

Romans 12:16-19

Titus 3:2-7

Galatians 6:1-6

Isaiah 11:3

Galatians 5:22-6:5

1 John 3:17

1 Corinthians 6:1-6

Psalm 1:1-6

1 Peter 3:8-12

James 1:19-22

John 3:16-17

Leviticus 19:15

Matthew 6:33

1 Peter 4:8-9

Titus 2:11-15 .

Romans 12:20-21

Matthew 7:12

1 Peter 2:1-4

2 Timothy 2:24-26

2 Timothy 2:21-23

Psalm 15:1-5

1 John 4:11-12

James 3:17

Matthew 7:15

Isaiah 53:1-12

1 John 4:1-3

Hebrews 4:12 .

1 Thessalonians 5:12-16

1 Corinthians 5:12-13

Romans 12:9-11

2 Timothy 3:5-6

Philippians 2:1-4

2 Peter 1:5-7

2 Timothy 3:14-17

1 John 4:7-10

2 Timothy 1:14

Ephesians 4:1-6

Romans 12:13-15

James 5:16

Hebrews 10:25

Colossians 3:12-15

Luke 18:10-14

2 Peter 3:18

Ezekiel 22:2

2 Peter 1:8-10

James 1:25

2 Thessalonians 3:13

John 13:1-21:25

Matthew 9:11

2 Peter 2:9

James 5:19-20

1 Corinthians 5:1-3

Matthew 18:15-17

Isaiah 1:1-31

1 Samuel 16:7

1 Peter 3:13

Isaiah 53:1-6

Psalm 35:1-28

1 Corinthians 5:12

Psalm 18:1-50

John 5:24
 
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Well at least Santorum makes things easy. It's so much better when lunatics don't even bother to hide.
 
hazlnut said:
The bible is the one trump card you can throw down get Evangelicals to do just about anything. But to use it properly you have to be an expert at cherry-picking scripture and delicately placing into the context of your argument.
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And this is how different and new denominations are born.
 
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jgarden47 said:
Biblical verses admonishing Christians from passing judgment on others!

How could any Christian with even the most basic religious education miss such an important theme throughout the Bible?

How could an individual like Rick Santorum, who prodes himself as the "standard bearer" of traditional Christian values in American politics, be so totally lacking in his religious education?
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My guess is he lusts for power.

His ego was bruised when he was kicked to the curb by the voters of his state--they didn't get him. Now, like Newt, he's out for redemption.

That's the remaining GOP field.

1 guy who say whatever it takes to please everyone--a super-big tent GOP GQ cover.

2 guys out to prove they were (once) right--worse case, they'll right books called, See, I told you so.

1 guy who says whatever he thinks and is content to have a devoted by relatively small following--remember Wally George?
 
I'm gathering that the liberals on this thread don't like Santorum attacking Obama...
 
obvious Child said:
Fixed. You can thank me at your leisure.
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That is blatant censoring of free speech and altering free speech. Very Un-American and I challenge you to justify your actions!
 
Awesome! said:
I'm gathering that the liberals on this thread don't like Santorum attacking Obama...
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Wrong.

The 'liberals' love this kind of attack because it only pushes moderates and independents away from the GOP.

I posted the OP because I'm disappointed in what has happened to the party of Lincoln. I would sit up and listen to any fiscal conservative with thoughtful pragmatic solutions on how to pay down the debt and fix medicare and healthcare in general. But don't waste my time with the social-Con-evangelical agenda. Let the states enacted laws on these matters and then allow them to be tested by the courts. That's how the system is supposed to work. States can do whatever they want within the framework of the U.S. Constitution & Bill of Rights. If a state overreaches, then the Federal courts can make an adjustment. That includes ballot measures.

I fully support cutting unnecessary spending and waste.

But I also believe our national character is defined by how we deal with the poor and disenfranchised as well as how we educated our children. WE being the operative word.

I, like the overwhelming majority of Americans, am looking for workable and pragmatic solutions and basic fairness. By 'fairness' I don't mean boo-hiss wall street; I mean no person or group should be allowed to take advantage of the rules and 'work' the system.
 
I'm still waiting for conservatives to try and defend what gives Santorum the religious authority to decide who is or is not very Christian?
 
TheNextEra said:
I'm still waiting for conservatives to try and defend what gives Santorum the religious authority to decide who is or is not very Christian?
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I'm still waiting to find out why anyone gives a flying (bleep!) whether the president is "very Christian", or whether he is just a little bit Christian, or whether he is Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, or whatever.
 
hazlnut said:
Wrong.

The 'liberals' love this kind of attack because it only pushes moderates and independents away from the GOP.

I posted the OP because I'm disappointed in what has happened to the party of Lincoln. I would sit up and listen to any fiscal conservative with thoughtful pragmatic solutions on how to pay down the debt and fix medicare and healthcare in general. But don't waste my time with the social-Con-evangelical agenda. Let the states enacted laws on these matters and then allow them to be tested by the courts. That's how the system is supposed to work. States can do whatever they want within the framework of the U.S. Constitution & Bill of Rights. If a state overreaches, then the Federal courts can make an adjustment. That includes ballot measures.

I fully support cutting unnecessary spending and waste.

But I also believe our national character is defined by how we deal with the poor and disenfranchised as well as how we educated our children. WE being the operative word.

I, like the overwhelming majority of Americans, am looking for workable and pragmatic solutions and basic fairness. By 'fairness' I don't mean boo-hiss wall street; I mean no person or group should be allowed to take advantage of the rules and 'work' the system.
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This unnecessary spending and waste is the core of the problem. A corrupt Fed and Federal Courts that have too much power. If a Social Con black and white Catholic like Santorum is willing to take on this overreaching Fed, then so be it. Realize though that his anti-abortion stance will never appeal to a liberal or leftist agenda though.

Maybe you could name a fiscal conservative you would sit up and listen too?
 
TheNextEra said:
I'm still waiting for conservatives to try and defend what gives Santorum the religious authority to decide who is or is not very Christian?
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You should have heard Billy Graham's son this morning. His pat answer over and over was "You'll have to ask Obama if he's a Christian." He talked in circles for ten minutes, implying that that it was okay to question Obama's faith, but never coming out and saying what he thought. Then, when asked about Gingrich. "Newt's a Christian." There was an audible cough-laugh from off-screen, Donny Deutsch maybe?
 
i'm just dumbfounded that some higher-thinking individuals on this forum can't understand what he meant to say.

You don't have to LIKE Santorum (I don't) but it's quite clear that he wasn't using 'theology' in a biblical sense. . . I think the term 'theory' would have been *much better*
 
Awesome! said:
This unnecessary spending and waste is the core of the problem. A corrupt Fed and Federal Courts that have too much power.
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Before you go into how Santorum can fix that, prove that what you're saying is real.

Prove to me the Fed is Corrupt.

Prove to me the federal courts are broken.

I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories on this, but nothing substantial.
 
hazlnut said:
Before you go into how Santorum can fix that, prove that what you're saying is real.

Prove to me the Fed is Corrupt.

Prove to me the federal courts are broken.

I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories on this, but nothing substantial.
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I'm not saying Santorum is the solution...Heck, I don't know if anyone can fix the problem, or if they genuinely attempted to do it, our streets would be filled in every city like Athens.

Answer me this: How come a lot of large corp. got bailouts and us small businesses didn't? How come Solyndra lost taxpayers half a billion? Our overreaching Fed is in bed with special interests and not the average American. If this isn't corruption, I don't know what is??? When States need to fight for their State rights, like with NHC, we have a serious problem. States have been losing their rights from an overreaching Fed for a very long time. If you disagree and think the Fed's track record has been good, then fine, so be it, more power to you. Entitlement nation away...

Can you please confirm what fiscal conservative you would sit up and listen to though?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
i'm just dumbfounded that some higher-thinking individuals on this forum can't understand what he meant to say.

You don't have to LIKE Santorum (I don't) but it's quite clear that he wasn't using 'theology' in a biblical sense. . . I think the term 'theory' would have been *much better*
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What's perfectly clear is that Santorum's view on global warming (like so many things) is highly affected by his religious beliefs. Accordingly he would govern according to his religious beliefs.
 
AdamT said:
What's perfectly clear is that Santorum's view on global warming (like so many things) is highly affected by his religious beliefs.
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Most Americans want their president to be a religious man with morals. Then there are the liberal Democrats who cheer when their president gets a little on the side.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Most Americans want their president to be a religious man with morals. Then there are the liberal Democrats who cheer when their president gets a little on the side.
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Religious does not equal morals, as we've seen time and tme again. Of course I want our president to be moral. And of course I don't want him predicating his policies on a 2000-year-old work of fiction.
 
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